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"Anime games" being sort of controversial among Nintendo fans is ridiculous

dodo

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Weiss said:
I mean if Cowboy Bebop's fucked up too then realtalk I am gonna start saying shit like "all anime is trash" because god that's depressing.
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I mean I don't know if I'd say cowboy bebop "fucked up." faye is just an incredibly hypersexualized character, and that's basically what a lot of people mean when they complain about anime art in this thread. so just naming three seinen properties that are full of the same sexualization, just with more detailed art styles, as an example of what would fix people complaining about anime was kinda funny.

for the record i really like all three of the things you listed, they're just not going to convince anyone of anything. they're more squarely aimed at teen boys and men than practically any nintendo game people are complaining about here
 
Castform

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Mendrox said:
Look but hopefuly you don't mean that anime should be like those series (well except for 20th Century Boys). If someone tells me about Bebop they can just right look at Faye who even has a XC2 like design lol
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You, a wise sage, these are extremely similar.
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Like there's "sexy" (but still looking like an actual human being in actual clothes that get worn), and then there's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. There is no comparison between those two works, unless you really need to defend Titninjas: The Video Game's views on women.
 
Weiss

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Nikus said:
The issue isn't really anime, it's modern anime.
80s and 90s anime is fine, like, you mentioned Phantasy Star in the OP. Give me a modern RPG with Phantasy Star 2 artstyle and I'll love it. But instead we mostly have whatever trash Xenoblade 2 is.
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Well, I do have to nitpick this. Old school anime is just as trashy, we've just had all the really bad shit filtered out over the years for an easy list of Top Ten Anime of X Decade.

Like, Apocalypse Zero came out in 1999.

Hailinel said:
Isn't that just excusing people that conflate all similar looking anime as cut from the same cloth and will fly off the handle at five randomly chosen seconds of Sweetness and Lightning because the one of the main characters is a kindergartener?
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In the sense that they're never going to be interested in anything anime for whatever reason, yes. For the uninitiated anime is just a style and a series of tropes, and it ain't their bag.

Like, do you care about American comics? Do you need to read a certain amount to confirm your disinterest? It's more than just Marvel and DC but a lot of folks are gonna have to go on a deep dive before they found something they want amidst the sea of bad superhero comics.

(isn't Sweetness and Lightning that show where the girl grows up and marries her dad?)

dodo said:
I mean I don't know if I'd say cowboy bebop "fucked up." faye is just an incredibly hypersexualized character, and that's basically what a lot of people mean when they complain about anime art in this thread. so just naming three seinen properties that are full of the same sexualization, just with more detailed art styles, as an example of what would fix people complaining about anime was kinda funny.

for the record i really like all three of the things you listed, they're just not going to convince anyone of anything. they're more squarely aimed at teen boys and men than practically any nintendo game people are complaining about here
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Oh good, so we are just talking about Faye.

Yeah I think there's a difference between a show where one of the characters is a sexy lady and, like, Shield Hero or whatever.
 
dodo

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Castform said:
You, a wise sage, these are extremely similar.
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Like there's "sexy" (but still looking like an actual human being in actual clothes that get worn), and then there's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. There is no comparison between those two works, unless you really need to defend Titninjas: The Video Game's views on women.
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did you have to look really hard to find faye wearing that many layers or did you just post streetwear fan art on accident

Weiss said:
Oh good, so we are just talking about Faye.

Yeah I think there's a difference between a show where one of the characters is a sexy lady and, like, Shield Hero or whatever.
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now do berserk
 
Big Yoshi

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anime fans pretending there isnt a difference between a general anime aesthetic an "UWU I FELL ON TOP OF HER BOOBIES OWO CHARATER PETTING MODE".

Everyone has different tastes regarding how much "anime" bullshit they can deal with, but the idea that games like breath of the wild and xenoblade 2 are the same in their "Animeness" is ridiculous
 
Ryuman

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Castform said:
You, a wise sage, these are extremely similar.
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Like there's "sexy" (but still looking like an actual human being in actual clothes that get worn), and then there's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. There is no comparison between those two works, unless you really need to defend Titninjas: The Video Game's views on women.
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That is not Faye's outfit lol. Her actual outfit is a lot closer to Pyra.
 
