This is a really bad constraint that will impact most users, and all of those who invested in PS5 DE.
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Apparently you can't store PS5 games on an external HDD at launch - Push Square, Gamespot
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Idk. I think this has been a great couple weeks of game news.
People generally like the OS of these consoles.
We are seeing massive load time increases for games.
BC implementation seems great including the performance gains you mentioned.
There's some strong launch games.
People are really digging the dualsense.
I don't really think learning that a feature is missing one week away or three weeks away makes much of a difference, really.
PS5 has a number of things that will be improving post launch. This includes 3d Audio for TV, SSD expansion opportunities, and more.
Putting things into perspective, in just a matter of days these new consoles will be available. They will be fast and with some great games to play. And there's more features and services coming soon.
I don't know. I just don't see any of this news as anywhere near a net negative. Especially when comparing to the past. When Microsoft was doing a massively staggered launch to only 13 countries last gen. Across the board, everything in terms of features, quantity of system stock, games, and more is just so much better compared to last gen. But it doesn't come without some growing pains.
Most users? I dunno many people who store games on external USBs save for enthusiast. Most casual gamers I know just delete and reinstall whenever they want to play again.
This is big news for me. I actually bought a 14TB external HDD in anticipation of the PS5 cold storage feature (https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-...what-the-capacity-limit-is-for-the-ps5.316312).
Thing is, if everyone buys the console without this feature, Sony will be right to assume that people really don't care and can safely ignore people asking for cold storage, unless they start seeing murmuring on Twitter about people not wanting to buy more games because they don't want to uninstall the ones they have or buy a pricey expansion drive.
I don't think it works that way. Do you think MS thinks it's okay to release a console without any major exclusives because they are going to sell out their initial stock?
PS5 and Xbox will sell out regardless and I'm sure both will change features based on player feedback.
My only complaints remain Sony's messaging (or lack of) on all this. I can absolutely deal with no VRR, no 1440p, no cold storage at launch, no PSVR support on PS5 games, no NVME support at launch etc... but it would have been really nice for Sony to be more upfront and transparent about all of the above.
Heck, how long did it take to get confirmation that the system shipped with an HDMI 2.1 cable (and I never doubted that it would for one second)?
It's really bizarre to me.
I'm eager to get hands on with my PS5. I just ordered a second dual sense an hour ago. The hardware team have put together something amazing. The first party teams have put together a great launch line up. If I was in any of those teams, I'd be pissed at how Sony have mishandled the messaging on exactly what the PS5 is compatible with.
Yeah you are spot on with this and it's crazy that hear this from Sony.
Absolutely.
They're better off getting out in front of stories and being pro active. And even when they need to be reactive, they're slow.
I think their drip info strategy has worked in a lot of respects. But it certainly has had some drawbacks. The right time to mention the lack of these features was alongside other information releases.
But on the aggregate, I still maintain that this has been a great few weeks of game news. Some of the games releasing look really polished and well done. Many of the features seems well implemented. The systems run pretty cool and quiet. Load times are lightning fast.
I think when we look at this gen compared to the early days of last gen, we are off to a much better start.
At least one major PS4 feature didn't make it at launch (suspending games). In the grand scheme of things it was meaningless. Sometimes things just aren't ready and I don't think any large number of people here would support them delaying launch of the system for the sake of cold storage options.
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Most users will never attach an external storage device to their console. Just as they won't upgrade the internal SSD for that matter.
Upgrading your console, in any shape or form, is enthusiasts playground.
Heck I consider myself an enthusiast and have never bought an additional storage device for any console. Ever. I just uninstall/reinstall games, like most people who run into storage issues.
This is actually really, really bad news. The PS5 has very little internal storage space as it is. And at launch, there's no options for SSD expansions as there's no third-party options available on the market. If you can't even use an external USB 3.0 drive to store/shift around games... that's going to be really, really tough.
Yes, that was much more serious, and it also took quite time if I'm not mistaken, but it's a much deeper thing to implement, i would say, than just copying files from an external drive.
We also sometimes forget that covid is a thing, and may have affected some things, so probably they had to focus on what was really needed at launch, and later bring those improvements.
We will see.
After the really great work on hardware, controller, ui, it makes no sense that they just 'forgot' this.
While there may be a few users that will fill that ssd with ps5 games, it is more probable than most will only have a few native ps5 games, and the rest being ps4 patched ones, that can be used from external drives.
It would be a problem in a few months though, when native ps5 libraries start to grow.
If you were planning to buy every PS5 game for the next couple of months, then this is an inconvenience. But I doubt many people were.
You'd be surprised. My cousin, who was 11 or 12 at the time, did not own a computer, was not an enthusiast or anything like that, had an external HDD bought for him to use for XBOX games because of running out of storage. A lot more people, especially children, used that feature than you would expect on the XBOX.
Not true.
