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Mechaplum

Enlightened
Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,794
JP
What people says it's that flying feels great. And I agree with that.

But that's the surface-level analysis most people do. How things feel. Gameplay-wise, I think the flying system is a bit wasted, it isn't as tightly integrated into the gameplay like it could have been done. Say, having parts of combat where you also fight while flying (and not just hovering), maybe against enemy freelancers? Or have more enemies with energy based weapons that can be avoided (I mean, like a fireball from an Imp in Doom), and having enemies with more special attacks which can be avoided, making movement more important.

That's the thing though, the flight is just for traversal for the most part(and sucks on the KB+M). Ironman integrates flying and using the resultant speed and momentum extensively into his arsenal so I don't get that comparison either beyond exosuit and boom boom.
 

Ryuhza

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
11,425
San Diego County
Eish. I had a weird feeling about this one from the first reveal. That was some heavy duty vertical sliceage. Sucks though, I know people were looking forward to this, and Bioware's reputation has been getting tattered.
 

Kadath

Member
Oct 25, 2017
621
I don't want to piss in the cornflakes but gameplay isn't 10/10, or even 8/10. To be that it would need depth.

Right now you can't see what's going on half the time due to an excess of particle effects and pretty soon this "spectacle" will become more tiring than exciting. The other big problem is that all enemies are braindead, there's no functional AI here, and certainly not competent. They can aim precisely but these are nowhere close to interesting encounters.

It's very shallow.
 

Haribo

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
979
EA won't care if it sells well enough, which appears to be the case.

I'm thinking it will score late 70s, which a very respectable starting point for a game that will grow over time.
Its gotta sell more than Andromeda at the very least, which is dubious. I think this is gonna review worse. Basically Bioware is gonna turn into a stretch team for Jedi Fallen Order and that'll be the end of it. Hopefully they all get absorbed into Dice instead of the alternative but we've seen other teams axed for less than Anthem is about to pull.
 

Valdega

Banned
Sep 7, 2018
1,609
Inquisition is fantastic if you're a fan of the Dragon Age universe. The characters and the story were great. Especially with the Trespasser DLC.

I'm a Dragon Age fan and I enjoyed the characters and story in Inquisition. However, the level design was awful. Truly abysmal. It's like they looked at MMOs and thought "Wow, look at all these large, empty spaces with random MOBs roaming about and half-assed fetch quests. We should totally make all of our levels like this!"

Bioware has historically been bad at open-world (or hub-based) level and quest design. It seems to get worse with each release.
 

Andi

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,316
I never finished DA:I. I did leave the hinterlands though. ;)
I liked what I played, but then came witcher III and I never looked back.
Seeing that Anthem just isn't for me and me wanting to get my Bioware fix i might boot DA:I up agian.
I just fear that it won't hold up now. Are there any good mods (Graphic wise?)
 

Slaythe

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,828
I'm a Dragon Age fan and I enjoyed the characters and story in Inquisition. However, the level design was awful. Truly abysmal. It's like they looked at MMOs and thought "Wow, look at all these large, empty spaces with random MOBs roaming about and half-assed fetch quests. We should totally make all of our levels like this!"

Bioware has historically been bad at open-world (or hub-based) level and quest design. It seems to get worse with each release.


I feel like there are two kinds of feedback on Inquisition.

- Baffled by the level design, soporific battles, boring zoomed out dialogues, awful mandatory grind and mandatory mmo like fetch quests and just gave up on the game

- People that pushed through and managed to experience later better parts of the game / care for the characters and love it.


I'm the former. I felt actual pain playing through it.

Maybe I should try it again with a trainer or something. What I missed out has to be really amazing for people to think it makes its shortcomings tolerable.
 

dex3108

Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,570
Why won't they do anything to BioWare?

EA needs BioWare as much as BioWare needs EA. They trimmed their studios down a lot and if they are smart they won't bet on FIFA forever, so they need diversity. They don't have other RPG studio. They will probably just shuffle some things to make sure that development time is lower for future projects.
 

cowbanana

Member
Feb 2, 2018
13,663
a Socialist Utopia
Was Inquisition that bad? Christ.