Astral

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Castform said:
You, a wise sage, these are extremely similar.
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Like there's "sexy" (but still looking like an actual human being in actual clothes that get worn), and then there's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. There is no comparison between those two works, unless you really need to defend Titninjas: The Video Game's views on women.
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I mean, I agree with you but why the fuck would you post THAT as your example of Faye? Lmao.

This is Faye. And she is mega sexualized. Not as stupid looking as XC2 characters but still.
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dodo

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i like anime and specifically really like faye. great character and fun design. but these posts acting like she is somehow like Elevated Horny compared to other anime are just incredible logic pretzels
 
Chalphy

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Nintendo is very much a big tent kind of company, and there will be different groups of people that gravitate to different games they release. I know people who basically just play Mario and Kirby games, and have no interest in other IPs, whereas myself I like to try a little bit of everything. That's just how it goes with a large company like Nintendo, so I don't find it too strange.
 
PlanetSmasher

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At least Faye is a femme fatale, that's kind of her whole deal.

Pyra is supposed to be a respectable adult, and yet she dresses like a stripper who did a bunch of uppers and then blacked out in a costume closet.

The framing of the two characters is completely different and it makes Pyra feel demonstrably worse.
 
ClickyCal'

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I also watched a little bit of Detective Conan way back, like early 2000's. I vaguely remember it, but wasn't it pretty tame overall? I just remember liking the mystery stuff.
 
Weiss

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dodo said:
did you have to look really hard to find faye wearing that many layers or did you just post streetwear fan art on accident



now do berserk
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Never seen it, just know it's popular and the art is nice. I did stress "look", after all.

dodo said:
i like anime and specifically really like faye. great character and fun design. but these posts acting like she is somehow like Elevated Horny compared to other anime are just incredible logic pretzels
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Like I said, I feel there is a difference between a character with a sexy design and, like, Master of Ragnarok, the show where the main character buys an eleven year old girl as his slave and everyone is okay with this.
 
Hailinel

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Weiss said:
In the sense that they're never going to be interested in anything anime for whatever reason, yes. For the uninitiated anime is just a style and a series of tropes, and it ain't their bag.

Like, do you care about American comics? Do you need to read a certain amount to confirm your disinterest? It's more than just Marvel and DC but a lot of folks are gonna have to go on a deep dive before they found something they want amidst the sea of bad superhero comics.
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There's a lot more to American comics than Marvel and DC cape comics. But reducing anything to tropes is just foolish. It's no different than in the '90s/early 00s when anime was stereotyped as tentacle porn.

Weiss said:
(isn't Sweetness and Lightning that show where the girl grows up and marries her dad?)
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Jesus Christ no. What the fuck are you even talking about? It's a slice of life show about a widower learning to cook so he isn't feeding his daughter frozen dinners every night.
 
Renteka-Bond

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AquaWateria said:
This is my problem when people generalize anime by a specific category tbh. There's more to anime than Otaku bait like you are seemingly alluding to. There's actually more variety than ever tbh.

One of the best anime out there called Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū was made and it didn't need to look like those anime you mentioned.

Edit: Also you mention Berserk but even that series has some questionable stuff in it lol
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The problem is that it's the Otaku Bait that largely flows into the Anime-styled games. Stuff like Cowboy Bebop or Showa Genroku don't get anime styled games, but we have an abundance of Persona and Sword Art Online wannabes.
 
Redcrayon

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Chalphy said:
Nintendo is very much a big tent kind of company, and there will be different groups of people that gravitate to different games they release. I know people who basically just play Mario and Kirby games, and have no interest in other IPs, whereas myself I like to try a little bit of everything. That's just how it goes with a large company like Nintendo, so I don't find it too strange.
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I agree with this. I pretty much only use a Switch these days as the last portable left standing, but have little interest in Pokemon, Smash or Animal Crossing, or even 3D Mario outside of a connection to the 2D games of my childhood. Fire Emblem and Zelda are the main first party series I play, the former I didn't even know was a thing before the EU releases on GBA/GC.
 

