And andromeda had 5 years
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DA2 yeah thats on EA. Their recent output? Not really.
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Anthem Review Thread
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DA2 yeah thats on EA. Their recent output? Not really.
Honestly, nothing I've read on the game seems to be EA's fault beyond it not being ready for release. It's not like it has glaring monetization issues, it's mostly design stuff and that's basically all on Bioware.
That is part of the problem I see if they were under Ubisoft. They would slowly stop being an independent resource and instead just be part of the massive resource pool they shove on whatever project needs the most help.
Cuts both ways. They would, in theory, have an amazing pool of resources at their disposal to make whatever they were after. In a hypothetical world where Bioware still exists separate from EA and owns all their franchises, that'd be a very appealing thing.
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And what's amazing about this is the phenomenal success that single player titles like God of War, Spider-Man, and Witcher 3 this generation have had.
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These types of games exist solely to extort as much time/money as possible of the player. The whole experience seems to be balanced around addiction triggers and hijacking your attention, not providing you with a meaningful game experience or try and push the medium forward.
There's a reason we see the usual megacorp players all bet on the same horse. I'm happy that they all seem to fail spectacularly tho, at least critically. Bunch of creatively bankrupt hacks, the lot. Bioware sold it's soul when they joined EA and and I'll gladly see them offered up to the pile of closed studios if they can become detriment to other studios making the same mistakes.
There's a reason we see the usual megacorp players all bet on the same horse. I'm happy that they all seem to fail spectacularly tho, at least critically. Bunch of creatively bankrupt hacks, the lot. Bioware sold it's soul when they joined EA and and I'll gladly see them offered up to the pile of closed studios if they can become detriment to other studios making the same mistakes.
They don't all fail spectacularly though... that's just an outright lie, lol. Some of them have grown into critical darlings in many ways, too
Yeah, you are probably right. Ubisoft has developed a stellar track record for post launch support and ensuring games become what they need to be.
didn´t stop this Gamble guy from tweeting non stop about stuff that will be added and what not, this game was in pre release damage control since the first VIP demo. sometimes, talking is silver and silence is golden, the more promises came the more suspicious this whole thing got
star citizen has been in development for 6 years and they actually have a whole system with different planets ships and gameplay mechanics and when i play anthem i really wonder what the devs at bioware did all those years
I'm aware of EA's business model but the market for those kind of games is incredibly competitive. You can't expect to release a somewhat middling experience when you know you'll be competing with heavy hitters like Fortnite. By the sounds of things, Anthem isn't a bad game it just isn't a particularly good game and that's probably enough to kill this franchise in the cradle.
Good thing Apex Legends has turned out well for them. At least Respawn is safe now. I fear for the future of Bioware though.
They have been incredibly successful and profitable, but when compared to the average $/player they pale in comparison to FIFA and Madden which is why EA pursues maximizing margins even if SP is demonstrably profitable. EA doesn't care if it makes money, they only care if it maximizes it's monetization potential. It can lead to incredible results, but it can also blow up in your face.
Are the Bioware that people like even still there or were even there 3-5 years ago?
Maybe they left, Frostbite spanner in the works, change to more action slickness sucking development time, resources that was never their thing. I think they've just transitioned over a rocky period while talent left and it's never come together properly, stumbling along and rushing.
I think it's just unfortunate. Sometimes you just can't stop tripping when things don't go your way with someone looking over your shoulder. Maybe it was mis management, talent drain, cohesion loss but it was probably a number of things.
Maybe they left, Frostbite spanner in the works, change to more action slickness sucking development time, resources that was never their thing. I think they've just transitioned over a rocky period while talent left and it's never come together properly, stumbling along and rushing.
I think it's just unfortunate. Sometimes you just can't stop tripping when things don't go your way with someone looking over your shoulder. Maybe it was mis management, talent drain, cohesion loss but it was probably a number of things.
DICE is having very similar problems and they are still working on stuff 100% in their wheelhouse
Something is wrong with EA as well.
This is a good point. The developers will eat this and it's really shitty.
Was pleased that you can build a vanguard in crackdown 3. Charge (level 3 strength ability) with Shotgun Cryo Ammo. Also ground pound is like the vanguards nova. Also like to equip SMG its nice and fast like ME2 tempest
I for one would like to see their gantt chart. No way their feature complete live candidate build is scheduled for the 22nd and not a week earlier.
You can't be serious with this post. Using SC as an example of good development schedules LOL.
Sorry, but that's a lot of emotions for microtransactions. A game can be both an enjoyable experience while having a constant monetization model. It's everywhere.
And how are you any better for wishing for a studio's closure? Fuck hundreds of people, right? It's for the good of gaming as a medium!
Come on... This thread has enough overly dramatic posts as it is.
