You do realise that there are more reasons for why people might not want to vote at all or only want to vote downballet in the election besides Bernie not being the democratic candidate right?
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AOC Puts a Fine Point On It: "In November, I’m going to be voting for Joe Biden"
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Obviously. But the fact that Biden wants to compromise on certain policies, and Im sure he is smart enough to choose a running mate that resonates with Sanders base, I think people should be thinking ahead and supporting him as the democratic nominee.
Fact is... voting any other candidate IF you oppose Trump is a waste.
So... if you want Trump out, vote Biden.
If assholes want Trump in, you bet they put their differences aside and will keep him in.
I don't see what "fine point" people infer from this, but I'm not surprised by her choice, and far be it from me to moralize people's personal voting choice on Biden one way or the other.
Even if he does compromise, and picked a running mate that the left actually liked, that still doesn't make him less of a rapist which is what I was actually trying to point out rather than issues with policy. I'm not american so I can't vote in this election either way but if it was policy that was the issue I'd vote for him if I could even if I had to hold my nose to do it, but him being a rapist is just a line I wouldn't be able to cross and I wish people on here respected that other people who feel the same aren't insane or immoral because of their principles
She also said this in her interview with the NYT The Daily podcast last week.
AOC is not a moron and she's also a smart politician. This is an obvious decision for her, but I think she's more willing to play the political game than some of her most ideological supporters think she is. Watching her over these last 2 years, especially in the last 6-9 months she's shown a willingness to lead and negoatiate, which is something that more ardent ideological supporters of hers typically use to discount other Democrats. As she's moves into more positions of democratic leadership in time, I can see her being perceived as someone like Nancy Pelosi -- the most progressive speaker of the house since the New Deal, but one who some stalwarts feel abandoned by because of her passion in passing legislation, not just being ideological.
I like AOC a lot.
AOC is not a moron and she's also a smart politician. This is an obvious decision for her, but I think she's more willing to play the political game than some of her most ideological supporters think she is. Watching her over these last 2 years, especially in the last 6-9 months she's shown a willingness to lead and negoatiate, which is something that more ardent ideological supporters of hers typically use to discount other Democrats. As she's moves into more positions of democratic leadership in time, I can see her being perceived as someone like Nancy Pelosi -- the most progressive speaker of the house since the New Deal, but one who some stalwarts feel abandoned by because of her passion in passing legislation, not just being ideological.
I like AOC a lot.
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She understands what's at stake. It's a shame she'll be vilified by the "real progressives."
She hasn't given her "official" endorsement yet, which I imagine will be accompanied by a letter/video. This is just her talking as a citizen.
They're probably still negotiating.
Who is shaming her? There are legitimate reasons to vote for Biden, namely getting Trump out. No one is mad at her for saying she'll vote for him.
Hell, AOC created a PAC solely to primary establishment democrats for more progressive choices in the congress. That's far more direct action than Bernie ever did in his presidential run.
I assumed the "fine point" was a they might be giants reference.
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AOC isn't dumb of course she is. Anything other than a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for Donald Trump.
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It's bigger in the sense that Trump would get his most evil done in the second four years.
...it took me til the very end of the sentence to realize the "Squad" being referenced here was not the Terror Squad.
Not exactly a hard choice is it. There is so much on the line and one candidate is 1000x worse than the other.
Oh he's gonna get his most evil done in the lame duck session when he loses.
I get what you're saying, mind, and he'd be far worse in his second term than he has been in his first, but I'm just saying either outcome could have been avoided if we stopped him out the gate four years ago.
My original post, however was more in regards to the capability of the candidates (not necessarily the likeability because Biden has Clinton beat there)
He was Obama's VP for heaven sakes, and he's already said he'll have Sanders' input on his policies. You can take that with a grain of salt if you want, but you know for damn sure there's at least a chance he'll be guided to the left, as opposed to none whatsosever with Trump.
Definitely, AOC's works will do more talking for her.
This ain't the hallmark of the typical bourgeois democrat.
Probably the likes of Briahna Gray and the other shouters who turned on AOC (however briefly) when she tweeted something positive about Warren.
Finding "common ground" with the Biden campaign presumably involves finding out what he actually stands for besides being the other guy.
This November my conscience will be as pure as the driven snow
Not surprising. She always said she'll for the Democratic nominee. However this isn't necessarily an endorsement of his campaign yet.
are you sure she wasnt considering voting for one of these people
what is it with them and stupid hats
Shows what I know and I follow the news quite a bit... I was wondering where Gary Johnson was again...
She might hold out until policy concessions which is tactically a good play for furthering progressive causes.
You will get people jumping against her now on era because of this. Frankly like its been said...whatever it takes. If you can stomach 4 more years of trump...more power to you I guess.
Edit: I'll say that if she can nudge him a bit more left, that would be great for us all.
Which people? There seems to be a straw man build up occurring here, if anything.
Good for her and I hope these negotiations or whatever work out for the best. Just as long as she knows regressive corporate beholden dinosaurs like Biden will pull that football up with the quickness whenever they feel they've gotten enough use out of you.
Bernie dropped out 2 weeks ago. We already know what she thinks of progressives who endorse Biden.
Bernie dropped out 2 weeks ago. We already know what she thinks of progressives who endorse Biden.
That's a sarcastic comment protraying the straw man I'm talking about.
It's so hard to tell. Regardless, the anti-Biden stance is so prevalent that I'm sure someone is thinking it.
Well, this makes me think that she should be
I have to imagine most people are "anti-Biden" to some variable extent on this forum regardless if they're voting for him or not
I see it differently because of Coronavirus and how Trump has done as president. Before I was going off of what he could possibly do, now I know he's a criminal and he's done a lot of what he said and more plus the virus is a new threat that he has mishandled completely.
This. I hate Biden and I think he is a terrible choice for the Democratic nomination.
But you can bet your ass I will be waiting in line to vote for him.
I imagine most aren't. We have a very vocal minority out for blood, but by and large, most are aware that Bernie was realistically not going to get the nomination, and this is the best realistic shot of taking down Trump.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sad Bernie lost the nomination, but I do think Biden has a vastly better chance than, say, Hillary did 4 years ago.
"Terrible" would have been Buttigieg, not someone who's been VP and actually knows how to run a country in a democratic manner.
Yes.
I am currently debating what alcohol to down an unhealthy amount of after I put in my Biden votE myself.
I would imagine most people here who will vote for Biden will do so not because of who he is but because this election is bigger than Biden himself.
Also people jumped on Warren when she endorsed Biden. So is it hard to imagine people will do so once AOC does?
Not as much as you'd need if Trump got reelected, put things in perspective.
There seems to be some weird undercurrent going on in this thread where it's obstensibly about one thing but people are angling at discussing something almost entirely different.
Yeah we all want trump the fuck up out the paint. Doesn't mean folks have to be satisfied with Biden