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AP News - AS several MLB players test positive Manfred says season likely lost due to talks breakdown
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I'm gonna be sick.And thus ends the tenure of the greatest Dodger to never play.
There is no game, no revenue without the players. They are the labor, and the ones taking the personal risk (as well as all staff on the field).
The pandemic has been so mishandled in the US that I doubt any sports league will play this year. I'm laughing at MLS' idea that they can host a "mini World Cup" in Orlando.
Mlb and players agreed to a prorated contract. But then the owners decided to change the agreement and try to get the higher tier players to make even less because there's going to be no fans in the stadium. Which is bullshit because they should have known that when the first agreement was brought up.
I wonder if the lower paid players are fighting with the superstars so that they can get paid.
Guys this has nothing to do with COVID.
The league ownership is just trying to tighten the screws on the players. Fuck 'em. Cancel the season. I'm sick of baseball owners. Players will survive, at least at the highest level. They've already torpedoed the minor league systems of most franchises.
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There's more in the article but yeah. I don't for a moment believe that this has anything to do with player safety and it has everything to do with MLB owners trying to back down on their previous deal with players.
The league ownership is just trying to tighten the screws on the players. Fuck 'em. Cancel the season. I'm sick of baseball owners. Players will survive, at least at the highest level. They've already torpedoed the minor league systems of most franchises.
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There's more in the article but yeah. I don't for a moment believe that this has anything to do with player safety and it has everything to do with MLB owners trying to back down on their previous deal with players.
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As it should. I'm glad the players aren't dumb enough to risk lives for the billionaire owners.
The players and the owners had a deal back in March that would see prorated contracts. Owners have continuously came back to try to get that number knocked down bya considerable amount. While there are a lot of players that make a lot of money, there is an almost larger amount that is making hundreds of thousands a dollars, or less, a season due to how baseball contracts are structured for younger players.
Manfred continues to be the worst commissioner in sports. He's probably happy that he won't have to present that hunk of metal at the end of the season.
Didn't the Nationals come together to guarantee the pay for their farm systems because ownership was going to let the minor league teams just go without money for the season and essentially fire everyone?
I have never seen an ownership group in sports that is so hellbent on ruining their sport than Major League Baseball.
Except the millionaires and faces of these franchises could hold out in the upcoming CBA talks. And a priority of these "unsympathetic millionaires" is to bring a higher standard of living to poverty wage minor league players, both while in the minors and when they reach the major leagues and outproduce their contract tenfold.
It will 100% happen.
If it really wasn't going to happen, America might be in a position where it could actually happen. But instead America is nowhere near where sport should be starting again, because of things like sport starting up again.
Millionaires who people pay to watch do their job that they could lose in an instant. Not every player has generational wealth. Some double A journeyman shouldn't risk dying by playing.
Given that the virus is permanently damaging some peoples bodies and health, I do not see why ANY sport would take the chance this year. Yes, it sucks for some players and teams more than others. But imagine some actual LEGENDS in sports dying or losing a lung or having to get a leg amputated. It's been happening to others. Just insane. Cease all sports.
This is a terrible post and devalues the workers risk they take if they play this season.
Yes, this has nothing to do with recent positive tests. This has everything to do with the owners and players being the furthest apart they have been since the 94 strike and a pandemic forcing their hand early in terms of having to have hard discussions.
LMAO. MLB players make less as a percentage of revenue than the other three sports. There is no salary cap but there is also no salary floor. They also get paid less than you Joe Average Worker for a good chunk of their careers toiling in the minors. I understand if you don't want to have sympathy for millionaires but they are not the bad guys in this equation. The owners know that the CBA is up after next season and are viewing this as a preview battle essentially and will not give anything up because of that.
LMAO. MLB players make less as a percentage of revenue than the other three sports. There is no salary cap but there is also no salary floor. They also get paid less than you Joe Average Worker for a good chunk of their careers toiling in the minors. I understand if you don't want to have sympathy for millionaires but they are not the bad guys in this equation. The owners know that the CBA is up after next season and are viewing this as a preview battle essentially and will not give anything up because of that.
This. I just don't see any one entity handling this "well" when a state, country or other entity cannot. A lot of this is a state of make believe until the reality catches up.
Hey, if baseball ends, we can at least say that a team representing the United States beat a team full of cheaters in an exhilarating 7 game series. That the game went out on a high note.
Manfred trying to outdo Selig in suckage. Let's not forget the rot set in with Bud, the owners have free reign to abuse their fanbases and strong-arm municipalities. Manfred is even less deft and seems to have even less sense of what makes the game tick.
He's like Gary Bettman with none of the positives.
He's like Gary Bettman with none of the positives.
I saw him play in Arizona during spring training. Surreal.And thus ends the tenure of the greatest Dodger to never play.
Yeah, the point of this is all about the owners trying to pay less money.
There's an agreement in place from March that the players will take prorated pay, so that you divide their salary into 162 game checks, and however many games they play, the players get those checks.
