They say somehow that he called Democrat criticisms of COVID response a hoax only... but many are noting that is a poor reading of his comments, does not make any sense to isolate as him saying the issues are real but somehow "this" in "this is their new hoax" refers to only to the discourse happening and not the contextual subject, and that the context/chants/his demeanor all point to him talking about COVID and not Democrats.
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Agreed but they weren't the only ones. Snopes, Politifact, and others all decided yesterday was a swell day to put that out there.
It's amazing how many folks can contest things said on film just this year. Not to mention we have them in high quality and accessible from almost anywhere. Post truth society hurts my head.
Meh. Every fact checking agency says the same thing and I agree after watching the video. Whatever, doesnt change the disastrous response or downplaying it across the board.
These "fact checks" only serve to legitimize existing government power structures, not hold them accountable. Can't lose that precious access, after all...
Well, I can actually see what the AP are saying. He didn't explicitly say in that situation that the virus itself wasn't real, but that the Democrats were hyping it up to be something more severe than Trump claimed it was.
However, Trump has a long history of downplaying the severity of the virus throughout the year, even when thousands of Americans were dying every day. So while he hasn't exactly claimed it wasn't real, he absolutely has consistently tried to make out that it isn't that dangerous to people, which is absolutely untrue.
However, Trump has a long history of downplaying the severity of the virus throughout the year, even when thousands of Americans were dying every day. So while he hasn't exactly claimed it wasn't real, he absolutely has consistently tried to make out that it isn't that dangerous to people, which is absolutely untrue.
He didn't call the virus a hoax, he called the Democrats saying they handled the virus poorly a hoax.
Which like all Trump hoax declarations you can replace the word hoax with fact.
Which like all Trump hoax declarations you can replace the word hoax with fact.
Yup. I saw that making the rounds and I got confused because I remember the specific clip.
This kind if epic misreading makes you wonder.
Don't agree that you can be talking about COVID and say "this is their new hoax" and somehow isolate it from "this" being the pandemic. What's the hair split that works there to suggest he didn't really think the pandemic was a non-issue? The context and line itself suggest that's exactly what he was saying actually wasn't legitimately an issue
I'd say they're still mostly "reliable" but the problem with factcheckers like them are that they're too laser-focused on semantics and "well technically" type stuff. That's the thing that makes them increasingly irrelevant imo. It's like they're robots who are unable to decipher dogwhistles, read between the lines, etc.
I guess the fact he didn't literally say the phrase "COVID-19 is a hoax" means all the months he spent making fun of wearing masks, saying that wearing masks could be more dangerous than not wearing them, saying COVID would magically go away on its own, saying you don't need to social distance, etc don't matter?
This is a really fucking stupid thing to be nit-picky about.
This is a really fucking stupid thing to be nit-picky about.
Imagine batting for Trump. Lol losers.
The guy has covid and has got 200k+ killed but you tell me Biden twisted the words to be nasty. Like take a step back and look at whats happening. "Well technically Trump is still human with feelings at the end of the day" No! Fuck that!
The guy has covid and has got 200k+ killed but you tell me Biden twisted the words to be nasty. Like take a step back and look at whats happening. "Well technically Trump is still human with feelings at the end of the day" No! Fuck that!
I've been rolling my eyes at AP, Snopes, and whoever else is going to bat for him with their "He never explicitly said 'COVID-19 is a hoax'" bullshit. He's downplayed the severity of it, said it affects virtually nobody, said it only affects old people, said kids don't get it, said it would be over in a few months, said it would be over in the summer, said there would be a vaccine by Election Day, said chloroquine would make it better, said bleach and UV lights were a treatment, and more. He's contradicted specialists and medical professionals at every step of the way. He's implied that masks aren't needed and don't do anything.
So fucking what if he hasn't come out and said "I believe that specifically COVID-19 is a hoax." Every single one of these fact checkers should be saying "No, but..." and then rattling off a list of his irresponsible and negligent activities, and then closing it with "So no, he didn't literally call it a hoax but he implied it wasn't serious and he didn't take it serious as the president of the United States." It should have a big-ass asterisk next to any "No" or "False" claim they are making.
So fucking what if he hasn't come out and said "I believe that specifically COVID-19 is a hoax." Every single one of these fact checkers should be saying "No, but..." and then rattling off a list of his irresponsible and negligent activities, and then closing it with "So no, he didn't literally call it a hoax but he implied it wasn't serious and he didn't take it serious as the president of the United States." It should have a big-ass asterisk next to any "No" or "False" claim they are making.
Media types have been begging for ways to normalize Trump
Him getting sick is the opening they needed
What he says in his ramblings and how it is interpreted by his base does the damage, not what he technically means. Factcheckers are playing right into his hands.
