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Apex Legends developers spark outrage after calling gamers “dicks”, “ass-hats”and “freeloaders”
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Harassment isn't a legitimate or appropriate response to cosmetic items possibly costing too much in a free to play game. If I was talking about the price of items here it'd be giving credibility to the idea that it is. It isn't.
The topic of the thread is developers responding to gamers by referring to them in a certain way, and what we think of them saying that. I am fine with them saying that because I've seen how gamers act online.
The shitty behavior is the norm.
Every time any dev does something Gamers dont like, a wave of harassment, insults and threats arrive like clockwork.
If you honestly think that isnt the case, you are probably participating in it and dont see it as an issue.
Of course I did, I spent more than 1000 hours in it. And I remember this "event" when they just released a store with microtransactions and that was it.
The community was pissed and after that everything became much better and more fun.
Two industry professionals working for different organisations tell you that hiring psychologists to design monetisation systems is not a thing. Is there more to discuss?
You ever think their army of PhDs told them to release a MTX only event? :P
No one said this. The developers brought up the fact that people are throwing temper tantrums and behaving poorly, and that he remembered a time when people didn't act like asshats like that. If you are not someone throwing temper tantrums or behaving poorly, he never called you an asshat to begin with.
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1. Just because something is happening doesn't mean it's the norm. Obviously death threats and harassment are super loud and stand out. It's a minority of people actually behaving that way, though.
2. Fuck off.
It's always about pushing the envelope. They just thought they already are at a point we will probably "only" be at 4 or 5 years from now. They just miscalculated a bit. Miscalculation is a small price to pay when it's not your decision making ass that gets roasted by the outcome lol
I mean no lies detected here tbh.
People are outraged because skins are too expensive...why does anybody think that's a reasonable stance.
It's like protesting a store in a mall because you think their clothes are too expensive. Instead of, I don't know, not buying them and leaving it at that?
I play Destiny 2 a lot. Like, literally thousands of hours clocked in. If they put a shader or emote on sale tomorrow for US$10 or US$100 or US$10,000, it's never going to be a cause for outrage. Like literally every other product or service in the entire world, it comes down to "is this something I'm willing to pay that much for?" And then you pay or you don't. Take it any further than that into a moral question and you're just being dumb.
People are outraged because skins are too expensive...why does anybody think that's a reasonable stance.
It's like protesting a store in a mall because you think their clothes are too expensive. Instead of, I don't know, not buying them and leaving it at that?
I play Destiny 2 a lot. Like, literally thousands of hours clocked in. If they put a shader or emote on sale tomorrow for US$10 or US$100 or US$10,000, it's never going to be a cause for outrage. Like literally every other product or service in the entire world, it comes down to "is this something I'm willing to pay that much for?" And then you pay or you don't. Take it any further than that into a moral question and you're just being dumb.
In this case PhDs probably would be laughing at this type of monetization :D
People have bigger and better outlets to act like assholes, but pubs/devs have become significantly more predatory in monetization practices and I don't think the two issues are completely divorced.
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there's a big difference between complaining about overpriced microtransactions and personally attacking devs. the video game community as a whole seems to forget there are people behind every game and that these people are very rarely out to get you in some evil money making scheme.
They shouldn't have lowered themselves to the freeloading entitled gamers who foams at the mouth about everything, every day. If the skins are over-priced then don't buy them.
I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be angry at being nickel and dimed. The amount of people defending these predatory practices is astonishing.
They clearly called everyone who doesn't pay up and complains about the pricing model a freeloader. I never said harassing them over that is ok. What I'm saying is that some people here and elsewhere are really eager to conflate every sort of criticism with the worst case assholes to silence the people with reasonable complaints.
It's not unreasonable to find these things problematic, they are.
It's unreaosonanke to attack developers because of it with the kind of language we see far, far too often.
They were the ones who made that ridiculously exploitative skin event, they deserved flak.
I also remember a time when players weren't complete dicks to developers, it was around the same time where developers weren't trying to nickle and dime exploit players every chance they got.
I also remember a time when players weren't complete dicks to developers, it was around the same time where developers weren't trying to nickle and dime exploit players every chance they got.
Can you point out the people doing that? To be fair you may already have but this thread is huge.
You are conflating two different things. They are literally talking about people that don't pay. But, for some reason, people are taking that dev's two separate posts and making it up to be one thing.
You could also just answer me, preferably without selective quoting.
It's good we only talk about games here and never play 'em amirite
Don't have her name to hand, but she worked on Wildstar and SWTOR as a monetization lead and was hired by ESO/ZOS for the same role. She got a lot of flak from the playerbase when loot boxes were added to ESO after her hiring (something SWTOR had used to generate masses of income).
Here's the kind of job listing companies post for it. It isn't devs and producers experimenting themselves in these cases, but specific monetization departments separate from the game dev team: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news...os_is_hiring_an_ESO_Monetization_Designer.php
Well I guess you are right, actual psychiatrists at least have some integrity and dignity to not do such line of work. What game companies actually hire are these sociopaths with a history of working in casino and other gambling industries, who are also very familiar with psychology in getting people hooked. There are even companies now that specialize in helping game companies implement addictive mechanics models.
What was the question? You want me to specifically define harassment and what qualifies as harassment? I don't know how. Certainly any personal attacks. If you show me an example of behavior I'll tell you whether I consider it harassment.
Don't distract him from discussing gamescom leaks, he said he's not a gamer
Loot boxes and jimquisition videos play in the back of my mind when reading about this thread. I do believe in trying to be respectful when voicing criticism and I know that doesn't happen in a lot of cases. I haven't spent anything on Apex Legends because I find their monetization model to be pretty bad. So I'm a free loader in a system they have control over.
But calling people freeloaders is an insult. They're trying to paint a picture where the developers are generous in providing all this content for free and a huge portion of the player base is taking advantage by not buying MTX. It's a disingenuous argument.
I don't want to start crossthread drama and pointing specific people out to antagonize them is bannable. Let's just say there are some people who defended Respawn's pricing model when this first blew up and are now taking this as an opportunity to call gamers trash and entitled. And they totally not also mean the people who share the same opinion about the issue as the people that happen to harass Respawn.
I guess we've moved on from ethics in journalism to "its about ethics in monetization actually"
Thing is, Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator together with up to $60 a year on content get you 3 massive map packs, game extending DLC, and ~10 skins for every truck in the game. $20 for skins that are artificially rare and lack features other game's $20 skins have without a good cause for it is just seeing how far you can crank up margins which is only good for EA.
Players had always said shit to devs, it's just pushing a widely unliked model by a core gaming audience that only made things worse.