Apex New Battle Pass Is Broken and It Needs To Be Adressed

Star-Lord · Nov 5, 2020

Hello all,
Season 7 started and while I love most additions the modification to the battle pass is a step backwards.
This is a screen of some of the daily challenges.

Now take in you need 10 stars to level up the battlepass. For surviving for 75 minutes you get only 3 out of the 10 to level up the battle pass only once! Some people have said it's taken over 4-5 hours to level up the battle pass to level 3. Take in as well, there is still over 100 levels in the battle pass. Reddit has expressed concern and so has the apex thread here but I wanted to make others aware. This is unacceptable the battle pass system was fine before and this made it much worse and seems like another way to dime you to pay for levels.

If you have any other examples of your challenges post them here.

WhoaIsThatMars · Nov 5, 2020

I was thinking it was taking way longer than before too. I think I only went up one level after two-three hours of play.

Normally, I'd easily hit level 80-85 without seeking out challenges and then do them to finish off the pass. I'd average at least a couple tiers a day. This star system is garbage imo

hydruxo · Nov 5, 2020

They just tweeted about it:

AllMight1 · Nov 5, 2020

It's getting slower to rank up as more seasons pass.
I used to be able to get really high just playing casually alone.
obviously they want you to play as much as you can with these challenges.
Disgusting? Yes

ghostcrew · Nov 5, 2020

Game seems broken honestly. My first match on the new map nobody could hurt each other. Just ran around forever until everyone got bored and slowly quit.

Nice way of exploring the map though!

Edit: I am idiot

WhoaIsThatMars · Nov 5, 2020

Oh wow lol

Noah Om · Nov 5, 2020

One of the best updates Apex has had, and in my opinion the best Battle Pass CONTENT they've had in awhile. But these battle pass changes are abysmal.

Some of my challenges:
-1250 pistol damage (1 star)
-20 respawns (5 stars)
-Survive 75 minutes (3 stars)

Additionally, they've made it so that you have to earn 100,000 XP just to go up ONE level in the pass. It used to be that you could go up FOUR levels per week with 90,000 xp. And an additional two per week by earning roughly 100,000 xp more.

These are incredibly unfair to the casual player. I played a total of about eight hours since the update dropped, and am just now level six in the pass. Three of those levels came from grinding the weekly challenges that grant you a full level.

Sou Da · Nov 5, 2020

ghostcrew said:
Game seems broken honestly. My first match on the new map nobody could hurt each other. Just ran around forever until everyone got bored and slowly quit.

Nice way of exploring the map though!

You queued up for the game mode that let's you explore.

BananasWithGuns · Nov 5, 2020

hydruxo said:
They just tweeted about it:

It's like they had this response on waiting, exactly as was predicted. Ship something horrendous so your mediocre changes look amazing.

Deleted member 27471 · Nov 5, 2020

ghostcrew said:
Game seems broken honestly. My first match on the new map nobody could hurt each other. Just ran around forever until everyone got bored and slowly quit.

Nice way of exploring the map though!

You were in the explorer mode.

Blanquito · Nov 5, 2020

ghostcrew said:
Game seems broken honestly. My first match on the new map nobody could hurt each other. Just ran around forever until everyone got bored and slowly quit.

Nice way of exploring the map though!

You queued up for the exploration mode - they intentionally did that so you could explore the new map without worrying about dying. It's a limited time thing

ghostcrew · Nov 5, 2020

CG Amor said:
Thats because you were in the explorer mode.

Ohhhhhhh

I just clicked on whatever mode it defaulted me to. Wild.

WindsHowling · Nov 5, 2020

The rewards for this season's Battle Pass are absolute trash on top of that.

Noah Om · Nov 5, 2020

Lol, that tweet dropped almost as soon as this thread was made. I guess we can all credit OP for Respawn's decision. :p

FusionNY · Nov 5, 2020

I got to 103 in season 6. I'd probably get to 40 if I played the same amount.

hydruxo said:
They just tweeted about it:

Not good enough. This would still be impossible to get anywhere near completion without spending money.