So they are hair splitting between Trump saying the virus was a hoax to the severity of the virus was a hoax? I fail to see how either is good, in fact when messaging to people from a health and safety perspective there is very little difference.
Also context matters a lot. He called the virus "their new hoax" while also saying "it will be gone just like that" and "you'll never here about Covid after November 3rd again" as if people will magically stop getting sick and dying after that and that the whole world is in on this conspiracy. It is also insulting to people's intelligence to say Biden is claiming Trump thinks COVID-19 is fake, when he says "the president calls covid a hoax". We know exactly what Biden means when he says that.
Also context matters a lot. He called the virus "their new hoax" while also saying "it will be gone just like that" and "you'll never here about Covid after November 3rd again" as if people will magically stop getting sick and dying after that and that the whole world is in on this conspiracy. It is also insulting to people's intelligence to say Biden is claiming Trump thinks COVID-19 is fake, when he says "the president calls covid a hoax". We know exactly what Biden means when he says that.
This is fucking bullshit. Trump always uses coded language that can easily be interpreted however you want. He clearly downplayed it, regardless. They should be fact checking his stupid 2 million number that he threw around at the debate.
Snopes has been tearing into Trump for a long time now. I'm much more apt to believe this is a "well, actually" kind of thing rather than something intentionally misleading. Though I'd definitely prefer if they labeled the claim something like "Unsure" rather than making a statement of certainty about it.
Trump may not have said, literally, that COVID-19 is a hoax, but the sum total of what he's said and done has resulted in that pretty much being the message. He calls it the Democrats new hoax, he calls it the Chinavirus and openly ponders if China manufactured it, he downplays the importance of wearing masks, he downplays the numbers, he downplays the seriousness of the virus, he "jokes" about investing bleach, he pumps up hydrox as a remedy, etc.
It's a really bad like to "Well, actually..." that claim fact checkers.
It's a really bad like to "Well, actually..." that claim fact checkers.
Reminds me of when he said the " the leaks are real but the news is fake"
It's a nonsensical distinction.
The fact is he was dismissing the seriousness of the impending pandemic, and his response was impotent.
As such, neither the disease nor the Democrat criticism odd the response was a hoax. Calling either one of the a hoax was dangerous for the exact same reason
It's a nonsensical distinction.
The fact is he was dismissing the seriousness of the impending pandemic, and his response was impotent.
As such, neither the disease nor the Democrat criticism odd the response was a hoax. Calling either one of the a hoax was dangerous for the exact same reason
Yes, and the actual video of the whole set of comments is clearly about "this" pandemic. He is not legitimizing the pandemic. This can't be a "the leaks are real but the news is fake" comment in the video's full context. Walking it back is useless as well. He also says many things he said about the virus and treatments were jokes now when they were clearly not. He also is positive toward the crowd then chanting COVID is a hoax.
Of all things to defend Trump, THIS is what you cling onto? Lol. Even if didn't call it a hoax the fucking guy has downplayed it over and over and over and over.
Snopes has done jack and shit to actually limit Trump's damage beyond giving liberals a chance to feel better about themselves not being idiots when they check one of his claims on it.
Snopes and Politifact had those particular fact checks for a while; needless to say, you had conservatives who'd previously dismiss them as Soros-funded socialist websites to suddenly cite them as valid sources.
Politician talk combined with Trump always being a sneaky slimeball. Be vague. That way they can spin it like they want. If somebody else calls him out on it, then spin it some more or just accuse them of fake news.
Yep, this is it. Giving the most beneficial interpretation to someone who has continually shown they don't deserve benefit of the doubt.
I think people know the entire "hoax" comment isn't that Trump ever claimed the virus doesn't exist. He had already been on record several times acknowledging, yet downplaying, the virus. The "hoax" was always about the virus being a severe threat that the government had to take seriously.
This is also all ignoring the fact that after the Russia investigation, Trump just really likes using the buzzword hoax and will use it in ways that don't exactly align with the word's definition.
This pedantry over the specifics of shit Trump says is constant. Someone at my work insisted that Trump wasn't giving an order to the Proud Boys when he said "stand down, stand by". He clearly fucking was.
Is it worth giving distinction to Trump's word salad that convinced all his followers it was a hoax regardless when he's lied directly hundreds of other times about it? (comparisons to the flu, it will go away with warm weather, it's a temporary thing, the shutdown is worse than the virus, numbers are coming way down, totally under control, 99% of the time it's harmess, lowest mortality rate in the world, children ARE IMMUNE, etc.)
The sum of the the shit he's spewed has downplayed the virus and convinced a non minor number of folks it's a hoax. That's why I wonder what the point of this fact check is.