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Huskman

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She's right. I do want her to run in 2028, however we as a people cannot leave all the work to presidents and every election. That's not to say those aren't important; it's to say that we must be active in pursuing positive change within the country and the world.
 

Serene

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I don't remember the exact quote, but it bears mentioning in times like this. In the most ideal world we like to think of progress as a straight line, where we constantly move from less progressive to more. And the reality is it's just not that simple. Usually it's more "two steps forward, one step back". And this election cycle is proof more than anything of that. So many people are responding with support to stuff like M4A and the concept of socialism not being taboo. That's progress, steps forward. Then they are electing a less progressive candidate, that can be the step back. But progress is happening. It's just never as smooth or as consistent as we'd like it to be.
 

Morrigan

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I see her point, but... I wonder. Sometimes real change doesn't happen without a charismatic leader to inspire others and spur it forward. It sucks, but it's an unfortunate reality that charisma and brands matter, and go a long way into pushing a movement forward. So it's not about a saviour, but the American Left will need leadership if it ever hopes to obtain power, I feel.
 

B-Dubs

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I see her point, but... I wonder. Sometimes real change doesn't happen without a charismatic leader to inspire others and spur it forward. It sucks, but it's an unfortunate reality that charisma and brands matter, and go a long way into pushing a movement forward. So it's not about a saviour, but the American Left will need leadership if it ever hopes to obtain power, I feel.
But you won't get that if people don't get involved in the process. That's where leaders come from.
 

XMonkey

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I see her point, but... I wonder. Sometimes real change doesn't happen without a charismatic leader to inspire others and spur it forward. It sucks, but it's an unfortunate reality that charisma and brands matter, and go a long way into pushing a movement forward. So it's not about a saviour, but the American Left will need leadership if it ever hopes to obtain power, I feel.
That kind of leadership starts with AOC. She has "it".
 

Fantastical

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Oct 27, 2017
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God I wish fast-tracking AOC to presidential candidate wasn't one of the few choices progressives have.
 

Psamtik

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Before 2015, Bernie Sanders had next to no national influence and was little more than the answer to a trivia question. Two years ago, nobody had ever heard of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. These things can develop very quickly, especially with the world spinning at the speed of social media.

AOC obviously has a robust future, as she's the most preternaturally gifted politician to burst onto the scene since Barack Obama, but the next big thing, and the one after that? We haven't heard their names yet.
 

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AOC is absolutely right. We can't start putting all our hopes and dreams on her. She can't do it alone.
That's why one of the main goals of the Sanders campaign was building a movement that would outlast him. He knows he might not have made it through his first term if he did make it to the whitehouse.
So now his campaign is effectively dead, but there's still a shitload of good that movement can do.

But you won't get that if people don't get involved in the process. That's where leaders come from.

Luckily DSA membership has been been increasing rapidly in the last few years. A 850%+ increase since the 2016 Democratic convention. New voices will emerge.

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Arkeband

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I don't remember the exact quote, but it bears mentioning in times like this. In the most ideal world we like to think of progress as a straight line, where we constantly move from less progressive to more. And the reality is it's just not that simple. Usually it's more "two steps forward, one step back". And this election cycle is proof more than anything of that. So many people are responding with support to stuff like M4A and the concept of socialism not being taboo. That's progress, steps forward. Then they are electing a less progressive candidate, that can be the step back. But progress is happening. It's just never as smooth or as consistent as we'd like it to be.

2016-2020 was more than one step back, and this is ignoring the insane shift to the right the US has been on for the last half century. We might be socially more progressive, but we're nearing the nightmare scenarios of the privatization of every possible institution.

There needs to be some shocks to the system at some point, because this gradual shit is aiming us straight at an apocalypse.
 

IMCaprica

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She's absolutely right. Get people motivated to vote in local and state elections at a policy-based level. That's the real trick. Make it routine like the GOP does. You motivate people to do that and vote progressive then the presidential elections become a lot easier to win. I hope we see Sanders, AOC, Ilhan, etc. start putting their muscle behind up-and-coming progressives.
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Democratic socialism. My man.
 
Nov 5, 2017
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Then we fight every tooth and nail. They won't last forever. Take every ground we can in the house and senate and don't give an inch back.

Sounds like something the alt-right who elected Trump in the 1st place would say....

Why can't we be decent human beings for once and just....I donno, where it makes sense, compromise and move the progressive agenda bit by bit?
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
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You need to vote, make a habit out of it and to vote reliably. That's the only way to reliably win.
 

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I love her, sad that people already in the primary thread are saying they never expect her to be on a ballot to run for President Because so many people already hate her too much. Every day someone says something to make me even more upset, disillusioned with this country.
 

ZackieChan

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did young progressives yet again not vote tonight? just like they've been doing in every election in every western country lately?
Yep.
It gets frustrating to see people blame the establishment with phrases like "They didn't pick anyone for voters to be excited about so they deserved to lose to Trump."