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Project Triangle Strategy has an anime art style but atleast from the demo, there's no fanservice so far. No hotsprings scene, no women acting like children and hitting the guys, no pervert trying to grope anyone, no loli dragon, no petting women for bonuses, etc.

Would like more "anime" games like this coming out of Japan.
 
FreshYoungDoggo

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Nintendo is a big company and their strength is they can makes games that appeal to different groups.
Not everything they make or their development partners make is gonna appeal to everyone and that is fine.
It gets annoying when a group shits all over something they don't like with the "who wants this" at every opportunity.
 
Crayolan

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Fire Emblem and Xenoblade are successful franchises now, people need to get over it. It's not like they're being made at the expense of Marios or Zeldas or Metroids, considering who makes them.
 
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Hailinel said:
There's a lot more to American comics than Marvel and DC cape comics. But reducing anything to tropes is just foolish. It's no different than in the '90s/early 00s when anime was stereotyped as tentacle porn.


Jesus Christ no. What the fuck are you even talking about? It's a slice of life show about a widower learning to cook so he isn't feeding his daughter frozen dinners every night.
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I'm saying that it's easy to generalize about something you already don't care about and never will. Every single sport is just Sportsball to me, that doesn't make me "foolish" it means I don't care enough to learn about it.

(Sorry about that, I got it confused with Usagi Drop)
 
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I don't generally care for games with anime art styles. I didn't 10 years ago either...but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I can look past it for a great game, but it's always a turn off for me initially.

I also don't get mad or upset if a game has that kind of art style. I just go "oh thats probably not for me", and move on. And I think most people probably do the same with any kind of art style they aren't a fan of.
 
Weiss

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Crayolan said:
Fire Emblem and Xenoblade are successful franchises now, people need to get over it. It's not like they're being made at the expense of Marios or Zeldas or Metroids, considering who makes them.
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I think these are two separate issues but with a huge amount crossover given the audience.
 

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Some people don't like anime styled games regardless if they like other games from the company making them. I really don't understand the premise. If someone likes non-anime style Nintendo games, they have to like every other type of game Nintendo makes? You can be a fan of a company and only like a subset of their output. Personally I have tried some of Nintendo's anime-ish games out of overall trust in the company and mostly regretted them.
 
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Mendrox said:
So what about Ed who has also been sexualized?
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Do you mean Faye?

Big Yoshi said:
anime fans pretending there isnt a difference between a general anime aesthetic an "UWU I FELL ON TOP OF HER BOOBIES OWO CHARATER PETTING MODE".

Everyone has different tastes regarding how much "anime" bullshit they can deal with, but the idea that games like breath of the wild and xenoblade 2 are the same in their "Animeness" is ridiculous
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Yep. It's like they're being deliberately obtuse.

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Project Triangle Strategy has an anime art style but atleast from the demo, there's no fanservice so far. No hotsprings scene, no women acting like children and hitting the guys, no pervert trying to grope anyone, no loli dragon, no petting women for bonuses, etc.

Would like more "anime" games like this coming out of Japan.
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Indeed. Hoping the full game avoids this crap too.
 
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As someone who loves anime styles (well, many; I hate stuff like One Piece's art and a lot of the generic Your Name. type character designs), I'm always shocked by how many people will trash a game just for it looking "anime." Almost like it's a badge of honor to not like anime? It's just weird. And not all anime is created equal. Nobody lumps all of western animation into one category the way people do anime. That said, it's fine to have tastes and not like the visuals; it's more the extreme "anime = trash" reactions that get old.

However I'm also an ace girl who likes some fanservice-y designs just because I think they look aesthetically pleasing with big boobs and thigh-high socks and all lol, so I may admittedly have an outlier of a viewpoint. Like, I LOVE Soulcalibur's character designs, and they are fanservice as hell with the women other than Hilde.