In the economics of baseball, the post-season is the most lucrative thing for the owners. Player pay works entirely different in the postseason, they don't get paid per game. Instead, some percentage of playoff revenue is put into a playoff pool, the money in that pool is divided by where teams finish in the playoffs, that money goes to the players on those teams collectively, teams divvy that money up based on a share system that means your 2nd year everyday SS and your superstar RF will get the same playoff pay. (Anyone on the roster all year gets a share, and anyone who falls short of that mark gets a vote to assign them a full share, a partial share, or a lump sum that won't vary with the pool size.) The money for the owners in the playoffs is enormous, and it's slanted to their favor.
So naturally, what the owners are trying to do is to minimize the regular season, where the players will all make significant salary per game played, to get to the postseason, where there's effectively a salary cap because all money due to players are based on revenue percentages. The players have been asking for more regular season games in order to recover more of their pay, and all of MLB's offers have essentially been "well, we can do more games, but only if you agree to basically work the extra games for free". Pretty much all of MLB's offers for the season have come in with the players getting roughly 33% of their salaries, no matter how many games were on offer.
(There's a good case to be made that this effect is all over baseball of late. Player pay was basically based on an awkward equilibrium where players were underpaid for their early years and overpaid for their late years, and that's part of what kept labor peace. But the owners in recent years have acted like they suddenly ran the numbers and found this inefficiency in how much they were paying players late in their career, so they're just going to correct that, despite that being the fundamental unspoken balance of labor. Part of why the MLBPA has been a declining union is, in part, because they decided that they could just operate with this unspoken agreement and the owners would never suddenly "discover the inefficiency" without making changes to contracts for players still trying to hit their service time marks. It's just the ever present greed of late-stage capitalism at work in baseball.)
Thankfully, they're not. That was what the owners were trying to do with that ludicrous offer, the players rejected it and have been firm on keeping 100% of their prorated pay.
There's an agreement in place from March that the players will take prorated pay, so that you divide their salary into 162 game checks, and however many games they play, the players get those checks.
In the economics of baseball, the post-season is the most lucrative thing for the owners. Player pay works entirely different in the postseason, they don't get paid per game. Instead, some percentage of playoff revenue is put into a playoff pool, the money in that pool is divided by where teams finish in the playoffs, that money goes to the players on those teams collectively, teams divvy that money up based on a share system that means your 2nd year everyday SS and your superstar RF will get the same playoff pay. (Anyone on the roster all year gets a share, and anyone who falls short of that mark gets a vote to assign them a full share, a partial share, or a lump sum that won't vary with the pool size.) The money for the owners in the playoffs is enormous, and it's slanted to their favor.
So naturally, what the owners are trying to do is to minimize the regular season, where the players will all make significant salary per game played, to get to the postseason, where there's effectively a salary cap because all money due to players are based on revenue percentages. The players have been asking for more regular season games in order to recover more of their pay, and all of MLB's offers have essentially been "well, we can do more games, but only if you agree to basically work the extra games for free". Pretty much all of MLB's offers for the season have come in with the players getting roughly 33% of their salaries, no matter how many games were on offer.
(There's a good case to be made that this effect is all over baseball of late. Player pay was basically based on an awkward equilibrium where players were underpaid for their early years and overpaid for their late years, and that's part of what kept labor peace. But the owners in recent years have acted like they suddenly ran the numbers and found this inefficiency in how much they were paying players late in their career, so they're just going to correct that, despite that being the fundamental unspoken balance of labor. Part of why the MLBPA has been a declining union is, in part, because they decided that they could just operate with this unspoken agreement and the owners would never suddenly "discover the inefficiency" without making changes to contracts for players still trying to hit their service time marks. It's just the ever present greed of late-stage capitalism at work in baseball.)
Thankfully, they're not. That was what the owners were trying to do with that ludicrous offer, the players rejected it and have been firm on keeping 100% of their prorated pay.
the owners are so horny for a salary cap and want to impose, not bargain for it
I'll forever miss him on the Red Sox, still upset that they didn't sign him long term, loved watching him play for years now.And thus ends the tenure of the greatest Dodger to never play.
Right. They're putting money over lives.
All sports in general just needs to be cancelled this year, whatever it's local, college or professional.
The comparison was about the relative greediness compared to other sports. I don't understand what this post has to do with anything.
All of a sudden I'm a huge NC Dinos fanYou're all welcome to join in on the KBO bandwagon, specifically out brave and noble NC Dinos.
You're all welcome to join in on the KBO bandwagon, specifically out brave and noble NC Dinos.
For me, it's Kiwoom.
But yeah, the Dinos are dominating this year.
I think college football is going to be played no matter what. Football generates so much money for some of the big schools it's ridiculous. Even the little schools need that fat check to get crushed by a FBS school once a year.
"There is no salary floor"
There clearly is. MLB players are doing fine
The salary floor is related to the team salary not an individual player's salary. Again you talk about MLB players being fine, no one is arguing they're not.
The risk is not worth it. They shouldn't have a season in 2020. Period.
The owners and players should simply come to a financial agreement to pay ALL the players a fair emergency salary to get everyone through the year, and then in 2021 they can resume their normal contracts and service time.
Owners will have to take a loss, obviously, with no ticket or stadium revenue, or TV revenue, and the players will have to accept that they aren't going to make their full contracted salaries this year and should work with the union and the league to help support Minor Leaguers.
There is plenty of money there, on both sides, to survive a lost season. Only greed is holding this back.