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Anyone doing the Carnivore diet?
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I think a meat-only diet is a bad idea but I really don't understand this "we didn't evolve that way..." argument. We didn't farm for the first few hundred thousand years of existence. We didn't eat that many fruits, they could hardly have been around most of the year. Monkeys and chimpanzees, our closest relatives, eat mostly leaves, insects, barks, larvae, and small animals and even other monkeys.
We are omnivores but I don't really know scientifically what our body is "best" at processing, it doesn't seem logical though that fruit and veggies would be a year round staple given that our physiology is more or less the same as it was 20,000 years ago before humans developed agriculture, subsistence farming, animal herding, crop rotations, irrigation, etc.
I wonder if you could survive on just bugs, leaves, and tuber veggies (potatoes, onions) since that seems the closest to nature at the time of the evolution of homo sapiens internals. I also wonder why humans haven't evolved to better process the kinds of foods we eat now. What if future generations get REALLY good at processing high fructose corn syrup, lol
Of course the best anti meat argument is that every other predator animal eats it raw but if we do that we get sick, we have to cook it to eat it and that really implies its not that compatible with our body. Plus other animals have internal ways to deal with fur, bones, etc and we are super shitty (lol) about it.
Even low carb advocates don't recommend this diet. There's no evidence it's a good idea and there's no long term studies on it. Fad diets are fads. Just eat healthy foods in moderation you'll be fine.
Just as a matter of info I'm doing the 16/8 lean gains as we speak and it's 0% more effective than my usual eating in moderation regime. Im on week 2.
Just as a matter of info I'm doing the 16/8 lean gains as we speak and it's 0% more effective than my usual eating in moderation regime. Im on week 2.
Did this for a few weeks, and still do it almost exclusively (I have some nuts, and do use some plant-based sauces, because I lack the will to go full carnivore)
I like It. After an initial adaptation (of looseness, not constipation), bowel movements are fine. Satiety levels go through the roof, and weightloss just happens (if you need to lose)
There is plenty of science in support of this diet, and the fact that humans don't need fibre. In fact (and yes, anecdotes) but a lot of people find their digestive complaints (IBS, diverticulitis) go away with zero fibre.
I've been banned twice for saying this stuff before. But while I can I will urge people to look at www.meatheals.com and look up "The Carnivorous Human", a talk by Amber O'Hearn on YouTube.
Edit: Oh and please don't think this is an alt-right thing just because Jordan Peterson adopted it. Science works, even for those who want to deny it. Reality is nice that way.
I like It. After an initial adaptation (of looseness, not constipation), bowel movements are fine. Satiety levels go through the roof, and weightloss just happens (if you need to lose)
There is plenty of science in support of this diet, and the fact that humans don't need fibre. In fact (and yes, anecdotes) but a lot of people find their digestive complaints (IBS, diverticulitis) go away with zero fibre.
I've been banned twice for saying this stuff before. But while I can I will urge people to look at www.meatheals.com and look up "The Carnivorous Human", a talk by Amber O'Hearn on YouTube.
Edit: Oh and please don't think this is an alt-right thing just because Jordan Peterson adopted it. Science works, even for those who want to deny it. Reality is nice that way.
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im not really sure what the benefit of this diet is. Just skimming the stories on that website it seems like standard low carb success stuff, not because of protein only.
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Carnivores also prefer organ meats, which are way more nutrient dense than muscle meat.
To be honest, if you have no problems with inflammation, auto-immune disorders, or digestive problems, there don't seem to be any short or medium term benefits over and above the ketogenic diet. There is some evidence that it may be good for long term health, but I wouldnt say it is at all conclusive (and may never be, ethics and all)
Trying this diet basically just let me know that I don't need to be eating plants. Kids have the right idea on that at least.
i dont think i could do the carnivore thing for any length of time. It seems like it would be super boring and expensive.
I usually eat a pretty meat heavy diet, but even I don't think I could go meat only. Some days I eat only meat, like when I go to an all you can eat kbbq or churrascaria, but I could never give up pasta or breads. And when I'm cooking at home, while the dishes are still meat heavy, I tend to make a lot of stews/braises/sauces that rely on veggies for flavor.
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A lot of misinformed people in regards to fibre in here, sure eating fibre, the antinutrient, will make you sh!t but that's all its good for. Why bulk up your dumps when you don't have to?
Also regarding vitamins/minerals, they are in a carnivore diet and more bioavailable than they are in vegetables.
A lot of people say they couldn't do it because they would miss veggies too much, do people actually like them? Bar potatoes for chips I mean
Also regarding vitamins/minerals, they are in a carnivore diet and more bioavailable than they are in vegetables.
A lot of people say they couldn't do it because they would miss veggies too much, do people actually like them? Bar potatoes for chips I mean
I love meat but it would be a very expensive diet and the majority of studies show fruit + veg are healthier.