I didn't like much about it at all. It's a slog to play through, way too bloated with meaningless filler and mediocre gameplay. The story is weak with a terrible, uninspired villain that drains the game of momentum, and I don't think I liked more than one or two of the supporting cast as most of them were terrible in my opinion. The game had some pretty areas, but I got tired of their abysmal, shallow content. Overall it is a bad "design by focus group / comittee" modern, soulless EA game. Definitely not for me.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
17,253
Midgar, With Love
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Was Inquisition that bad? Christ.

Inquisition is one of the best games BioWare has ever made — gorgeous and lush, with an all-star supporting cast and an incredible amount of excellent banter between them. Trevor Morris' score is pitch-perfect and I never grew tired of exploring and battling. I logged about 110 hours on my launch file and another 200 in 2017.
 

gschmidl

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Dec 3, 2017
122
Inquisition is one of the best games BioWare has ever made — gorgeous and lush, with an all-star supporting cast and an incredible amount of excellent banter between them. Trevor Morris' score is pitch-perfect and I never grew tired of exploring and battling. I logged about 110 hours on my launch file and another 200 in 2017.

Agreed. I didn't even like DA1 and never played 2 but put over 100 hours into Inquisition.
 

Moara

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,832
Inquisition was great. It definitely had a fetch quest problem but the combat and exploration was rewarding enough to move past that, something that Anthem is struggling with it seems like.
 

Slaythe

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,828
Ok so I gave up DA:I after a bit over 10 hours.

Most of my experience was crappy battles that took longer than they should ( played on harder difficulty tho hoping it would make them more exciting ), half the dialogues being zoomed out which made my brain not care for them, horribly slow progression blocked by fetch quests and mmo tier designs.

It was a chore. Got it day1 so it took a lot for me to actually give it up.

Do you have any advice to appreciate this masterpiece because I must have been doing something wrong clearly ?
 

Valdega

Banned
Sep 7, 2018
1,609
I feel like there are two kinds of feedback on Inquisition.

- Baffled by the level design, soporific battles, boring zoomed out dialogues, awful mandatory grind and mandatory mmo like fetch quests and just gave up on the game

- People that pushed through and managed to experience later better parts of the game / care for the characters and love it.


I'm the former. I felt actual pain playing through it.

Maybe I should try it again with a trainer or something. What I missed out has to be really amazing for people to think it makes its shortcomings tolerable.

The main story quests are generally pretty good. They're just surrounded by an ocean of incredibly half-assed filler. The Trespasser DLC was great because it focused on quality, not quantity. For some reason, Bioware has been focusing on the latter since DA:I. Maybe EA really wanted them to make open-world games?
 

MadMike

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,423
Looking to be about what I expected so far. I found the gameplay to be pretty mediocre during the demo. These games are inherently grindy, and they need to have excellent gameplay to keep people playing for hundreds of hours. Anthem doesn't. Definitely can't compete with Destiny or The Division on that front.
 

Deleted member 46948

Account closed at user request
Banned
Aug 22, 2018
8,852
It's not worse than andromeda to me. Andromeda was a slog, this game is actually fun to play. The problem is there is a ton of bullshit between actually playing the game that isn't fun. Andromeda was almost entirely bad and I played it from beginning to end.

About 20% of your time with the game is actually any conceivable kind of fun (the rest is loading, Tarsis, standing around on objective or dealing with bugs). If that translated to scores, a fair score would be 2/10.
Andromeda was sort of fun about 40% of the time.
 

Lyng

Editor at Popaco.dk
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,206
Looking to be about what I expected so far. I found the gameplay to be pretty mediocre during the demo. These games are inherently grindy, and they need to have excellent gameplay to keep people playing for hundreds of hours. Anthem doesn't. Definitely can't compete with Destiny or The Division on that front.

It very much depends on what you want out of your gameplay. For me, someone who likes tinkering with skills and doing teambased combat where we combo together skills this is much better than both Destiny and Division. The choice to use the guns as a supplement to skills makes it feel very different from Destiny and if EA dont give up on the game early this game has a ton of potential. Obviously if you want a game thats a good shooter with loot just go with Destiny.
 

Kilgore

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Feb 5, 2018
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Inquisition is one of the best games BioWare has ever made — gorgeous and lush, with an all-star supporting cast and an incredible amount of excellent banter between them. Trevor Morris' score is pitch-perfect and I never grew tired of exploring and battling. I logged about 110 hours on my launch file and another 200 in 2017.
My problem with Inquisition is that the third segment of the game is... too easy. It's supposed to be a tense momento before a huge final battle and I was like "driving Miss Inquisitor". 2/3 of the game are really good and fine.
 