They don't of they deliver a product that is up to today's standards. Fail to deliver on a 60 dollar promise and you will get dragged through the mud, deservingly so, as is the case with Anthem, as it was with Destiny 2 and as it will be with the devision 2. People are getting less tolerant with each botched attempt.
Dice Stockholm as head studio have released 5 games in a recent span of time. I don't think they suffer from bad management per se, rather they lack time given.
Even with the lack of dev time they still release decent games. They definitively need more time but that's an EA problem.
Even though they pretty much follow the same formula, it's quite impressive how they manage to release so many games in such a short amount of time.
Not that it's a good thing but still impressive.
Bioware however had years upon years.
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Today was the day that you needed to compare Activision favorably to the similarly scummy EA. How do you feel?
Yes but at the same time you have to say to yourself..... they gave em 6 years. The last thing you want to do is fall into a sunk cost fallacy when you're running a company. Bioware doesn't have clout of a dev like Rockstar where you can give them an entire gen to make a game and know you're likely to make your investments back.
If Bioware were working on a DICE cycle, I can only imagine the games we would get. F76 would be a masterpiece in comparison.
What's wrong with EA is that Ultimate Team makes billions of dollars a year. Internally every game has to compete with that, and the best way of doing it is just looking for the closest model and applying it. I wouldn't say Ubisoft's plan, for example, is that different (turn every game into gaas, bet on continued time/money investment) but they seem to have a lot more pride and desire to make good ass games accompanying those delivery systems, and stretching their creative muscles. Maybe they are just lucky that their games have a more honest appeal, or like Jeff Gerstmann says, it's probably a lack of real creative identity and personality from the top at EA that's put them into such a shit cycle of duds.
You were just talking about launch states? If so then yes, I'm inclined to agree.
At some point you are in so deep you may as well swing for the fences and try to get that new franchise. The comments from the EA execs show how they are super mindful about how Wall St percieves their momentum (or lack thereof) more than anything else. I don't for a second believe Anthem was in full production for 6 years. This game should have realistically been delayed again but you can't because of the FY implications. That's EA in a nutshell. It doesn't help that Apex probably cost a fraction of what Anthem has and is wildly more successful.
But it's a week. The game is finished at this point. I doubt whatever's in the "day one" patch is going to fix people's problems with this game.
There wasn't like, any mass exodus or anything. It's not the same studio it used to be, but that applies to the vast majority of studios as old as it used to be.
There's been staff turnover, for sure, but not at any unusual kind of date or anything that signals doom. I think in general people focus too much on individual people leaving, and say "The studio is a shell of its former self!" everytime they put out a disappointing game. Sure, staff come and go, but with proper management they can keep things focused, hire good talent, keep the same general work and design ethics, and you won't even notice. I kinda get the impression BioWare is fucking up on that part.
I'm not railing against microtransactions. I'm railing against products that are sold to us for 60 dollars that obviously are not ready yet, and where meaningful content either had to make room or was obviously chopped up to create artificial longevity and throw up more speedbumps. All in an effort to hook you on the grind. I adore overwatch, LoL, Apex legends and many other games that get the monetisation models right. You know what sets them apart? A high quality product out of the gate, set at the right price.
Also, I'm not wishing Bioware to foreclose, but I will not shed a tear if they succumb to the pressure to forego quality in return for the quickest ROI.
These takes are so dumb. Basically the "git gud" of armchair game development.
"JUST BE ONE OF THESE TWO FIRST PARTY GAMES OR BE THE GAME OF THE GENERATION 4HEAD."
You realize you just described one of the reasonings that results into a sunk cost fallacy?
That is literally every MMORPG or loot shooter ever when it comes to questing or final content. That's the entire point of the content, to dangle the carrot in front of you. Again, there is legitimate complaints on this game despite its fun nature, but that there is grind in the game is not a complaint, especially when reviewers are painting it negatively and asking for the reward to be given straight away.
Ubisoft already has a fantastic loot shooter with the Division, and if the demo holds true Division 2. Ubisoft house is full.
I am. But I consider the end-game of the initial release as part of the launch state. These games are often enormeous investments of time and money that start at 60 bucks. We deserve quality at those levels of buy-in.
No that would be absurd. Almost as absurd as thinking anthem didnt have a large budget.
Pretty much what I expected but... it's sort of concerning that even a pretty generous and positive review has to end with a caveat that the game is in dire need of content, fixes, and updates. But I imagine this is where most reviews will hover around. The game has fun elements hampered by a lot of flaws. Some can, and I imagine will, be patched out eventually. Others... are more integrated into the foundation of the game itself.
I think most of us predicted this would be where it landed, even when we were hoping way back during development.
It's frustrating Anthem wasn't the game to break this curse. I wonder who will be the first...