It's more like "That shirt looks great on you! It hides your stomach." It's just a rearranged backhanded compliment. No false equivalencies or bad faith in seeing it as an insult imo.
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Apex Legends developers spark outrage after calling gamers “dicks”, “ass-hats”and “freeloaders”
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It's more like "That shirt looks great on you! It hides your stomach." It's just a rearranged backhanded compliment. No false equivalencies or bad faith in seeing it as an insult imo.
Fortnite doesn't have loot boxes. They have a store where you can see what you can buy and at what price.
The responses to the devs are pretty bad. Most of, if not all of, the usages for dick, ass-hat, and freeloader could be replaced with less inflammatory terms, and no one would bat an eye. The meat of their comments is fine, but in a professional setting, you should know not to use words that are just going to inflame people.
Basically, everyone sucks here: people suck with those replies, community sucks with their replies/response/reactions, and devs suck for lowering themselves to the community's level.
Basically, everyone sucks here: people suck with those replies, community sucks with their replies/response/reactions, and devs suck for lowering themselves to the community's level.
boom. take responsibility for the vitriol you put out there.
The funny part is that this is the exact same kind of shitty behavior people working in retail have to endure.God just reading that thread on reddit is hilarious.
"Hey man! Atleast you don't work in retail. Grow up and learn to endure assholes"
Or you know, the devs should just leave the community.
It's amazing how someone could make the connection to retail and come to the conclusion that the devs should just "suck it up."
I think most sensible people don't care. You can charge $500 a skin for all I care.
I just played yesterday and without spending money got a legendary skin for my char and a weapon. It's not like it's unplayable because of that stuff...
When the game is literally free, I think it's understandable that people might not care the price of a cosmetic purchase, which apparently is what most do. Even if it were $2, I honestly wouldn't buy it.
I see this sort of comment all the time and I don't understand it. Why make such a sweeping, shallow generalization when it's clearly not even close to the truth? On this very forum, I would say most posters qualify as enthusiast gamers, and I'd be willing to be the vast majority of them aren't toxic assholes; and yet you'd have us believe that we're all "kind of garbage." What does that achieve?
apparently they expected a few people to buy them and that lowering the prices would actually mean less revenue since the increase in buyers won't match the decrease in profit.
You might not but I'm pretty confident that Disney manager would.
If you have an ounce of professionalism in your body, you don't respond to your customers like a teenage forum troll.
Nah, they call themselves "not-gamers" while waiting for Death Stranding and thinking which games will be in their top-10 in december.
Adding "teehee but we still love you" does nothing to remove the negative connotation and it just comes across as passive agressive. It's 100% an insult.
Yep.
The people actually *profiting* from such aggressive monetisation are not the ones who get the shit like this from gamers and they defend the indefensible because frankly, they have to.
It puts passionate developers on a collision course with their players and it sucks. Of course the toxicity from people who start verbally assaulting (or worse) Devs for shoddy business practices make things worse too.
It's sad all round and it's normal Devs and gamers who lose out when developers stop listening because of the arseholes while the people who are out to take as much money off us as they can continue to take it in.
I'm not a Disney manager though, and neither are you. It's possible to think something is unprofessional but also completely deserved, and calling a dick a dick is that.
It's pretty crazy their complaint about spend being low when you really think about it.
A) They charged $20 per skin and couldn't get a reasonable number of people to bite.
B) they went back to the drawing board and decided they could extract more cash by preying on people, and offering $7 spins on a slot machine. And then if you pull the wheel 24 times you can spend $35 on the rarest thing in the game.
I don't know. I don't think it's hyperbole calling that scummy.
A) They charged $20 per skin and couldn't get a reasonable number of people to bite.
B) they went back to the drawing board and decided they could extract more cash by preying on people, and offering $7 spins on a slot machine. And then if you pull the wheel 24 times you can spend $35 on the rarest thing in the game.
I don't know. I don't think it's hyperbole calling that scummy.
The quotes and the thread title are not entirely in alignment. I expected much worse, but ended up agreeing with them.
I think the comments about how few people actually pay are really interesting.
I wonder how reliant F2P games are on whales? Like I knew they pay a lot of money, but are they actually reliant on them?
I wonder how reliant F2P games are on whales? Like I knew they pay a lot of money, but are they actually reliant on them?
But if you don't charge money for your br game (like pubg) or have cool avengers skins(like fortnite) don't be surprised that people don't spend money.
You're right, maybe I was giving Respawn PR too much credit, but shade or not it doesn't deserve outrage.
There's genuine community feedback there, I understand because I dropped Apex partly due to the shitty monetisation. But it's become a scene because of misjudged comments that set fire to the ever present mob mentality that pervades the industry. It doesn't deserve be a scene just because of those comments in isolation.
Which I think underscores the scummy nature of the publishers who encourages these monetizaiton scheme and then slink away and let their employees take the hit.
Not doubting the frustration felt by employees but if you work for EA, and your on a forum defending EA there is certainly a conflict of interest there and I've noted a strategy very similar to how those in power deal with protests.
Sit back, wait for 'extreme' elements in the community to do so something outrageous to police (or in this case your employee) and hide behind the outrage to play the victim card. It's a strategy they've tried to employ for years. Often without much success.
It doesn't lessen the reasons and causes for the outrage, but it sure is a conversation changer. It looks like they've had more success this time from scanning the responses in this thread. Shame.
And his comment was not taken by me or others as playful jest so no need to explain to us that it's okay. It's not
People losing their shit at cosmetics skins that dont affect gameplay on a f2p game
The developer doesnt get it, neither do I
You just have to ignore the skin. People are going crazy because they can't buy the optional skin since it's too expensive?
