I would like to hear from those individuals who Joe claims can corroborate his story.
Yeah me too. It was a whole event in a venue and it wasn't that long ago.
I would like to hear from those individuals who Joe claims can corroborate his story.
The cease and desist would shut her down. She cannot go out and say, "I accused him, he had his lawyers sent to me, and that's what happened" cause she'd get sued and dragged through the legal system.
Your method means literally there is no discussion, the allegation disappears, and a victim is silenced by the legal system.
Your method is this:What exactly is my method? I've made a point of saying I'm not sure how best to handle actuations like this as a community. Point taken about the importance of continued discussion.
What she is not allowed to do is lie about me or defame me to the public and suggest that I am a sexual predator when I am not. If her defamation continues, I will be forced to take further legal action.
I have been in the public eye for 12 years now
What was decent about him going at her with a cease and desist while also acting very controlling via "What she is not allowed to do is lie about me or defame me to the public and suggest that I am a sexual predator when I am not. If her defamation continues, I will be forced to take further legal action."Honestly, I don't think anyone can choose a side until more information is given. You can't discredit her story and he gave a decent response.
At this point the only thing we can wait for are the receipts.
He didn't break any law, although it seems like Joe wants her to accuse him of assault just so he can deny it. (??? I guess that's easier than admitting he acted like a creep?)Serious question - If what she posted is true, what law has Joe broken? Some folks are saying to take it to the courts to get to the bottom of it, but I'm not understanding what folks have in mind.
Also, I'm a bit surprised that Joe wasn't more apologetic in his response.
What was decent about him going at her with a cease and desist while also acting very controlling via "What she is not allowed to do is lie about me or defame me to the public and suggest that I am a sexual predator when I am not. If her defamation continues, I will be forced to take further legal action."
If anything, his entire statement proves he doesn't support or believe victims. He is doing the things you shouldn't do. But it's happening to him, so he cannot let that stand.
I'm a lawyer. Although I don't practice in the tort of defamation, him going to a lawyer is not evidence of his liability/guilt or his innocence. For example, if someone was defaming me in some way, I would also seek legal advice and ask to send a demand letter to the person responsible. I would not immediately sue the person because it is very expensive to go to court, and often times a demand letter can result in a settlement and a release.
This is all to say that going to a lawyer is not indicative of anything. NOTE: I'm not denying or devaluing this person's claim, I am simply confirming why seeking legal advice shouldn't be used as a indication of guilt.
Serious question - If what she posted is true, what law has Joe broken? Some folks are saying to take it to the courts to get to the bottom of it, but I'm not understanding what folks have in mind.
Also, I'm a bit surprised that Joe wasn't more apologetic in his response.
Another part of what makes this so unnerving is that the nature of the sexual harassment story, as many of them tend to be, are all about power, control, and intimidation. Then when you look at Joe's response:
Telling her what she's not allowed to say, explicit legal threats, and throwing his status around all fit with that same pattern of behavior.
I don't mean to use this as evidence, but knowing Joe is an anti-SJW and gun advocate already colours my personal view of him, and his willingness to be aggressive and belittling in pursuit of his interests fits uncomfortably well into that pucture.
I'm a lawyer. Although I don't practice in the tort of defamation, him going to a lawyer is not evidence of his liability/guilt or his innocence. For example, if someone was defaming me in some way, I would also seek legal advice and ask to send a demand letter to the person responsible. I would not immediately sue the person because it is very expensive to go to court, and often times a demand letter can result in a settlement and a release.
This is all to say that going to a lawyer is not indicative of anything. NOTE: I'm not denying or devaluing this person's claim, I am simply confirming why seeking legal advice shouldn't be used as a indication of guilt.
I don't know if it's the one-sidedness per se. I can hardly fault someone for denying that claims against them are true. But there are different ways you can frame that.This is why the tactic is so blatant. It's completely centered around what he thinks it's not a lie. It's one-sided.
That's fair, read it wrong.He never said being a gun but makes him that. He said he is a gun but and may also be lgbtqphobe.
SPOILER clip where he says a transphobic slur that is said in his comments section without censoring it. The way he says it so casually makes me think he's said it before privately or even publicly.
Reading all responses, he seems to have an audience of hooligans accorded to his view.
And so, if he only let the vendetta as a solution, that's what he will get.
It sounds to me like he chose his words VERY carefully when describing the shower situation. He's specifically saying that he didn't suggest, mention, or offer sex. But her exact words were that he asked her to join. It bothers me that he didn't specifically say this. Also, the "she's an adult" part was gross.
Maybe it's possible for her to pull the phone records for the date it occurred?
You can request it from ur service provider i think.
It might be hard tho cuz it's been long but like when i look at details bills for tmobile it'll show call logs.
It'd help prove he did the thing where he called his phone with her phone?
Yeah but in his version he doesn't mention a phone call at all and says it was thru dms.hmm. it'll prove he did call her, but it won't prove if he did it while it was in his possession. so many nuances that can be asked if this goes to court.
In a c and d order, the person the order is against is not allowed to talk about the situation further but the person who had the c and d put in place is? That seems a little backwards.
Anyone that accuses some one in public should have proof. I don't know who tells the truth here but you can't just come and accuse some one which will ruin his/her career and reputation. Angry Joe should bring it to court.
Johnny DeppCould you name someone whose career is actually over because of allegations?
All his movie castings and other stuff were dropped. His career was literally over at one point.Johnny Depp | Actor, Producer, Director
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Johnny DeppCould you name someone whose career is actually over because of allegations?