Lyng

Editor at Popaco.dk
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,206
About 20% of your time with the game is actually any conceivable kind of fun (the rest is loading, Tarsis, standing around on objective or dealing with bugs). If that translated to scores, a fair score would be 2/10.
Andromeda was sort of fun about 40% of the time.

To be fair the characters, animations and voicework in Anthem is much better than Andromeda. Overall story is equally shit in both.
 

Deleted member 46948

Account closed at user request
Banned
Aug 22, 2018
8,852
To be fair the characters, animations and voicework in Anthem is much better than Andromeda. Overall story is equally shit in both.

I can't really appreciate the animation and voicework on account of how the story is a bunch of jargon thrown together onto a pile of tired tropes.
Plus Andromeda had at least one or two interesting party members, Anthem's quip machines make me want to punch them every time they open their mouth. YMMV, obviously, but I hated the story and characters here.
 

Lyng

Editor at Popaco.dk
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,206
I can't really appreciate the animation and voicework on account of how the story is a bunch of jargon thrown together onto a pile of tired tropes.
Plus Andromeda had at least one or two interesting party members, Anthem's quip machines make me want to punch them every time they open their mouth. YMMV, obviously, but I hated the story and characters here.

To each their own. I HATED everyone in Andromeda. They felt so cliche and tropey to me. While I have quite a few characters I enjoy in Anthem. They feel more natural and human to me, especially the women. Anita's help clearly shows imo.
 

darkwing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,947
About 20% of your time with the game is actually any conceivable kind of fun (the rest is loading, Tarsis, standing around on objective or dealing with bugs). If that translated to scores, a fair score would be 2/10.
Andromeda was sort of fun about 40% of the time.

damn, when you put it that way
 

kurahador

Member
Oct 28, 2017
17,532
Looking to be about what I expected so far. I found the gameplay to be pretty mediocre during the demo. These games are inherently grindy, and they need to have excellent gameplay to keep people playing for hundreds of hours. Anthem doesn't. Definitely can't compete with Destiny or The Division on that front.
Yeah....at least Destiny, The Division and Warframe has PVP for people looking to take a break from the grind.
 

Lyng

Editor at Popaco.dk
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,206
Yeah....at least Destiny, The Division and Warframe has PVP for people looking to take a break from the grind.

This is actually one of my biggest issues with Anthem. The fact it doesnt have pvp is, on paper, a good thing in a game where you want players to tinker with skills and go nuts in coop. Destiny's skills and usage of these is severely hampered by having to be tuned to pvp all the time...But if you dont have pvp you really need to offer tons of interesting pve content. Anthem just doesnt have that. I very much enjoy the strongholds, but that is in no way enough when pve is all you offer.
 

Deleted member 35071

User requested account closure
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Dec 1, 2017
1,656
I just played an hour of freeplay. No bugs. no load screens. Ran around with other ppl in the world doing world events. Had a good time. Flyings dope. Combats fun.

maybe i'll get bored when i get to max level or something. Who knows. But ppl talk like this games the worst thing they've played this gen. Yall taking crazy pills. This games way more fun than division....andromeda....warframe. All games i've put time into very recently.
 

Xater

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,905
Germany
I find the loot pretty pointless. It just seems to be the same guns and the odd compartment. Can you not get different armour sets like Destiny?

No, components just have armor values. The look is purely cosmetic and you either complete challenges for that or spend money. And yes seeing loot being level gated, with no variety and just numbers going up on the same 8 or something guns is the most boring loot I might have ever seen.
 

darkwing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,947
No, components just have armor values. The look is purely cosmetic and you either complete challenges for that or spend money. And yes seeing loot being level gated, with no variety and just numbers going up on the same 8 or something guns is the most boring loot I might have ever seen.

aren't legendaries just a reskin of basic guns also? why
 

GestaltGaz

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,991
I just played an hour of freeplay. No bugs. no load screens. Ran around with other ppl in the world doing world events. Had a good time. Flyings dope. Combats fun.

maybe i'll get bored when i get to max level or something. Who knows. But ppl talk like this games the worst thing they've played this gen. Yall taking crazy pills. This games way more fun than division....andromeda....warframe. All games i've put time into very recently.
I'm with you. I don't have the game yet (PS4) but the 2 demos I played were really fun even with the bugs and loading times. Looking forward to release and can't wait to get back in. I know this isn't the same for everybody, but I'm usually hard to please these days.
 