People should know their power and ideas would exist if Bernie or whoever dropped dead tomorrow. Go use it.
"They" being the voting public, of which a tiny part was young people. As usual.
a lots of young people are just tired man. You can only get anger for so long till you burn out and give up.
Stop burning out at some point before actually voting? That'd be a start. There's more of you than them!
 

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Yep.

"They" being the voting public, of which a tiny part was young people. As usual.

Stop burning out at some point before actually voting? That'd be a start. There's more of you than them!

I know I'm saying this in every political thread but being here in California doing our part, and seeing so much of the rest of the country say , "no, that's all right." It's so fucking frustrating
 
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She's right and it's not just voting that people need to do. We can't just start organizing folks every 4 years or so when an election comes up. We need people to be involved in their communities and organized from there on.
 

Xaszatm

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Sounds like something the alt-right who elected Trump in the 1st place would say....

Why can't we be decent human beings for once and just....I donno, where it makes sense, compromise and move the progressive agenda bit by bit?

"Compromise when it makes sense" is after I fight as hard as I can to push the agenda as far left as I can. Until then I push, persuade, and politicize my way until the party goes where I want it to. We don't start on compromises. Compromising is at the end.

Also how dare you try and compare me wanting to fight for basic rights as "sounds like something the alt right would say". How in the blazing hells is me trying to get healthcare for everyone, a living wage for everyone, and trying to fix this broken country "something the alt right would say?" Did AOC sound like the alt-right when she went against the democratic establishment for not doing enough for the children across the border, something she continues to fight for to this day? Progressives aren't going to quiet down and hush up after Bernie. The world is crumbling! It's not the time to lay about! Now, more than ever, is the time to be angry and realize the alt-right doesn't own the monopoly in channeling anger to political motivation! It's time to fight tooth and nail for the right to live!
 
Oct 26, 2017
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That's a great response from her, I'm glad she hasn't let the celebrity get to her head. After these primaries are over, she's going to find herself being the definitive leader of this movement. I hope she is able to keep it alive and keep pushing forward for the next decade. I don't know if she would make a good president - and neither does she - but regardless, it's about getting people engaged with politics. A president is not a dictator, and even if Bernie was elected I think people would be incredibly disappointed in how ineffective he would be; the country is not there yet, but it will be one day.
 

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Sounds like something the alt-right who elected Trump in the 1st place would say....

Why can't we be decent human beings for once and just....I donno, where it makes sense, compromise and move the progressive agenda bit by bit?
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Can you name a time in the last 40 years where incremental progressive change hasn't been undone at the first opportunity by the next GOP controlled congress/President?

Also; that "alt-left" bullshit can fuck right off.
 

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Sounds like something the alt-right who elected Trump in the 1st place would say....

Why can't we be decent human beings for once and just....I donno, where it makes sense, compromise and move the progressive agenda bit by bit?
Thats been the Dems game plan for years. "If we keep moving to the middle to meet the right, eventually they'll meet us in the middle" and then the right proceeds to just step further to the right.
 

Mahonay

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Sounds like something the alt-right who elected Trump in the 1st place would say....

Why can't we be decent human beings for once and just....I donno, where it makes sense, compromise and move the progressive agenda bit by bit?
What do you think the Democratic party is? They currently are very moderate, yet Republicans still refuse to meet in the middle. They don't give a fuck about basic common sense shit, let alone any kind of progressive agendas.

Current Republican party is practically an oligarchy.
 

TheAndyMan

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Feb 11, 2019
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She's so right. Grass-roots activism, like the Sunrise Movement, will be an import part in pushing progressive agenda, not just potential Presidents.
 

peppersky

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Mar 9, 2018
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She is literally saying that we can't swing from saviour to saviour and all that some of you idiots are getting from that is "can't wait for her to run"

Also fuck everyone who blames the future of this planet on young people
 

Fallout-NL

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Oct 30, 2017
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The grass roots thing would be great if we didn't need vast and sweeping change to combat climate change.
 

JDSN

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She gonna launch her bid and that bootleg shady Kennedy will do too and that fucker will win it.
 

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There's no time left for stupid 'bit-by-bit' incremental changes that get undone the first thing another government gets in. It won't be done, simple as that.
 

M.Bluth

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm fucking exhausted, so I dunno about saving anyone. Everyone I know is tired of showing up, putting in time and energy, to get nothing in return; to get beaten down and silenced by all the centrists and old assholes who tell us we all want the same thing, but we gotta compromise because things won't pass. As if they're not the ones stopping them from getting passed in the first place.

I'll get everyone I know to vote for Biden, not that I know anyone who wasn't going to vote against Trump, but if anyone wavers, then we'll talk them into it, too. But if Trump still wins, I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do. Let it all burn I guess.

God I wish fast-tracking AOC to presidential candidate wasn't one of the few choices progressives have.
Nah, I'm hoping she kicks out that useless fool Schumer first.