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The AP is reporting that Mike Pompeo has stated that the U.S should limit which human rights it defends, this has critics assuming that this means stepping away from support for women and the LGBQT communities:

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Pompeo says US should limit which human rights it defends

WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo argued Thursday for a more limited U.S. view of global human rights advocacy based on the principals laid out by America's Founding Fathers, a suggestion critics assumed meant stepping away from more modern concepts such as support for women and the L

WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo argued Thursday for a more limited U.S. view of global human rights advocacy based on the principals laid out by America's Founding Fathers, a suggestion critics assumed meant stepping away from more modern concepts such as support for women and the LGBQT communities around the world.

Pompeo, speaking in Philadelphia, singled out property rights and religious freedom as "foremost" principals in a speech that elsewhere complained about the "proliferation" of protections in international agreements related to human rights.

"We are forced to grapple with tough choices about which rights to promote and how to think about this," he said. "Americans have not only unalienable rights, but also positive rights granted by governments, courts and multilateral bodies. Many are worth defending in light of our founding; others aren't."

Pompeo on Thursday released a report produced by the Commission on Unalienable Rights, which he tasked last year with conducting a broad review of U.S. human rights policy, arguing at the time that it had "lost its bearings."

Pompeo noted that the report emphasizes property rights and religious liberty. "No one can enjoy the pursuit of happiness if you cannot own the fruits of your own labor. And no society can retain its legitimacy or a virtuous character without religious freedom," he said.

The report did not produce any specific recommendations and steered clear of endorsing policy proposals. But experts who parsed it for direction noted, for example, that it referred to abortion and same-sex marriage not as rights but "divisive social and political controversies."

Critics such as Sen. Bob Menendez, the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the report would damage the United States' reputation as a champion of human rights around the world by narrowing the scope of who deserves protection.

"As feared, Secretary Pompeo used his speech to insinuate a hierarchy of rights where property rights and religious liberty are 'foremost' rights and some rights are not 'worth defending,"' said the New Jersey Democrat.

Critics also faulted the makeup of the commission, saying it was weighted with conservatives, and the public did not have sufficient opportunity to weigh in on its findings before the report's release.

"As was clear from the start, Secretary Pompeo's Commission on Unalienable Rights was designed to challenge the international consensus with a narrow view of human rights, that among other things would leave LGBTQ people even more vulnerable to violence and discrimination," said David Stacy, government affairs director of Human Rights Campaign.
 
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Can we have a list with specifics? I dare him.

Pompeo on Thursday released a report produced by the Commission on Unalienable Rights, which he tasked last year with conducting a broad review of U.S. human rights policy, arguing at the time that it had "lost its bearings."

Pompeo noted that the report emphasizes property rights and religious liberty. "No one can enjoy the pursuit of happiness if you cannot own the fruits of your own labor. And no society can retain its legitimacy or a virtuous character without religious freedom," he said.

The report did not produce any specific recommendations and steered clear of endorsing policy proposals. But experts who parsed it for direction noted, for example, that it referred to abortion and same-sex marriage not as rights but "divisive social and political controversies."
 

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It's either what's in the title or an allusion to what's happening in china right now which they are condoning already.
 

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I just assumed he was talking about China, since LGBTQ rights in the States don't really fall under his jurisdiction.
 

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"We are forced to grapple with tough choices about which rights to promote and how to think about this," he said. "Americans have not only unalienable rights, but also positive rights granted by governments, courts and multilateral bodies. Many are worth defending in light of our founding; others aren't."

That made me double take.

You assume Pompeo is talking about other countries, as State Dept does not deal domestically. But at the same time that is a shocking statement to hear a sitting American cabinet official say. Shocking in any other administration but this current one.
 

DanGo

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This man is a fundamentalist piece of shit.

From his WaPo op-ed today:
Never before have America's founding principles been under such relentless assault. For decades, our institutions of higher education have sought to debunk or disown them. Last summer, the New York Times launched the 1619 Project, which contends that the essence of America is entwined with slavery and racism. In recent weeks, justified outrage at the actions of a rogue Minneapolis policeman has given way to outrageous efforts to erase American history by tearing down statues of our nation's founders.
 

DanGo

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Why is WaPo letting him publish on their site
Every paper in this country needs to massively rethink the purpose of their opinion sections. I have no idea why Pompeo needs to be proactively granted a platform without any kind of rebuttal, reporting, or context next to his dangerous rhetoric.
 