Oct 27, 2017
98
Australia
Maybe Anthem will be for me.

I plan to play mostly solo as I don't like other humans and I don't have a ton of time to invest, maybe 4-5 hours a week so I don't need this game to become my one and only time sink.

And from what I've heard the moment to moment combat is great, flying and exploration is great but the story and end game content isn't amazing.

Well, like Destiny I'm sure both will be fixed through the content pipeline so I think I'm gonna give this a go.
 

Ada

Member
Nov 28, 2017
3,731
Ok so I gave up DA:I after a bit over 10 hours.

Most of my experience was crappy battles that took longer than they should ( played on harder difficulty tho hoping it would make them more exciting ), half the dialogues being zoomed out which made my brain not care for them, horribly slow progression blocked by fetch quests and mmo tier designs.

It was a chore. Got it day1 so it took a lot for me to actually give it up.
I had the exact same experience. It was an mmo fetch quest grindathon.
 

Irrotational

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,134
I know people are going to dunk on me for this, but I actually like him. I hated him at first but the more the story progressed he grew on me. Overall his entire ark ended up great imo.

I liked Owen from the start and also quite enjoy playing the game...I think my opinions are wrong though :-(

Never mind
 

Pluna

Alt-Account
Banned
Jan 27, 2019
258
Funny to see all the people still hating on Andromeda. That is fine and all but I started playing Andromeda two weeks before Anthem came out and have since played 60+ hours and actually really like it. Way more than Anthem. There is a backstory to all the characters that is (imho) at least somewhat interesting. You don't have that in Anthem, not even your own character has anything comparable to what happened to Ryder in the beginning of Andromeda. It's all so shallow. It's so bare bones. And I don't understand when people say "well it's a loot shooter"... who says you can't have and exciting story and exciting character is a loot shooter. Heck the mission structure of Anthem, which is different than games like Destiny since it loads you into an instance from a menu, would be IDEAL to have a more unique story feeling with scripted stuff. To have it more on the "coop shooter" side than pure "loot shooter". But they didn't capitalize on any of that. They probably looked at other loot shooter and said "that's good enough for us too".
 

Nuclearaddict

Member
Oct 25, 2017
586
Was Inquisition that bad? Christ.

No, but it comes to a hideous crashing halt when you hit the masquerade ball quest. Took me forever to pass that section and after it was all done it sucked so much life out of the game for me that I just ended up dropping it completely.

Everything before that was really great.
 

Legacy

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
15,704
61 pages is A LOT for only a few reviews, none of the big sites either.

That being said, I'm interested to see where this lands on the IGN review (assuming the reviewer actually plays the game), they have been promoting it a lot recently.
 

Abominuz

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,550
Netherlands
I can say the core gameplay is good and the fun factor is there and i still have faith, but here are so many things wrong with the game its insane they will release it like this. The last couple of days i can barely play because of crashes and rubber banding. I do not see this fixed for Friday. I have played the private beta and the open demo and now early access, and still the same problems. Worst part is from the technical side the private beta ran fine for me and no problems. The demo and early access is almost unplayable for me, i do not know what the hell they did.
 

Ronin1138

Banned
Jan 10, 2019
246
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If this game doesn't meet expectations its finally going to happen.
 

Ronin1138

Banned
Jan 10, 2019
246
Thisis something I thought on for a little. I think Fallout 76 burned out a lot of the general goodwill gamers had for the industry, and reveiewers might be not as lientient as they were in the past on companies.

Good Finally.

For almost a decade now reviewers have been waaayyy too lenient on garbage to medicore games from large publishers all while great games from smaller devs or foreign developers got ignored. This has been a long time coming.
 

Slaythe

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,828
61 pages is A LOT for only a few reviews, none of the big sites either.

That being said, I'm interested to see where this lands on the IGN review (assuming the reviewer actually plays the game), they have been promoting it a lot recently.


That's because the game has been out for days. And people have been lukewarm while reviewing it.