AwShucks · Nov 5, 2020

This is not enough. The daily challenges and still absurd and 50k experience for a single level is much higher on average than before.

McStickenstein · Nov 5, 2020

FusionNY said:
Not good enough. This would still be impossible to get anywhere near completion without spending money.

And that's the whole point, for you to spend money.

Rickenslacker · Nov 5, 2020

WhoaIsThatMars said:
Oh wow lol

Yeah, people have predicted that they're just planning on "listening to feedback" that changes into something that's still worse than before. Do better, Respawn.

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 5, 2020

This is some classic EA bullshit lol

SirKai · Nov 5, 2020

I knew this new format was going to be trouble, and these changes don't seem like enough. 54k EXP in the old system, without challenges at all, is enough to get 3 BP levels a week. Now 50k EXP is enough for ONE BP level period. That sucks.

I'll wait to see how they make the weekly challenges easier but I'm not optimistic. I loved the BP structure since Season 2 because playing even 50-60 hours in a season is enough (like 5-ish hours a week or less) to get 110 without even REALLY worrying about playing around challenges that much. Shit, I barely played Season 6 (under 300 matches) and I still got to Lvl 94.

FusionNY · Nov 5, 2020

McStickenstein said:
And that's the whole point, for you to spend money.

Absolutely. EA or Respawn absolutely knew how bad these changes would be. This is pure greed.

WhoaIsThatMars · Nov 5, 2020

You know what didn't help? Going from double XP to this absolute slog of a system lol

Facism · Nov 5, 2020

WhoaIsThatMars said:
Oh wow lol

Cheers for anchoring and still taking the piss at the same time.

ApeEscaper · Nov 5, 2020

Respawn knows what's they're doing I'm sure they knew this backlash would happen, many people unhappy still apex legends subreddit

Star-Lord · Nov 5, 2020

Noah Om said:
Lol, that tweet dropped almost as soon as this thread was made. I guess we can all credit OP for Respawn's decision. :p

WhoaIsThatMars · Nov 5, 2020

I'm hoping this will go like Fortnite did when they tried to make progression incredibly slow, there was backlash, and now they basically hold your hand to the last tier.

CoD's battle pass has always been the worst imo due to the incredibly short season's.

Chucker · Nov 5, 2020

Just lose the stars. That's it.

Noah Om · Nov 5, 2020

Appreciate the quick fix. Definitely a step in the right direction, but still not enough. These daily challenges need to be adjusted in difficulty. They need to be much more achievable and not take up to four hours to complete.

Saucycarpdog · Nov 5, 2020

So they updated the battle pass system to slow progression?

Sounds like an EA game.

Facism · Nov 5, 2020

Saucycarpdog said:
So they updated the battle pass system to slow progression?

Sounds like an EA game.

not only did they make it grindy, the kneecapped non-ranked with them. Half my games are guys dropping solo to finish dumb crafting, bin-opening, shield-evolving daily challenges instead of playing the game.

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 5, 2020

Why not stick to the XP system, it worked perfectly.

Heel · Nov 5, 2020

The bigger problem is the challenges no longer give you options to use different legends and weapons to complete them as they did previously. Forcing players to use specific ones to complete the Battle Pass in the name of "encouraging different playstyles" is pretty bad, IMO.

FusionNY · Nov 5, 2020

NarohDethan said:
Why not stick to the XP system, it worked perfectly.

Can't force people to spend money that way :/

nss · Nov 5, 2020

hydruxo said:
They just tweeted about it:

This is still far too much of an increase. It went from the first 54,000 XP in a week netting you 3 levels, to now after this reduction every 50,000 XP netting you 1 level.

It's so absurdly grinding and such a turn off.

BioDigital Jazzman · Nov 5, 2020

This is the gears 5 system and I hate it. Basically it's just by challenges and not actually playing the game normally

Saucycarpdog · Nov 5, 2020

BioDigital Jazzman said:
This is the gears 5 system and I hate it. Basically it's just by challenges and not actually playing the game normally

So only daily and weekly challenges can level you up?

