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AOC grills Mark Zuckerberg
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There are scales here that people don't understand. Facebook has become the internet to a lot of people... to a lot of the world for that matter. They are the primary source of news and information. They aggregate so much data that the world uses. People look towards Facebook to know what's going on in the world. And this wasn't done by happenstance, they didn't stumble into this. Facebook purposefully manipulated and engineered themselves to become this monolith. When they essentially become the sole source for news for many (by design) they can't suddenly say "Oh.. well... people should go independently research for themselves the claims of these rich politicians that choke ad networks with their lies. It's not our fault." Especially when they are actively working on stamping down any other alternative options to do that.
Their platform is the defacto platform, and they need to shoulder the responsibility as such.
Their platform is the defacto platform, and they need to shoulder the responsibility as such.
His position on this is completely at odds with basic functioning democracy. It cannot be allowed. The company should be massively fined until it complies with basic decency and honesty in relation to political advertising. Absolutely scandalous.
As a politician I'm going to run ads about NineConsonants being a child raping cannibal and his family being nothing but a bunch of in bred degenerates who also enjoy child raping and canibbalism. Going to run these ads non stop on facebook including places your friends, acquaintances and anyone else you might know will see them.
As it stands, we allow political ads to be broadcasted regardless of veracity.
We will also make a point that NineConsonants is a flag burning America hater and that he uses Constitution daily as a toilet paper, and at one point also worked to overthrow the US government with the help of other America haters, including the American Cannibal Society.
I'm wondering, would Facebook take down ads from Pepsi that said that Coca Cola included cancerous toxins, or some other such over the top lie to smear it's competitor. I presume it would. Or it should. Why is politics different? If anything political discourse should be, needs to be way above that. This is democracy, this is the very crux of democracy, having facts, not disinformation. With such widespread acceptance of disinformation then you have to see that democracy is really going to be soon on the way out. Facebook is huge and it's influence is more direct and more widespread than any other media we have had up until now. It is almost ubiquitous among the population. This stuff is important and it changes minds. You cannot let lies seep out there among the masses. Facebook has the responsibility, just as a newspaper has a responsibility to ensure that everything posted on it's platform is correct and not inciting hatred or spreading disinformation. End of.
His point is that he isn't letting humanity/Americans off the hook for falling for lies like trickle down economics and climate change being fake long past the time analyses proved these statements false. There is no need to be obtuse about him talking about the larger picture of how we process lies for years.
I watched some of this when they were airing on cnbc yesterday. Didnt catch the aoc part or they may not have aired it. Anyways watching this dinosaur congressmen and women ask questions that they have no idea what they are even saying was just embarrassing half the time. Zuckerberg clearly didnt want to be there at all and I'm surprised he still shows up for these things.
It's fine if he doesn't want to let people off the hook but at the end of the day he also shouldn't then put alcohol in front of alcoholics and pretend it's only their fault if they relapse. People will learn what's true when they aren't also fed a deluge of falsehoods at the same time.
I guess you missed the other twitter link in the middle of page 1. Congress didn't only send Facebook a set of questions that he was going to be asked about live. They also sent him preliminary legislation they were crafting.
If Facebook doesn't shape up they'll get regulated as long as the dems have enough political strength to do so in 2021.
I'm trying to find these cathartic, and am impressed by AOC's and Joyce Beatty's performances but it's all just noise, well intentioned, well researched noise, but nothing of consequence will come from this. Facebook is above governments. Zuck can squirm and wiggle all he wants, look like an idiot, but he can also totally get away with the Cambridge Analytica stuff, and just a book full of other heinous shit Facebook has it's name under. He will totally get away with this (maybe some sort of slap on the wrist or legislation they will stymie and lobby hard against in the future)
No consequences for the ultra-rich in the western world, none. Fuck.
No consequences for the ultra-rich in the western world, none. Fuck.
Networks dont regulate campaign ads. The federal government does. They should do so in this case instead of leaving it up to facebook. They're the last company that should be given more control over our politics.
When black woman says "you should have known better" you got to instant;y rethink your life
yes i know this. ABC doesn't try and air everything offered to them because they know the government won't allow it. that's what i meant.
The policy of hiring the best qualified people with no regard for their backgrounds naturally favors the privileged, meaning those with better social standing, economic status, and inherited advantages.
When you don't account for the inequality caused by factors like slavery, segregation, and past and current discrimination, you automatically reinforce the deeply imbalanced status quo that tends to hand more and better opportunities to people who have less bullshit holding them back.
It sounds like he was given a packet explaining everything he was being asked that he did not bother to read or get the answers for.
Actually when it comes to political ads by and large they do. Unless it fails to meet FCA/FCC rules.