This exactly. He's probably ready to defend himself by saying it was clearly a joke if it ever comes up.Ha ha - come up to my hotel room with me, it'll just be a second, nothing weird about that, just until the table is ready
Ha ha - oh whoops gonna go get naked in here and I guess I'll just take a shower now, completely normal with a stranger in my room
Ha ha - you can join if you want BUT OF COURSE it's just a joke though but just putting it out there ... but maybe? Ah just joking ... but am I?
Ha ha - you can also sit next to me on my bed, as humans do
Ha ha - come closer to me on the bed to view photos on my phone
Ha ha - let me take a photo of you in the bed with me cause I'm a funny guy
Oh what the fuck? At no point did I say that I wanted to have SEX with you. What is wrong with you?
I've always enjoyed Joe's content, sue me ERA. This is ultimately disappointing (I'm not a Trump supporter not even sure why I have to state that). I believe her and that's what makes this a little disheartening, just saying.
Thing is, she never accused him of anything that would require proof. She was just sharing her story, none of it is really provable one way or another. He is doing what he can do do publicly and loudly take a stance of being wrongly accused, because while he likely won't be proven of any wrongdoing, this can still have massive repercussions on his name and career. I'm almost certain a best case scenario in Joes mind is she's too scared to say anything else, and this goes away and is forgotten in a week.while I understand he might be upset over the whole thing (either getting ousted as predator or being accused in general), this had a few excessively aggressive paragraphs, considering the situation. But a guy with a big network of support and lawyers can surely show any proof with ease, right? That is, IF there are proof to his claims.
exactly this. I don't think she is saying he sexually assaulted her, I think she is trying to point out what kind of a scumbag he is and that his behavior was not ok. I think by her pointing this out, people, and especially the younger men who follow angry joe can learn that this is NOT OK and that you don't have to suggest sex to come over like a predator or make somebody extremely uncomfortable. I hope more women speak out about these things so the younger generation ( and hopefully the older ones) can learn that this behavior needs to stop. I am going to be honest, I 100 percent believe her and i know from my own experiences that this happens a lot. shit needs to stopOh wow I'm reading the statement and it's complete garbage. Why would you invite her to a meeting with your account managers of all people?
You went to shower and at no point offered or suggested sex? But she never claimed that. She claimed that you asked her to join you in the shower. Why don't you answer if you said that? This is some Bill Clinton levels of pedantic bullshit right here.
She's a grown up and we were out in public and she could have left anytime? But if you did NOTHING wrong, and she had no reason to be uncomfortable, why would she want to leave? This is almost a direct admission that her post is true. What kind of moron lawyer wrote this for Joe?
Also, she never claimed you sexually assaulted her. She claimed predatory behavior and verbal assault on your part. Learn to read.
Yeah sadly I don't see anything else coming from this. Hopefully more people speak up on her behalf.Thing is, she never accused him of anything that would require proof. She was just sharing her story, none of it is really provable one way or another. He is doing what he can do do publicly and loudly take a stance of being wrongly accused, because while he likely won't be proven of any wrongdoing, this can still have massive repercussions on his name and career. I'm almost certain a best case scenario in Joes mind is she's too scared to say anything else, and this goes away and is forgotten in a week.
The whole thing is a mess, but it's easy to see why Joe took the steps here he did.
exactly. am i the only one who would ask someone to wait in the hotel lobby and not in my freaking hotel room while i am taking a shower if I've met the person for the first time. like honestly.Here's my issue with this statement,
Firstly, he admits that she was at the hotel with him, he also admits to taking a shower. Now, for me taking a shower while your alone in a hotel room with a girl you've just fucking met speaks volumes. He also doesn't deny that he asked her to take a shower with him, only that sex wasn't mentioned. So I believe the victim here. For me, if he didn't ask her to take a shower with him he would have clearly said it.
Secondly, he also says he didn't take her phone away, which I'm pretty sure isn't what was alleged here, she said that he asked her to put her phone away, so she still had it. Once again, I believe the victim here.
Then there's the part about her being a grown woman, not needed, of course she could have left, she was with other people, but she probably felt scared or intimidated by the whole situation.
I'm not fully clued up with American law, but I think no law was broken here, what AJ did was sleezy and I believe it was stupid, but what he did was use his power in the industry to fabricate a move on this girl and for that he's a dick.
Of course we give the benefit of the doubt to the victim but that specific scenario isn't what's happening here.Rare. Very very rare. In return we got Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey just to name a few. If you don't give benefit of the doubt to the victims you get shit like a standing ovation to Polanski and mr.grab her by the pussy for president. If we downplay it all the time with well she is lying, it will remain at the status quo.
The receipts did come out for Mr.Depp, but let me ask you this:
Woman goes home with guy from bar. Witnesses see this. They get home, he starts being not what she expected. She no longer would like to sleep or do anything with him. He rapes her. She reports it. This is all happened in his home so there isn't any CSI type proof that would necessarily suggest rape 100%. Just her word. But the guy is rich and is respectable in the community. He denies rape and says no, it was consensual. This woman just has some beef with me. Guess what happens in this case? The guy gets away with it. The woman is scarred for life. This happens all the time. In this case what would you do? Wait forever for the receipts before you choose to believe someone's side?
It feels like a response carefully written by a lawyer.exactly. am i the only one who would ask someone to wait in the hotel lobby and not in my freaking hotel room while i am taking a shower if I've met the person for the first time. like honestly.