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Anita Sarkeesian Tweets about barely any female characters in first two eps of Mandalorian. Goes about as well as you'd expect.
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Lol the baby doesn't talk or anything though. I guess it could be female.
She said nothing about speaking roles. She's talking about gender, not the ability to communicate.
Someone didn't read the OP or the tweets they are posting about
While you aren't wrong, I do think it's important to note a few things. Mandalorian has episodes that are directed by three PoC. Episode 9 is not actually the first Star Wars thing to have a black woman on the supporting cast, on the top of my head you have the mechanic from Resistance, Saw Guerrara's sister and if we go books we have a few black women there as well.
Star Wars has been making strides in representation but still has a ways to go.
I know Mandalorian has those episodes directed by PoC. The first Star Wars director ever to be a person of color was Famuyiwa on episode 2. I mentioned that. I'm glad that's finally happening, but it sucks it took so long.
Solo is the first Star Wars film to have a black woman in a prominent role of any kind (and she's killed off before the movie even really takes off).
The franchise has obviously made progress, but slower than many of us would like, and it's still got quite a ways to go, on camera and behind it.
While she was wrong in her example, and I do think that it's a little exhausting to judge a season some sort of problematic sexist mess based on two dialogue light episodes, I agree with her point that there could have been more women side characters.
Like the "I have spoken" character could have just as easily been an old woman.
Also the speeder driving character played by Brian Posehn as a quirky comic relief character could have been played by Kristen Schaal.
Like the "I have spoken" character could have just as easily been an old woman.
Also the speeder driving character played by Brian Posehn as a quirky comic relief character could have been played by Kristen Schaal.
Well, I was waiting that the big surprise would be something like Metroid at the end of the season
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Wow, her entire existence completely left my mind. How's she been? Everything okay? She definitely knows what she's doing repeatedly going after need culture. That's easy money. Can't knock the hustle.
the armorer/ blacksmith in episode 1 anybody?
the show has been light on characters, and that's okay
one important female character is set to join the main cast
the show has been light on characters, and that's okay
one important female character is set to join the main cast
What on earth? Sarkeesian has consistently been intersectional across her work.
Can I ask if anyone has mentioned that we have 2 female directors, one being a PoC , who is directing 2 of 8 episodes? I mean that's a plus right there for the series as we have women behind the scenes too.
Yep and all it took for me to find out was a 10 second google search, but then JDSN couldn't tell us their shitty hot take about how a POC is bad at intersectional feminism
Been waiting for this. Wish at least one of them would have been introduced with a significant role in the pilot.Can't wait for
Why does having a lack of female characters in the opening episodes directly equate to 'normalising the patriarchy'? I feel like these sort of tweets are half intended to stir the pot and incite the backlash and trolling.
There may be a discussion to have, but going from naught to 100 in a tweet isn't the best way to go about it.
There may be a discussion to have, but going from naught to 100 in a tweet isn't the best way to go about it.
Jon Favreau made a movie starring himself where he was romantically involved with Sophia Vergara and Scarlett Johansson at the same time. He made a movie where 15 year old Kristen Stewart is in boxer shorts for the majority of the movie, and also frozen in place so that she can't talk or contribute to the story in a meaningful way. Not to mention the Iron Man movies didn't treat Pepper Potts with any real respect until the one Favreau didn't direct. I don't ever go into a Favreau project thinking that I'm going to see something progressive.
They are two freaking episodes in and the pace is purposefully slow AF... I mean... jeeze louise.
I'm talking about the pilot. I'm still watching the show.. relax.
No idea how to feel about this. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong about pointing this out, certainly not enough to get this type of reaction. But then I saw this tweet
was RETWEETED by a woman who I follow on Twitter who I would consider to be pretty decent in terms of her views, from what I've seen. So I'm conflicted. I guess I need to become more concrete in terms of my own views on this type of stuff instead of just following what others say. Become better at forming my own opinions without outside guidance essentially.
was RETWEETED by a woman who I follow on Twitter who I would consider to be pretty decent in terms of her views, from what I've seen. So I'm conflicted. I guess I need to become more concrete in terms of my own views on this type of stuff instead of just following what others say. Become better at forming my own opinions without outside guidance essentially.
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I agree and would defend almost every point and observation Anita has ever made. She writes extremely well and her premises deserve careful consideration. THAT SAID, I get so tired of being piled on and seeing others piled on when one dares to suggest that while her content is extremely sound her tactics are counterproductive. It happens, it is toxic, it is bullying and I don't care how one wants to frame it otherwise.
go look at that twitter user's youtube channel and come back
Huh:
Double huh:
I follow like 13 people, none of them alt-right shitbags, like at least
So, i mean, it's not me. I have to wonder what it is about June that makes twitter want to recommend alt-right shitbags to me.