How many levels could you theoretically get through in a week assuming you did all the challenges?

Snake__ · Nov 5, 2020

Thats crazy
Apex already had by far the worst battle pass of the big battle royale games

WhoaIsThatMars · Nov 5, 2020

I suggest reading through some of the dev replies on Reddit. I think they'll get it right sooner rather than later: https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegend...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Alek · Nov 5, 2020

Doesn't seem so bad too me. It should get faster over time as all of the weeklies become available. People are just upset that they can't max out their season pass in 30 days with 90 to spare.

Every previous season, I finished the pass within the first month, and then had no rewards to play for. The changes seek to address that.

Ryuhza · Nov 5, 2020

hydruxo said:
They just tweeted about it:

1) Make it engaging for the entire length of the season

I hate this in Battle Passes. Engaging for who? People who only play one game and can play for several hours every day? It's just another way to push folks to purchase levels, or else fork over your time running from that FOMO.

Smash-It Stan · Nov 5, 2020

I feel like its been this way for a few seasons now, Apex has always been VERY heavy on the cosmetics and FOMO.

Garrett 2U · Nov 5, 2020

hydruxo said:
They just tweeted about it:

Make it engaging for the whole season? AKA make it take like 3x the amount of time to compete.

lucebuce · Nov 5, 2020

This comment from the Comms Director at Respawn is uhh... quite something. At least they're honest lol.

Response from Dev said:
Reddit poster asking question said:

I'm mostly puzzled as to why you thought the system needed change to begin with. What about the old system was confusing for players? The new UI for tracking challenges is better but everything else about the changes seems designed to make players spend significantly more time per day in order to level the BP.``

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Yeah, you raise good points. I'll add a little insight to it based on the conversations I've been having today.

Your point about the UI being better is mainly what we meant when we talked about simplifying things. We feel like stars are just easier to track than a more inflated currency like CP.

And to your point about the Battle Pass driving you to play more, I see the criticism. Like we said in the linked tweet, we've also been wanting to drive up engagement for the full length of the season. Basically, if people finish the Battle Pass too early in the season, it feels bad for them because they don't have anything to focus on.

But to point the obvious criticism at ourselves, though, if it feels like we're just driving up hours played per day to obnoxious levels, that's definitely us failing to meet our goal of making a system that feels fun and engaging for a whole season. That's why we said we feel like we missed the mark with v1. Hope this explanation makes sense.

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 6, 2020

Spent two hours with the new revision and managed to get 1 level plus 4 stars. Not great.

Deleted member 45414 · Nov 6, 2020

Battle passes has always seemed like the most toxic retention grift ever.

If they can get away with fucking you over, they'll do it with glee.

Noah Om · Nov 6, 2020

Was anyone's dailies adjusted in difficulty/easier than the prior two days? For comparison, some of my dailies today:

-Open 50 Supply Bins (1 star)
-8 Kills/Assists (2 stars)
-Evolve Armor 12 Times (3 stars)

stan_marsh · Nov 6, 2020

Samusaran said:
Respawn knows what's they're doing I'm sure they knew this backlash would happen, many people unhappy still apex legends subreddit

^ this

They fucking know exactly what they are doing. It's a common tactic.

Relic · Nov 6, 2020

" 1) Make it engaging for the entire length of the season
2) Encourage you to try out new Legends and playstyles "
Translation:
1. keep people addicted to our free game as long as possible so they buy more cosmetics, levels, etc.
2. Get you to buy other legends

I played the SHIT out of Apex and can never get to level 110 even before this season. It's brutal if you aren't good at the game and laser focused on challenges.

Tmespe · Nov 6, 2020

They probably saw too many people buying the next battlepass with the coins you get and wanted to make it more difficult.

Z-Brownie · Nov 6, 2020

Tmespe said:
They probably saw too many people buying the next battlepass with the coins you get and wanted to make it more difficult.

if that is the case ... they just lost a "client"

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