Fucking Christ I feel embarrassed FOR him, lmao. Talk about a public lashing hahaha
I am from Europe and I cannot roll my eyes further back every time someone posts this shit. It's ridiculous.
See below.
Cable news has carved out an exception for itself. So CNN, MSNBC and Fox News aren't necessarily bound by it but by and large they follow it as well.
You imagine the CEO left something this important to someone else to handle and then didn't follow up with them before the hearing?
Am I reading that right?
That still doesn't make it their job to create standards on what is acceptable, just as NineConsonants said.
AOC and all the other congressmen leading the way against facebook on this issue should be the target of meaningless, rhetorical spectacle. It's their job to regulate. Expand the FCC's coverage or propose the authoritarian legislation that forces facebook to comply. This begging is useless.
it's the government's job yes. that's what i am saying.that's what i said to NineConsonants
I thought it was best practice to let companies have a chance to behave before forcing them?
Zuckerberg came across like a kid who had just be caught pushing in front of another in the assembly line. He got a stern talking to. Zuckerberg to bed without cookies! Seriously, Zuckerberg looked forlorn. Shows how out of touch he is. All his miserable answers should have consequences.
Corporations hate when the government has to come in an apply regulations so they tend to try their best to self regulate (to varying degree of success). A lot of the groundwork happening here by AOC and others is establishing that Facebook doesn't have the interest or event the capability to regulate themselves (and also that they have essentially formed a monopoly) so that in the future regulations can be brought forth on the back of the work done here.
If you are referring to self regulation then they are doing precisely that. Any FCC oversight or legislation as presently constituted would lead to the same exact outcome, as the government doesn't regulate political speech/ads outside of the subset of buzzwords that Zuckerberg kept repeating.
Facebook has been around for years. Zuckerberg has been in these hearings several times. Companies period had their chance decades ago before the FCC regulated political campaign ads. This isnt a new issue.
Facebook isnt any different on this issue. There is no reason why online political advertising cant be lumped in with the existing regulations.
If he wasn't even going to bother to at least have bullshit answers to the questions, why even show the fuck up for this thing??
Yknow, I'm sure you're a great person irl, but can you please fuck all the way off with this derailing BS?
It shouldn't be controversial to say that a corporation with the ability to advertise to billions of people should have some oversight on their political advertising. I'm not gonna engage with you further on this because I don't think you're even remotely arguing in good faith.
TV networks do no such thing. They are bound by FCC rules.
The US doesn't currently regulate political ads/speech outside of the subset of exceptions he kept mentioning.
Excuse me, but "educate"? That's seems like a great way to stifle discussion, by assuming you have all the facts. That Facebook is a danger to democracy is after all an opinion, not fact.
She showed me that cancelling Facebook years ago was good for more than 1 reason. Marks muttering over basic questions were "no" she asked him poignant specific questions. She told him to answer yes or no as the format dictates. There is no debate for what she was asking. There were no gotchas. Just amazingly simple questions that anyone who actually cared about the topic could answer. Esp if he said he would read the material previously. None of her questions had legal consequences. If he told the truth.
He had time to respond when the answers were yes. I didn't even know that sellout ben Carson even got in his ass for redlining.
This was probably the most important exchange on civil rights during the hearing.
How did you come to this conclusion?
Facebook is isn't a broadcast network. It's unregulated and can reject/censor any ads it wants. Cable networks are still free to reject campaign ads, and even broadcast networks are free to reject issue ads from candidates (like the Trump vs migrant caravan ad) so what makes you think the FCC will magically come to regulate Facebook?
Generally, the people from Europe thinking this are white people, before implying racism isn't really an issue in Europe. Most minorities know better.
Race as a biological construct doesn't exist among humans, therefore racism can't exist. AnsWeR ThiS.
It should be noted, that these line of questioning are completely valid. If facebook is to be the global face front of global currency, they should allow no form of manipulation, which they allowed during the election.
Yup. 100% this. TV, Paper and Radio stations have to abide by standards to ensure that they can't broadcast/print bullshit. Now it's understandable that facebook and other online social platforms do not wish to be regulated by government agencies and would prefer to self-regulate. This was perhaps OK many moons ago given that it was believed that many in silicon valley/tech industry have some form of moral compass and self-decency. This is unfortunately not the case any more given how Zucky and friends are basically allowing anyone to say whatever for profit. It's a sad situation but if Zucky is willing to compromise decency and authenticity and truth for dollars then there's no way he can be trusted to "self-regulate". Either have an independent regulations board (filled with people of all demographics, race, ethnicity, age...free of racist alt-right fuckers who pass off as legitimate) that keeps social media in check (kinda like the MPAA for movies...I know its not perfect example but its a good start) or get the government involved. The days of trusting the boys at silicon valley to "self-regulate" and determine what questionable content is acceptable to profit from needs to end.