Every game that gets updated with a next gen patch will be treated like a PS5 game and will need to be loaded from the SSD. With the huge PS4 libraries most people have, that SSD is simply not going to be big enough for that, let alone factoring in new PS5 games.
Not being able to cold storage PS5 games will be more than an annoyance.
You misunderstand what the patches coming to PS4 titles are doing. They aren't turning them into PS5 titles in the same manner that Series X/S optimized games become Series S/X games. They're removing framerate caps, or increasing maximum dynamic resolutions to allow PS4 games to utilize all the new overhead available to them in BC.
You *can't* patch a PS4 game to turn it into a PS5 one. You can only release an entirely new build as a PS5 game, as we see with Spider-Man and a bunch of other games offering free upgrades.
I think this is grossly oversimplified.
The PS5 has 667GB of usable storage.
Spider-Man: Miles Morales takes up 105GB.
Demon Souls takes up 66GB.
Black Ops Cold War takes up 133GB
Those three by themselves will take up nearly half the internal storage by themselves, and none of them can even be stored on an external device.
That's on top of any PS4 BC games you want to play, which can also be enormous (such as GTA V), as well as the PS+ Collection games, which we don't know about for sizes just yet. But Bloodborne takes up 99GB, Ghost of Tsushima another 50... Which presumably also can't be moved to the external storage. Though it depends whether they count as PS4 or PS5 games, could be the latter but just patched to remove framerate caps etc.
This is going to be an issue for most PS5 users at launch imo
Never has there been a PlayStation digital console expected to sell at least 30% of the market share.
All of those PS4 games can be run from your external storage. Which you must have if you were planning to move PS5 games onto it.
So there's no point in pre-ordering Spidey (digital) for the PS5, as I can't download it until the console arrives any way? And, even then, I'll have to wait until it's bloody downloaded? Here I was hoping that I could pre-load on my hdd and just connect it straight up and transfer to the PS5 internal.
Today doesn't seem like a good day for Sony...
Today doesn't seem like a good day for Sony...
hopefully they patch this in through a firmware update before long, not being able to use externals for cold storage is definitely not a good look by Sony
Not having second SSD support at launch is understandable....but this....this is a problem. Hope we get a day one patch that resolves this.
You can run ps4 games on external storage at least. Which is what i will do. Use the nvme for only ps5 games.
Not only buy all games, but also switch between every single one of them. Most people finish a single player game before moving on to the next. It's the multi player games that are more of a permanent install. And only the MP part of the install as we expect more segmented games next gen.
If I remember correctly the PS4 was missing a lot of features from the PS3 OS when it launched too.
In order to see the reductions in load times, etc., do PS4 games need to be installed on the SSD or are there improvements playing them from external HDDs?
That would only be true is Sony had made the position known previously. Sadly, like much with the PS5, Sony was slow/negligent in providing information.
I was planning to get Miles Morales Ultimate Edition, Sackboy Adventures, Call of Duty, Dirt 5, and Demon's Souls right away. Add in the free Bugsnax, and Destruction AllStars, and the storage is feeling awfully full already.
Ha, well damn, you're going to be doing a lot of managing for these games when it comes to storage.
It's coming in February which really isn't all that far away. The point stands that the available storage is going to feel tight pretty quickly.
You can neither use internal SSDs nor external HDDS. What are we suppsoed to do? Get pricy external SSDS that can't be used to play PS5 games directly from there, Problem isn't solved either.
I hope they fix all those problems by launch and have a firmware update to solve the problems.
I hope they fix all those problems by launch and have a firmware update to solve the problems.
I'm sure the patch allowing cold storage isn't far away either. I'd say 50:50 that it's out before Destruction AllStars, but I'll gladly take the L if that doesn't come to pass.
I don't think that's a safe assumption. It took Sony how long to implement external storage on the PS4? We have no idea where this is on the priority list for Sony and on their roadmap for firmware updates. I'm sure it will come, but I'm not sure it will be timely. I'm sure people assumed Netflix would be on the Switch shortly too and we're still waiting years later.
I think the more games they release the higher priority it becomes. They'll likely have metrics telling them exactly how full everyone's storage is. At launch... it's way less important than it'll be after a few months. Same for additional NVME. The large majority of people are unlikely to start bumping into storage limits for at least a few months.
Do people really think they let outlets review this thing with the external storage situation as is and just drop an update at launch that will enable using external storage for PS5 games without telling outlets at all?
sorry but thats wishful thinking...we can be lucky if there will be the option at all sometimes in the future, which i don´t believe
they will push people to buy expensive certified internal SSDs, just wait and see.
I think the downplaying of the limitation isn't fair either. When Resetera, as a generalized entity, constantly comments on storage limitations and it's well known that less than 1tb storage for a new console is already very lackluster and concerning...pretending that people's disappointment and grievance is unwarranted is unnecessary defense of a company that not only could have fixed this very likely issue, they were deliberately silent on details. The lack of this option is a disservice to their customer base and something that, for the life of me, I cannot understand.