I will say that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is very "eww" with its fanservice. Dahlia is literally disgusting looking, like not even hot at that point so exaggerated lmao. But other Nintendo games having, say, Camilla in FE: Fates? I don't see anything wrong with that, if the character is an adult.
 
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i'm pretty sure there are people who just outright hate the style, i mean i believe some places i don't know if anyone here did it attacked astral chain for having that style when it really didn't have much of if any of the more otaku shit that era hates
 
bottledfox

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Xenoblade 2 isn't bad because of its sexualized character designs. The writing is inconsistent, too.
 
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Mendrox said:
So what about Ed who has also been sexualized? Berserk is really questionable. Have you read Berserk the past few years? Elfhelm? I know where you are coming from, but there are better series to choose from.
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You going to have to explain yourself here, because I totally understand issues one would have with Faye's design. That's obvious. But Ed? Ed is not sexualized at all, at least nothing comes to mind at all unless there is some kind of supplementary material that I'm not aware of or something. It's the opposite, if anything, they made Ed look more like a tomboy since the whole schtick of her first appearance is that everyone thinks she's a boy.
 

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It's not really the anime art style that's unappealing, a lot of times it's the crappy dialogue and voice acting they choose to show in the trailers. Sometimes it's not even dubbed and then gets passed off as a "weeb" game immediately.
Anime games need better writing and VA's.
 
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People shit on XC2 but the main cast is perfectly fine besides Pyra.
Mythra and Brighid are sexy but still tasteful, Nia and Morag are fully covered, Pandoria is passable, Patroka has normal clothes I THINK.

Also don't tell people Zelda and Pokémon are anime lol
 

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Aleh said:
People shit on XC2 but the main cast is perfectly fine besides Pyra.
Mythra and Brighid are sexy but still tasteful, Nia and Morag are fully covered, Pandoria is passable, Patroka has normal clothes I THINK.

Also don't tell people Zelda and Pokémon are anime lol
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Rex is probably the dumbest most annoying main character in any game I've played in recent years. It goes beyond the sexual stuff. It's the whole package
 

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Imagine thinking this looks ugly, like everyone who says that "it's just modern anime that is trash":

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Rest in Peace, Futoshi Nishiya, legendary character designer and animation director. I will most definitely miss his touch in whatever the brilliant Naoko Yamada brings us next.

Weiss said:
Like I said, I feel there is a difference between a character with a sexy design and, like, Master of Ragnarok, the show where the main character buys an eleven year old girl as his slave and everyone is okay with this.
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This I get and agree with, but I find it hard to take it as an argument made in good faith, considering this is the first time I'm hearing about this Master of Ragnarok, it has low ratings on Crunchyroll, with 1/5 being the most common score, and on MyAnimeList, with the featured reviews that appeared to me being scored 2, 1, 1 and 1, out of 10.

It's also apparently a 2018 anime, same year as the following:

Megalo Box (which is about to get a second season this year, can't wait!)

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Liz and the Blue Bird (also directed by Naoko Yamada with character design from Futoshi Nishiya)

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Mirai (personally didn't love this one, but it's still beautiful to look at and Hosoda means it's a must watch)

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Maquia (with art from Akihiko Yoshida, and Mari Okada's directorial debut. A lot of people don't like her work as a writer, so this one I realize may be more divisive)

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And I Want to Eat Your Pancreas (which doesn't look as impressive as the others, but looks fine enough)

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You see what I mean? Why is it in an year like 2018, the anime brought up as the high standard for "modern anime" to be put up against an all time classic like Cowboy Bebop is fucking Master of Ragnarok? "All modern anime is trash as long as I ignore everything that isn't", I guess. You yourself fought against the idea of revisionist history acting like there wasn't a huge amount of trash back then too in this thread, but you kind of do the same here. If our point of comparison is Cowboy Bebop, we should at the very least try to choose works we believe will stand the test of time, instead of forgotten before the season ends.
 
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