Unlike the OP, this is actually a good example. I die on the hill and say that Grim Fandango is a bad game. The puzzle design is absolutely atrocious. It's obtuse frustrating and basically requires a guide. The characters and world is nice, but that can't save it when the level design is this awful. Grim Fandango is the perfect example for the thread title.
What parts of RE2 did you have to use a guide for?
It's a big assumption on your part that "everyone uses guides" - especially as the first step when met with even the slightest amount of challenge.
I literally beat Monkey Island on my own when I was five.
I have not revisited it since '98, but my memory of Grim Fandango is that it was "one of the bad ones".
Why do you believe this? There's really nothing in the game complicated enough that you would need to use a guide. The hardest puzzle is maybe the sewer one and that's just if you're really impatient. RE2 is simply not a good example. I thought this was gonna be something like the FFX-2 perfect ending, the Zodiac weapon's in the original XII, or the original Siren.
Maybe not a visual guide or whatever but you'll definitely need to look up stuff like punishes for your character and combos etc. You're also not going to learn stuff like KBD on your own. Unless you mean playing them at an extremely casual, button mashing level.
RE2 remake? Really? I mean the game is as self explanatory as it gets, if anything it's too streamlined after a certain point. The game only has 3(4 for Claire) puzzles, and they are extremely basic and easy to figure out. I might understand if you were playing RE1 remake for the first time, as it can be obtuse and not many people are up to the challenge of figuring everything out themselves, but RE2 remake...I honestly don't see how you can get stuck at any point, the path forward is probably the most obvious it's ever been in any RE of it's kind, it even pops up with main objectives like "Find the 3 medallions for the maiden statue" and throws it up on your screen for the first time (something I actually dislike since it seems like idiot-proofing, alas...) then of course the map flat out tells you rooms that have items you've missed, which doors are still locked. I feel like you have to be trying really hard at not pay attention to get stuck in a game like that.
You really don't. If you're gonna talk about being elite competitively you can say you need a guide for every game imaginable for speedrun strats or whatever. Fact is you don't need to know that stuff to play or finish a game. Christ most people that play Tekken don't even bother looking at the in game movelists and get than enough mileage from the game.
They're badly designed in a way, yes. In 2020 we shouldn't have to be looking up stuff like frame data for example, or paying for it in Tekken's case. DOA has done it since at least 5, DBFZ does it now too. There's no excuse. Fighting game tutorials aren't very good for the most part.
This is completely false. Trying to learn fighting games to the point where you have a good understanding of basic mechanics does not make someone an elitist snob wtf. There's no such thing as elitism in fighting games. If you're going to try and play a character that you know absolutely nothing about, and you don't know what the good moves are or what punishes and combos you should do then you're needlessly crippling yourself and might as well not even play the game. If someone doesn't even know what moves their character has then they're just mashing at that point.
I somewhat agree. I think all fighting games should have a decent tutorial and there's no excuse for not having one. But the thing is, you can look up literally everything from frame data to combos to technical stuff like some of the advanced mechanics because the community has made a guide, tutorial whatever for every single thing. If you don't mind doing a little research, you can learn almost everything about the game without ever needing an in-game tutorial.
I don't remember calling anyone an elitist snob. I am simply pointing out that the average player does not need to look at a guide to play or enjoy a fighting game. If you want to do that to play at a higher level fair enough. But it aint a requirement for the average player. Not everyone wants to play fighting games competitively. There's a huge casual audience for fighting games myself included.
I don't understand how someone can get enjoyment out of a game they know nothing about where they're just mashing mindlessly and hoping something hits, but to each their own.
RE2 remake is far, far easier. I think a lot of us are perplexed at how you could get stuck in it.