Oh the entitlement
The developer doesnt get it, neither do I
You just have to ignore the skin. People are going crazy because they can't buy the optional skin since it's too expensive?
Oh the entitlement
I haven't been keeping up with the Apex situation, and from what I've glanced at in this thread the monetization model does seem fucked, but that doesn't and never will warrant being a complete shitbag to developers. That being said, this should have been a case in which they just completely disengage from their community and worked on the game (making microtransaction systems that are fairly priced to the extent that people want to engage with/throw money at them) behind the scenes. If your fans are this toxic, just ignore them and improve things while you take whatever cash they'll throw at you. As right as the team is, this is still a bad look and one that didn't need to happen.
I can't stress this enough: the monetization being fucked up for cosmetics in Apex is a Respawn problem, not a player problem. They're the ones losing out if nobody fucking buys it, so there's no need to be a dick.
Or "Respawn devs lash out at player base while defending their addictive, manipulative, overpriced monetization model"
The cherry picking of these singular words 😅 In context they're perfectly fine, and the freeloader comment is a non issue entirely in context. But the outrage must continue!
I haven't been on ERA much in a while. Is the general trend now that the majority tend to take the side of the company over the consumer? Is it common place to accept exploitative pricing models as long as it's cosmetic? Also, is this no longer a gaming forum because many here seem to hate gamers?
I am really confused by the sentiment, and am genuinely wondering if I missed some sort of shift in the collective mindset.
I am really confused by the sentiment, and am genuinely wondering if I missed some sort of shift in the collective mindset.
Gamers: "Oh y'all are crying about being called the n-word and homophobic slurs? LMAO you snowflakes wouldn't have lasted one minute in Xbox Live!"
Also gamers: "OH YOU CALLED ME AN ASSHAT. IT'S HARASSIN' TIME! DEATH THREATS FOR DAYS, BOY. "
This idea that game devs have to be courteous and polite even when their "fans" are being toxic, insulting, and just outright cruel to them needs to be killed. Stop being a gigantic insecure asshole to the human beings that make this game. I get you're unhappy about these cosmetics, but you Gamers have no right to pull the nasty shit you're doing to these folks because of them.
In short, Respawn dev is right, gamers continue to be insecure petty assholes, and the dumpster fire that is "gamer culture" continues to rage.
Also gamers: "OH YOU CALLED ME AN ASSHAT. IT'S HARASSIN' TIME! DEATH THREATS FOR DAYS, BOY. "
This idea that game devs have to be courteous and polite even when their "fans" are being toxic, insulting, and just outright cruel to them needs to be killed. Stop being a gigantic insecure asshole to the human beings that make this game. I get you're unhappy about these cosmetics, but you Gamers have no right to pull the nasty shit you're doing to these folks because of them.
In short, Respawn dev is right, gamers continue to be insecure petty assholes, and the dumpster fire that is "gamer culture" continues to rage.
people in general are trash and entitled.
thats still not how a professional company talks to its customers.
Yes.
(Granted this is five year old I see now, so conversion rate may have improved somewhat)
This "we did research in dropping this price" BS is hilarious. You still have to spend $20 since they dropped the price from $18 to $12 and you have to buy coins in bundles. On top of this, they've only dropped the price on skins that nobody wanted in the first place. And DO NOT COMPARE THE SKINS IN THIS GAME TO FORTNITE. That is a third person game where you always see your character. This is a first person game where you only see your character at the drop, which is maybe 1% of the time you're playing.
I feel like a lot of you don't play either game enough to know the differences, and with the amount of incorrect info ya'll have been saying, it's clear that you don't even know why the community is mad when we've been telling them since day one that they're shop prices suck which all came to a head in this event, but nah, the dev is right and we're all asshats/freeloaders even though I've personally dropped almost $100 into this game which I've vowed to not give them a single penny after this greedy ass event. I was ready to drop around $40 too since the skins looked so cool.
I feel like a lot of you don't play either game enough to know the differences, and with the amount of incorrect info ya'll have been saying, it's clear that you don't even know why the community is mad when we've been telling them since day one that they're shop prices suck which all came to a head in this event, but nah, the dev is right and we're all asshats/freeloaders even though I've personally dropped almost $100 into this game which I've vowed to not give them a single penny after this greedy ass event. I was ready to drop around $40 too since the skins looked so cool.
It's turtles all the way down but the turtles are being ridden by FinDom's who are in turn being ridden by Mr. Monopoly.
Everything was in perfect harmony in Reddit before their pricing model for the event. It came off as a blatant ripoff. Respawn/EA traded on tight rope. Not saying it warranted toxic reactions but its just cause and effect at this point.
They chose their monetization system. No one should feel obligated to donate to multibillion dollar corporations.
1) there weren't any $20 skins during this event, they were in $7 lootboxes
2) kids/whales have to buy them so this game survives and they are getting scammed
3) this new event offers nothing more than these skins and a solo mode which is meh
If you aren't one of the toxic gamers they are talking about, you shouldn't feel offended by that message. I think you can agree that there's a very large group that it does apply to, and saying "only some gamers are garbage" gives that toxic group an opening to believe that it isn't talking about them. Non toxic gamers who just quietly let the toxic behavior of others continue, are just as guilty in my opinion.
I agree. If you look at any businesses and their customer support, companies deal with angry consumers with utter professionalism. What people here demand is that that devs need to be equally aggressive towards their consumers. I think this will never work in the favor of the company.