I love Xenoblade and all, but I won't lie, this shit is literally indefensible.
I cringed so fucking hard the first time I saw it I had to turn the fucking game off.
Girlpower is another WTF moment.
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"Anime games" being sort of controversial among Nintendo fans is ridiculous
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I love Xenoblade and all, but I won't lie, this shit is literally indefensible.
I cringed so fucking hard the first time I saw it I had to turn the fucking game off.
Girlpower is another WTF moment.
Are some of you guys serious comparing Ed to Pyra?
Like even if you want to argue, Ed's outfit is a normal outfit teens like her could wear depending on how hot the weather is. It is nowhere near as pathetic as the trashy strings belts rag collection Pyra wears.
Like even if you want to argue, Ed's outfit is a normal outfit teens like her could wear depending on how hot the weather is. It is nowhere near as pathetic as the trashy strings belts rag collection Pyra wears.
😂
The dialogue choice was between Yes and Yes.
Top tier stuff right here lol.
It's incredibly embarrassing. So was the entire chapter about the maid androids.
My God, LMAO. Even ignoring the writing, this is some Kingdom Hearts tier cutscene and voice direction. This is unwatchable.
I wasn't comparing them in quality, I was saying that I think there's a difference between Cowboy Bebop having a character like Faye versus a show like MoR's treatment of female characters, which is something that kind of bounds around in like-minded works.
I did say as much that old anime had just as much trashy, exploitative work, and time just filtered it out. Bringing up Master of Ragnarok wasn't to say it was What Anime Is Now versus the Chad Anime of Yesteryear.
Truth be told, I'm surprised at how the reactions to Xenoblade 2's character designs aren't worse here. I'm not a fan at all, but the game mechanically is actually quite good. I won't however recommend the game to anyone who isn't already completely desensitized to oversexualized anime female characters and tropes.
The original, however, by all means, great game. There's a fine line between being approachable anime, and being repulsive/cringe anime or ecchi whatever you want to call it. Sure, it varies among people, but I'm sure most would agree that over-sexualization/pervy/fan service-related tropes in anime are where they draw the line. Not saying all anime is like either. As a casual fan of the medium, it's all about the demographic they want to appeal to.
The original, however, by all means, great game. There's a fine line between being approachable anime, and being repulsive/cringe anime or ecchi whatever you want to call it. Sure, it varies among people, but I'm sure most would agree that over-sexualization/pervy/fan service-related tropes in anime are where they draw the line. Not saying all anime is like either. As a casual fan of the medium, it's all about the demographic they want to appeal to.
You're not wrong...but I have to admit. I was laughing my ass off when they got to Giga Rosa.
The fucking slide with the spinning mech cockpit sequence...it was fucking amazing.
Tora the horny rabbit with a maid fetish and little girl maid robot.
For the sake of a better argument, you should probably cite anime people actually do think is good (and not obvious trash Master of Ragnarok) and also avoid mistakes like confusing Sweetness and Lightning with Usagi Drop. :P
This... has to be a joke, right?
Lmao, Mythra as in the same Mythra who will constantly panty shot you during her actiony cutscenes unless you put her in the DLC outfit, is "tasteful"?? And let's not pretend Nia doesn't get done absolutely disgustingly dirty later on. Pandoria unnecessarily has her shirt open so her bra hangs out, and Patroka literally isn't wearing any pants despite all of her male colleagues being covered head to toe excluding their faces.
Brighid I could personally excuse if she was the one token sexy design, but as it is she's just another example on a pile of 840324903 other hyper sexualized designs.
I will reiterate that I was, specifically, trying to argue against the idea that Cowboy Bebop is as bad as the kind of anime that gets the "trash otaku pandering" complaints, using a show like Ragnarok that exemplifies those qualities in full.
If I mentioned a good modern anime like, say, Zombieland Saga and Mob Psycho 100, I obviously would not bring it up as lacking compared to Bebop, since the kind of anime I like tends to avoid those obnoxious tropes to begin with.
Anime is a loanword from English. It just means animation - cartoons.
Almost every single Nintendo property has a cartoony (read: anime) artystyle. Getting upset that Nintendo, a Japanese company, is adding too many characters whose designs are influenced by Japanese cartoons into their cartoon fighting game is absurd.
Almost every single Nintendo property has a cartoony (read: anime) artystyle. Getting upset that Nintendo, a Japanese company, is adding too many characters whose designs are influenced by Japanese cartoons into their cartoon fighting game is absurd.
Nia looks different for like 4 scenes total, Patroka I admittedly don't remember, Pandoria mirrors Zeke, and I wasn't considering the camera because that's a whole separate issue, which I can actually agree was an issue. But the main cast isn't so terrible imo
i mean you could used something like slime and shion though that might get people uspet after todays episode
How can someone like Mario but not this :0 clearly makes no sense.