If Star Wars had a big budget series in which little-to-no men had any presence or speaking roles, you know how people would react.
We saw how people reacted to multiple women being on screen at once in the last major episode, even for only a few moments.
I said retweeted, not tweeted. I don't follow June and had never even seen her twitter account before now. The twitter account I was talking about doesn't normally post or retweet that kind of stuff which is why I was confused as it seemed out of character for her.Huh:
Double huh:
I follow like 13 people, none of them alt-righ shitbags, like at least234 out of the 5 chuckleheads twitter recommended to me upon landing on her page. (I dunno who lauren chen (oh, blaze tv. alt-right shithead) is, and while i suspect David Rubin is alt-right, I'm not sure, so benefit of the doubt(looked him up, he's an alt-right shit bag) (i don't know much about armoredskeptic, but he was pretty transphobic in his review of bill nye's show. I think he dates June)) From another, more innocuous person I do follow:
So, i mean, it's not me. I have to wonder what it is about June that makes twitter want to recommend alt-right shitbags to me.
Oh,okay. I apologize then. (I wasn't trying to cast any aspersions on you, just on the person who made the tweet)
That's one of the reason i never been a fan of sarkeesian... She made some really good points that need to be adressed, that much is true, the problem is she often targets things that doesn't deserves these kind of criticism! Like she just want to go after the biggest thing around at the moment so that people will talk way more about it... And sure we should talk more about it, since these issues still happen, but in these cases it's really counter-productive imo
One of them came on ERA (who had 7 million views on his "criticism" video) and got banned for dying on the hill of calling Rose a dumb Asian bitch.
No surprise that Anita sets them off. All it takes is to get one detail wrong and her entire point is then apparently destroyed.
Star Wars being the biggest thing around is precisely why people should be talking about it - she's not "going after it" like it's some poor defenseless puppy.
Oh definitely, disney doesn't need any defense, there's lot of thing to criticize from them! Wasn't trying to imply disney were helpless victims or something, sorry i wasn't clear enough about that
I just think this particular exemple doesn't do any good in that case, cause even people who share her opinion will go against her, as seen on this very thread..
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I don't follow your logic? Disney doesn't need protecting, and people are allowed to have opinions without being dogpiled due to their gender and status as a prominent feminist.
It's not like the gist of her opinion is completely off. She was wrong about there being no speaking female characters, but it's kind of obtuse to say that her point is completely wrong. If every speaking character in the first episode was a woman, people would've said "this is weird, is this like galaxy for only women or something?".
This is what she means by talking about normalizing patriarchy, since the show in the first episode, has barely any room for women.
Pepper is the lynchpin for Tony in those movies. The first one went into how he couldn't survive a week without her assistance to look out for himself since he didn't even know his own social security number, his extravagant lifestyle was framed as bad, she's the one who keeps Tony from fucking up with his womanising and is who runs the company while he's away being a super-hero. As well as being responsible for landing the killing blow on two of his enemies. The key person who got Tony to have a revelation about his weapons being misused was a woman reporter who hated his guts. Without her motivation Tony never becomes a super-hero.
The first Iron Man movie revolved around Tony Stark rejecting his roots as a war manufacturer and learning his company was being undermined by an international criminal who was funding terrorists with state of the art tech. Iron Man 2 was about Tony doing everything in his power to keep his suits out of government hands and when the government did have them it was a horrible mess which allowed a super villain to cause a terrorist attack. How is that not progressive?
I see that we are still at the point where a tiny inaccuracy is more important than the wider point and thusly we must ride this train to oblivion forever instead of reflecting on the fact that maybe there is actually a problem that can and should be addressed.
I mean, for fucks sake, how are we still doing this?
I mean, for fucks sake, how are we still doing this?
This is true, but the problem Anita and others seemed to have is the early optics, rather than any inherent bigotry on part of The Mandalorian's crew.
It's not just feminists that have noticed this either. A quick browse of "The Mandalorian" on reddit and you'll quickly find a certain kind of fan praising the return of "true" Star Wars for not "needlessly stuffing in women" or "pandering to the SJWs." They're not even hiding exactly what their problem with the ST is, or why they love The Mandy so much. (Please, before anyone dog piles me, I'm not implying that everyone who dislikes the ST is a misogynist. I'm talking about a very specific subset of fans who keep making it abundantly clear that they get triggered at the sight of women.)