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"We are forced to grapple with tough choices about which rights to promote and how to think about this," he said. "Americans have not only unalienable rights, but also positive rights granted by governments, courts and multilateral bodies. Many are worth defending in light of our founding; others aren't."
Uh huh... no red flags here or anything.
Pompeo noted that the report emphasizes property rights and religious liberty. "No one can enjoy the pursuit of happiness if you cannot own the fruits of your own labor. And no society can retain its legitimacy or a virtuous character without religious freedom," he said.
Religious freedom =/= using your faith to decide policy and how to live for people who don't believe in what you do, you wastrel.
 

DanGo

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Couple quick snippets I see from the draft report:

The undersigned Commissioners, like our fellow Americans, are not of one mind on many issues where there are conflicting interpretations of human rights claims —abortion, affirmative action, and capital punishment, to name a few.
In divisive social and political controversies in the United States — abortion, affirmative action, same-sex marriage— it is common for both sidesto couch their claims interms of basic rights. Indeed, it is a testament to the deep roots in the American spirit of our founding ideas about unalienable rights that our political debates continue to revolve around the concepts of individual freedom and human equality, even as we disagree — sometimes deeply — on the proper interpretation and just application ofthese principles.

The increase in rights claims, in some ways overdue and just, has given rise to excesses of its own. Not all government forbearance or intervention that benefits some or even all citizens is for that reason a right, and not every right that democratic majorities choose to enact is therefore unalienable. The temptation to cloak a contestable political preference in the mantle of human rights, which are held to be objectively and universally true, and seek a final and binding judgment from a court, tends to choke off democratic debate, which is itself critical to self-government and therefore to the protection of unalienable rights. At the same time, what may appear to be a new right will sometimes be better understood as reflecting a more refined understanding amid changing circumstances of the implications of America's dedication to unalienable right
Fuck off.

Just as the Soviet Union did in 1948, China, Iran, and Russia have been quick to charge that our country's domestic failures destroy its standing to defend universal human rights today. There can be no moral equivalence, however, between rights-respecting countries that fall short in progress toward their ideals, and countries that regularly and massively trample on their citizens' human rights.
The assumption that the US is indisputably one of the former countries and not the latter is quite something.
 
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Religious freedom. Man's making a mockery of the term.

He's using it as code for an extremist state with no rights for anyone but powerful straight white Christian dudes. So many of his type project fear of "Sharia law" because they're completely unoriginal and can only attack reflections of their own plans.
 

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I'd sure love to see a baphomet statue on The White House lawn. I wonder how Pompeo would feel about that type of religious liberty.

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Dogo Mojo

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U.S government officials calling for fewer human rights protections. Unless there is a massive shift coming soon this country is fucked, GOP can't kill it fast enough.

The saddest truth is that even if Biden wins the election, he will have to spend a large chunk of his time initially trying to fix all of the problems created by Trump and his goons the past 4 years. I don't envy him that Task.
 

samoscratch

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I never get tired of being told that i'm a human being that doesn't deserve equal rights. it's just lovely.
 

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code for "forget the gays and PoC, business owners and churches need help"
 

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I just assumed he was talking about China, since LGBTQ rights in the States don't really fall under his jurisdiction.
exactly. sly way of saying "we should mind our bizness" as this will lead us away from the role of playing the global police and give us less reason to interfere in the other government's affairs.

Don't agree but I see the argument.
 

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"based on the principals laid out by America's Founding Fathers"
lol you mean based on principles laid out by slave owners
 
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U.S government officials calling for fewer human rights protections. Unless there is a massive shift coming soon this country is fucked, GOP can't kill it fast enough.

The saddest truth is that even if Biden wins the election, he will have to spend a large chunk of his time initially trying to fix all of the problems created by Trump and his goons the past 4 years. I don't envy him that Task.

Yep, it's going to be very challenging for Biden to get into the White House in January, start the process of cleaning house of all Trump administration people and get stuff fixed that Trump totally has fucked over.
 

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Why? Why are human rights something we should limit in any way, for any one?

People like him believe the Bible conveys all the human rights that are necessary in the world.

Because Pompeo is an evangelical lunatic and like all evangelical lunatics the only people who matter are hetero Christians, preferably white with favoritism towards males.

It's more about power and wealth to them, religion and the Bible are just a convenient vehicle to bring more people in.
 
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Since when has America's defense of human rights ever NOT been limited? The government can't even be trusted to defend our rights at home.