They lost me when they said Berserk
when that show has female characters in either boob armor or see thru wet clothes
oh don't get me started with multiple rape scenes one even involves a farnese naked almost getting raped by a demon horse
Ah, fair.
Still, I think it would have been better to compare Cowboy Bebop in that aspect to other anime if its era instead of pulling a random garbage anime from three years ago out of a hat.
I will, again, for the second time, clarify that I was talking about Berserk's detailed artstyle, and not its actual story content, because it was part of a broader point of "what Westerners have come to define as the typical 'anime' look isn't viewed as favourably as specific points like the work of Naoki Urasawa."
I can't think of any off the top of my head because the march of time that's aging my bones to dust has boiled the entirety of 90s anime down to Irresponsible Captain Tylor for me.
I'm sure it exists.
I'm remarkably picky when it comes to anime esthetics in games. Certain designs are an immediate road block for me. Same with some tropes. Just absolutely hard out when they show up. Xenoblade 2 falls squarely with in that. Like it's supposed to be really good. But i can't the stand of the look of the characters. If i gotta spend a hundred hours looking at a character, you hope the designs would have a little less anime bullshit
Give me one, then, let's see if it beats Sonic kissing a human. Kingdom Hearts III didn't, that game is actually worse than that cutscene.
Though that exemplifies the point others are making in that, given time, the only titles from today people will remember twenty years from now are the ones that become classics. Some things will be remembered for being notoriously awful, but in twenty years, all of the crap isekai LN adaptations of today will be forgotten.
This kind of thing is exactly the problem. If more shows looked like
The opinion of people in the West who don't really watch anime shouldn't really matter.
Yeah exactly, which is what I said in that earlier post above and stated earlier in the thread, vs. the other, separate discussion I was having regarding Cowboy Bebop being on the exact same level as crap isekai LN adaptations because Faye is drawn in provocative clothing.
Like, you are saying the things I already said. We are on the same side on this.
You'd think so but we're in a thread predicated on the idea that they do, for some reason.
My goodness.
It almost feels like jrpg's to a large extent (at least since the ps2 era) were meant to cater to primarily 12-16 year olds, but then picked up an unexpected audience, and the developers just went with it. Not unlike what happened with MLP. Xenoblade seems like it caters more towards the lower end of that age bracket, while the edginess of Final Fantasy is more in line with the upper.
LOL
This is what a story cutscene looks like in Xenoblade 2(this example is from Torna):
The earliest example is more like a skit from Tales, a voiced dialogue scene(and an optional one at that). The games tend to have a hard split between un-voiced dialogue, voiced dialogue and full cutscenes for budget reasons.
We had that with NieR Gestalt but the scourge of ANIME is taking it away.
(I am quite excited for Bro Nier coming westward)
This seems a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle better than Kingdom Hearts. Very little. Perhaps worse in voice acting, but the cutscene direction has at least some more exciting imagery every now and then.
The vistas in this game seem to be amazing, and I can see the combat system maybe being interesting, but God it's hard to watch the characters doing story things. It's literally Nintendo's Kingdom Hearts.
Ok, this is actually decent. Redo all of the voice acting and it may actually be good.
Not nearly enough "cutting to everyone's faces so they can react to the slightest thing" to be Kingdom Hearts-tier. This beats Sonic kissing a woman.
All of the Xenoblade games always had an atriocius english dub (that sometimes spawned some worthwhile meme). I dodged a lot of cringe by just playing with Japanese voices and subtitles in my language
Tired Detective Anime Dad in P4 is good
back then they gave xbox the sad dad and Sony the anime
How times change!
It was funny that you play as bro nier in the dlc, but iirc they don't identify him at all
IIRC how it's contextualized in the NieR DLC is that Brother Nier is "Young Nier", or Papa Nier as he was at that age.
I think Replicant also uses Papa Nier's model for the DLC, but I never confirmed that.
Yeah audio language can be set separately
I played XC1 in English once for the memes, it was fun but then I set voices to Japanese and never looked back ever since. I didn't even bother with the English dub on this one and clips on the internet of it definitely did not make me regret that choice
I think that caring about what others like or don't like is a monumental waste of everyone's time *shrug*
Yeah like, if I was a Xenoblade 2 fan and saw everyone going "nooo I hate this, it sucks*" I'd just be all "cool story but it sold well so I'm happy, I'm just gonna keep playing."
*The only part where I don't think this is up for debate or the lack thereof is regarding the character designs, which are providing a legitimate barrier of entry to an audience who might even really want to play the silly anime game if the characters weren't well, drawn like that.
