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Anita Sarkeesian Tweets about barely any female characters in first two eps of Mandalorian. Goes about as well as you'd expect.
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The Mandalorian armorer is a woman and speaks in the first episode. And seems to have a pretty important role in Mandalorian society.
The second episode is fairly accurate but it mostly features Jawas so I'm not sure that's a strong point. Episodes to come seem to feature women prominently.
The second episode is fairly accurate but it mostly features Jawas so I'm not sure that's a strong point. Episodes to come seem to feature women prominently.
I know what her tweet was about.
"But there are women all over the marketing" is not an appropriate response to "hey, where are the women with speaking roles on this TV show?", and that'd be true even if the whole season was out already. Their presence doesn't mean anything besides the fact that they exist and will show up at some point, but we have no idea how substantial their roles are at this juncture.
I think her criticism is premature, but that reply still stinks and is used a ton in these discussions centered on the concerns of marginalized demographics.
Never ever.
And that's that on that.
fucking on point for this forum to do the same thing twitter just did and the OP lamented but in tamer terms.
1. you can judge a thing within a set of parameters. (the first 2 episodes).
2. the armorer is a throw away and not worth remembering.
1. you can judge a thing within a set of parameters. (the first 2 episodes).
2. the armorer is a throw away and not worth remembering.
The armorer was the second most memorable thing from the first episode.
This aswell. Her argument is not only premature but to me she is making a really bad argument. It's not the first time she has made false claims regarding big sci fi franchises aswell.
Oh nice this is great news, Of course KK means a lot but I meant more " new " talent getting chances but that Obi Wan news is the best step
Every women that cares about real issues after reading her tweet.
I honestly can't think of any time guys have complained there were too many female characters.
Is that due to it never happening because of a patriarchal mess, or guys preference for women on screen?
there's also probably only been 6-7 minutes of dialogue in total
These tweets are completely nonsensical.
Even ignoring the fact that we're only two episodes into The Mandalorian, and it was known prior to release that Gina Carano (among others) would play an important character in the story, Anita seems to deliberately look at the show in a vacuum, when Star Wars in general has been one of the most progressive big media franchises for years now, in terms of equal gender representation.
Rey? Jyn Erso? Qi'ra? Hera Syndulla, Sabine Wren, Ahsoka Tano, Second and Ninth Sisters + Cere Junda (from Jedi: Fallen Order)... the list goes on, and I'd be willing to bet that once The Mandalorian has concluded, you'll have even more names joining that list. These tweets are going to age rapidly, and age poorly.
Even ignoring the fact that we're only two episodes into The Mandalorian, and it was known prior to release that Gina Carano (among others) would play an important character in the story, Anita seems to deliberately look at the show in a vacuum, when Star Wars in general has been one of the most progressive big media franchises for years now, in terms of equal gender representation.
Rey? Jyn Erso? Qi'ra? Hera Syndulla, Sabine Wren, Ahsoka Tano, Second and Ninth Sisters + Cere Junda (from Jedi: Fallen Order)... the list goes on, and I'd be willing to bet that once The Mandalorian has concluded, you'll have even more names joining that list. These tweets are going to age rapidly, and age poorly.
Yeah, this was the actual issue- gender was secondary but added to how tonally off it felt. In a series that had repeatedly had dino-on-person deaths be a) background fodder, b) karmic retribution or c) a side effect of a dangerous job, this was none of the above and was instead a gratuitous, elongated scene of her just being ripped apart. It's an absolutely bizarre scene for a Jurrasic Park film. It make slightly more sense in context of the second film effectively turning into Resident Evil w/ Dinos (and in the process showing why Dino Crisis isn't nearly as interesting as R.E.) but is still something I can't believe made it into the film as-is.
I've always thought this as well, Disney has terrible diversity when it comes to directorial vision because they keep hiring the same type of white male director from similar backgrounds and social circles and only reach out if it's "fitting" for the subject of the movie (Black Panther, Captain marvel). A lot of it is on Disney's end, especially seeing their track record with the promotion of LGBT characters, there's like literally none.
Considering all 4 of those films came in the last 4 years, and the lack of presence of women/people of color behind the camera/in the writer's rooms still leaves a lot to be desired, nah.
Besides, she's talking about the Mandalorian, specifically.
Yea if someone has watched these first two episodes and doesn't Immediately see the parallels with " The man with no name" character and instead wants to start a sexism, representation dialogue.
Like... ok I get it, but they're clearly going for a specific thing with these first two episodes
Insecure men love to trash women that point out problems. It's that simple.
I seriously thought there was something wrong with my settings. My first reaction to this thread was, "how could she tell, all the characters were in the dark."
Good points. 'The Mandalorian" has been really good but I want the Obi-Wan show so bad. There is so much legends lore about later years Obi that they could pull into canon that it makes my head spin and Deborah Chow is awesome.
It's Twitter, she can't be surprised that she was beset idiots who argue in bad faith. Place is a cesspool
Considering she says that the Mandalorian is normalizing patriarchy I feel like the argument goes beyond the show
To be honest though, her argument in this case is not only in bad faith... She is just wrong here.
Yes, people can jump on people incredibly fast when they mention some things, but it works the other way round. If it is mainly Male roles we see in the first two episodes, why don't you wait and see how the rest of the series goes before accusing? Especially as we've seen SW shining a spotlight on female characters recently.
Chow directed episode 3 & 7 of the Mandalorian too.. so maybe we'll see [more] talking women tomorrow?
Ghostbusters
Ocean 8
Basically when a remake takes a male cast or character and gender flips them.
Most films with a all female cast tend to focus towards the female demographic and males don't even bother seeing the films unless word of mouth is good. Like Charlie's Angel's.
And I can't think of too many TV shows with a all female/majority cast that's enjoy by both men and women outside of My Little Pony.
Overall: From my what I've seen filmmakers are quick to say audiences are racists, sexist, or whatever need be as to why their action or comedy films failed. When in actuality it's a lackluster movie that simply doesn't resonate with audiences.
That statement isn't incorrect because of whatever the movies are doing. Because, again, she didn't say Star Wars, she said the Mandalorian.
I still think that take is premature, but I'd ask how often men are told "be patient, the male characters of substance are coming up soon".
But then how is it a "quota" when the vast majority of the characters in a show are male? Anything other than a straight white male is part of a "quota" or some "forced diversity"? It's rubbish.
Eh I don't know if it's in bad faith, sounds like she just made a mistake? But she certainly was wrong
huh?
have you seen the mandalorian completely already or something?
or are you talking about cowboy bebop?
There's a fairly wide gulf between a show that's been running 8 seasons, and one that's aired 2 episodes.
Not relevant. Telling women to wait for representation is kind of silly. What "quota" are you talking about, do you want to address that?
Let's not forget that the Original Trilogy subverted tropes by making Leia into an action hero, soldier, general, and leader.
Leia's third scene in ANH has her shooting stormtroopers and saving Luke, Han, and Chewie's ass.
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Anita has been quiet lately and the Mandalorian is HUGE. Makes sense...
She mentioned this in the thread, so I don't get where you're coming from calling this a bad faith argument.
yeah that's my guess. I'm not reading the responses because f that, but people falling all over themselves to dogpile is sure gonna make anyone defensive, especially someone who's been the victim of targeted harassment campaigns. It wasn't a GOOD response but it's an understandable one and I think people just need to back off.
of course is silly,
im just saying that characters need to be introduced when the story better fits it, no?
or you rather have a major character appearing and do absolutely nothing, just so you can say "there it is! She didnt do anything but there she is!"
i would rather have an great character even if it is introduced later in the story than a troublesome one since the first minute.