I think the health benifits come from this diet come from not eating sugar+fast carbs, going ketogenic and the reduction in calories.
I think the health benifits come from this diet come from not eating sugar+fast carbs, going ketogenic and the reduction in calories.
Diet ideas like this and the proliferation of them show why humanity is a blight on this planet.
it's not frustrating anymore. It's just sad.
it's not frustrating anymore. It's just sad.
What a bizarre bump.
Come outta nowhere, over a year after the thread died, with a meat-named account created shortly before the thread, only 51 posts, and say some weird ass-backwards shit about nutrition
- fibre is totally necessary to proper gut function. Without it, ideally 20+ grams per day, you will experience issues like constipation which open you up to way more severe issues (haemorrhoids, bowel cancer, hernia, etc)
- fibre doesn't just "bulk up your dumps". It ENABLES YOU TO DUMP. Without it, you will not shit, and your shits will be small and uncomfortable
- we know as of the 2010s that gut bacteria and microbiome is more important to overall health than almost anything else in your body. Guess what food DOES NOT enrich your gut biome, and can kill the bacteria in there? Meat. Guess what food IMPROVES your gut biome and overall health? Leafy vegetables
- you absolutely cannot get all your vitamins from meat. Eating a diet of 100% meat will give you a bunch of deficits e.g. calcium, vitamin A and vitamin C (which you can get but only if you but specific expensive products)
- implies people who like vegetables are lying as if french fries are the only tasty vegetable (biggest WTF in the post. worldwide, entire countries are almost 100% vegetarian)
After writing all this, I get the impression you were taking the piss with this post?
Uh, what? You think people are pretending to like veggies? Roasted veggies are fucking incredible.
These unbalanced diets seem so dumb to me. But to each their own I guess. Even though this particular one I can't imagine is especially good for the enviroment either.
Terrible for animals, terrible for the planet and terrible for your health. The trifecta of stupid.
Considering I only eat vegetables, I think I probably like them a bit
I once had a coworker eat this way. I still remember the day he told all of us and we all kinda listened with our mouths agape.
He exercised a lot and had big muscles. Guess he was definitely getting plenty of protein lol
He exercised a lot and had big muscles. Guess he was definitely getting plenty of protein lol
Someone I know has been cataloguing his carnivore diet on social media for a few weeks now and it looks fucking grim. Because he has no imagination it's just bacon, eggs cooked in a couple of different ways and steak every day.
Edit* We don't socialise or talk much after he went fully alt-right about 6 months ago.
Edit* We don't socialise or talk much after he went fully alt-right about 6 months ago.
This is just idiotic, I'm sorry. You need vegetables. Even keto diet is dumb (in the long run, though can be useful under supervision if you're morbidly obese and it's paramount to lose weight fairly quickly), but a carnivore diet is just the dumbest shit.
This is normal for someone doing a super low carb diet. One of the symptoms of being in ketosis
It's by dumbasses who think "soyboy cuck" is some kind of horrible insult. So mostly toxic alt-right macho idiots.
Sorry, not taking the piss. MeatSim is is not meat related, although I can see why you thin that. It is actually the name of a bot in Perfect Dark multiplayer.
- Fibre is not necessary and links have been posted in this thread to sources advising that.
- Fibre doesn't "enable you to dump" Are you stating that those on the Carnivore cannot take a dump? lol they can shit just fine.
- I do agree that gut biome is important for overall health but I don't agree that meat kills the bateria and degrades your health, that's crazy talk, humans have been eating meat for thousands of years, veganism is new to the scene.
- You state you cannot get all your vitamins from meat then state in the next sentence that you can?
- I just find it odd that people actually enjoy vegetables cause they don't taste of anything and certainly not the main part of most peoples meal. Guess what is...Meat!
Yup probably the same people that still believe that consuming soy is bad for men.
As someone who found a ton of success from keto in the past, do you not crave broccoli and leafy greens? All that fat and few veggies? Doesnt make sense to me
... What
Vegetables are awesome, dude. Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, bok choy are all amazing and that's only the B's
Bacon is the worst fucking meme. It's not even that great. Sausage and ham are far preferable
Lol. I also thought it might have been because of that Jordan Peterson cookbook
This sounds like some people just wanting to stick it to vegetarians.
This is wrong on so many levels.
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You don't die without fibre but it is linked to better health (it helps you absorb nutrients & feeds good bacteria) and decreased risk of some cancer types, among other things.
Fibre is good for your digestive system. Without (enough of) it your long term health will suffer and it increases the risk of some diseases.
Lol, imagine writing this and believing it is true. xD Veganism has existed for thousands of years too. The meat industry has just succeeded with its propaganda to make dumb westerners believe that it's somehow essential to have excessive amounts of meat everyday.
Maybe actually try eating some vegetables.They have plenty of taste. What the fuck am I reading.