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Another shooting in Seattle's (CHOP) police-free autonomous zone kills man and critically injures 14-year-old boy
- Thread starter Armadilo
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details are still unclear, but it sounds like 1-2 cars had guns and drove past/through CHOP, and CHOP's own security detail shot at one of those cars, resulting in the death/injury
My understanding is it's becoming a dumping ground for gang shootings because of the low police presence.
Been there once but it's not like I've seen this stuff happen.
This makes it seem like someone outside, stole a car to get into and shoot ppl and the security (guards along the border) took them out?
I know there were some white supremacist trying to stirrup mayhem in there.
I think there's one man and one boy. The man died and the boy was injured badly.
Capitol Hill Occupation Protest Security
That's right, they're CHOPS.
1 teen killed, 1 injured after 4th shooting near Seattle's CHOP
One teen was killed and another was critically injured after a shooting in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood Monday morning.
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1 teen killed, 1 injured after 4th shooting near Seattle's CHOP
One teen was killed and another was critically injured after a shooting in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood Monday morning.
I think since they called a 16 year old male a "man" it's fair to say the person is probably not white.
So the "security guards" shot them? Maybe if you're gonna kick out cops for being abusive you shouldn't be fucking shooting teenagers to death.
They need to end this failed experiment already.
They need to end this failed experiment already.
I don't see how these "autonomous" zones don't end in anything but disaster. I don't think they help anyone, tbh.
You know, I can't stand long dead European political theorists that missed the mark, but I feel like it's pretty indisputable that there needs to be an authority to maintain the social contract
You'd have to compare crime pre and post-CHOP for that area before you draw any wider conclusions. For many parts of the US these kinds of shootings are "routine".
The issue is people drawn to these positions of authority generally tend to be people who want to abuse it. It's why the idea that simply replacing the police with any other form of institituion such as volunteers will solve the problem is naive. Because the people who are going to want to volunteer for these jobs tend to be problematic in the first place
My understanding is that shootings are not routine in Capital Hill.
This is definitely a spike, 4 shootings in about a week is ridiculous. Especially for Capital Hill which is a fairly affluent area. However, it's likely not CHOP itself but rather others coming in from surrounding areas to do their business.
What started out as the plot of a bad 70s dystopian sci-fi movie seems to have mutated into the plot of a bad 70s dystopian sci-fi movie.
This is a Thought Slime video and it's a bit old, but it's an interview with somebody who was inside the autonomous zone and predates this latest event, but gives a different perspective from media coverage of the area for those not familiar with it:
The victims of the shooting were 2 black males confirmed by Chief Carmen Best. 16 year old died and 14 year old is in critical condition. Do not take what Omari wrote as facts. He is not a journalist. There is a lot of misinformation coming from the CHOP.
Capitol Hill is not a neighborhood that typically has 4 shootings in 10 days. It's affluent, LGBTQ friendly, and has many restaurants/bars.
Who is CHOP staffed by? What are the recruitment and retention procedures? What internal procedures do they have for investigating use of lethal force? What training has been given in de-escalation and use of non-lethal conflict resolution? Which authority has oversight on training and deployment, and how in the few weeks since their inception has reliable and responsible training been given? Where does the line between CHOP and federal oversight fall, and who governs that? In terms of widespread public disturbance, who is 'Gold Commander' and where does the liaison with wider Government response come from? In other incidents where police have traditionally been the 'first respondants' to secure and command the area, such as chemical spills, biological incidents and radiation leaks, have CHOP been given equivalent training, equipment and PPE? What firearms training is given, and where are the firearms issued from? Are issued firerarms test fired for ballistic data prior to issuance? Are CHOP officers bound by law to wear bodycams, and bound by the rules of evidence surrounding law enforcement collation of evidence such as notebooks, fingerprints, forensics, DNA and basic crime scene procedure?
This was five minutes' thought on my part. As you can see, I have questions.
This was five minutes' thought on my part. As you can see, I have questions.
Replacing cops with random armed citizens isn't any better really. Who put them in power, what's their qualifications, what's their structure or rules even? Wild west suddenly, the ideal situation is a zone with no guns and armed security at all, CHOP is nothing more than a militia at this point.
True, this is why a police force needs thorough screening to weed out psychopaths. But apart from that, they also need a proper training regimen to teach officers calm and restraint in life threatening situations, and how to deescalate those situations. You're not getting that with American cops, and you're not getting that with CHOP guards or any other vigilante force, be it left wing or right wing.
It's why the idea of community policing is dumb, community policing without the proper know how of restraint and deescalation is just mob justice and mob justice can easily devolve into chaos. You're right back where you started.
So I am not that familiar with this thing but are you telling me that they removed the police then some assholes with guns came to keep the peace? If what I understood is right then what's the fucking point? If people are still getting shot then nothing will change.
For peace to work you need people who don't resort to violence or shootouts. It needs to be the last thing they try to do.
For peace to work you need people who don't resort to violence or shootouts. It needs to be the last thing they try to do.
All these questions can be answered by simply correcting the ridiculous misconception that CHOP is not, I'm fact, it's own country.
If it's true that the people in the jeep started firing into CHOP first then it's a shrug for me. Sounds like CHOP security doing a good job.
If not then there's serious problems.
Its not unusual for there to be 1 or 2 murders in that park a year. 4 shootings in a couple weeks is way above the baseline though.
There is nothing there, there is no chop security, there is no chop council, there is no chop leaders, there is no chop spokespeople.
A bunch of people live in tents nearby now and some people hang around in the block and half that the city let them keep.
That's it.
I have lost all respect to this channel because of this video.
I know CHAZ = clicks, but this is just so shit.
This makes more sense, thank you. The media reports all mention CHOP security like its an 'official' or organized movement, maybe stemming from an existing private security company or similar. After I posted, I tried to find out more about who 'CHOP Security' was, and the only results link to the recent media stories that started this thread.
There isn't even an attempt to control the "gates". There aren't even gates. This is not closed from all sides and most of it is open to car traffic now.
We don't know and likely won't know because there will never be a real investigation. Evidence is already tampered with, nobody will talk, police investigation will be pushed back by protesters.
This is not any form of anarchism I am familiar with.
This more than anything seem to me like a libertarian oil rig fantasy without the racism and homophobia.
Not really shocking this appeal to the burning man crowd.
Libertarians still support state-run police forces. Even the really radical libertarian fantasies like Objectivism are still built around the idea of a "state monopoly on violence" to protect private property.
Zero police is more an anarchist or communist thing. Communism's end game is the state just dissolving at some point because it's no longer needed.