The thing is in this is, nothing he did was illegal was it? He was being a creep, super clingy but I don't think he broke any laws? So like other than speak out, what could she do? What he did was wrong, gross and ugh, but she has no legal discourse there even if she wanted to. People need to give up on the "go to the courts"
Who doesn't want attack from incels?
Bingo. So much of harrassment has nothing to with being physical. Also that bullshit he wrote today about assault? That was internet gaslighting 101. Shifting and confusing the the narrative to his followers. Most won't even check that she never said assault.
If only that was what I wrote.
Couldn't agree more. People keep saying this should be deferred to the courts and I'm trying to fathom what exactly thay expect women to be able to put forth as evidence for sexual harassment and predatory behaviour years prior. In other threads people have asked for concrete evidence. It's ridiculous and a shut-down with little thought to it. Especially when other cases and actions that do amount to a crime and should result in criminal action rarely do.
Like, my statement was obviously about the person whose only post in this thread was literally, "I'll just wait for more facts."
The fact you are still willing to watch his stuff despite all of this kind of says alot about your opinion of her and her accusations imo.
You are completely right about all of this, but I also want to reiterate that she never accused him of anything illegal and she obviously knows this. Why would she go to court or law enforcement over his predatory behavior if they both know it wasn't illegal? That's a waste of time, that's why she spoke out about it publicly.
yeah. like let's combat the allegations of me being abusive by.... being abusive?
And, as I defended, there seems to be an active attempt from both parties to further substantiate their statements, and while we wait we need to continue the discussion of appropriate ways to talk about the situation.
...again, having a lawyer write a statement is not evidence of either guilt or innocence.
Why? Why would someone bring a person they barely know to their hotel and make them wait while they showered?
they're just asking people to look at a twitter feed to verify joe's claim. that's not doxxing
This is pretty much the only comment that should be on here, unless people have evidence that backs either party up then you should just be quiet and wait for it to be sorted legally.
Likewise you're completely right. It was a response to people immediately demanding it be taken to court when it's hard to understand exactly what they expect the woman involved to be able to provide or find recourse from within that. Edited it to draw attention to the below instead as the wider point is better explained in the follow up post.
I'm curious about that regarding the pictures on the bed. That is the part of the story I don't get. They laid back together or something and snapped a few pictures. She said it was so he could show folks later that they were together in the hotel room? He says nothing like that happened?
You're good, I understood what you were saying I just wanted to elaborate on that aspect. Him only talking about this as if it is a criminal/legal matter is a purposeful tactic on his part to muddy the waters. He KNOWS that there is nothing criminal/illegal to this, and that's why he is placing the focus on that aspect of it so when it is confirmed that nothing illegal happened he can say "see, nothing happened" and sweep it all under the rug.
lol obviously. Can't help but feel like AJ basically said to his lawyer "So yeah, I did it. Any idea?"
She also had DMs from someone at the party who reached out to her to ask if she was OK because they noticed something was off about the way he was interacting with her. That's about as much proof as you are even going to get that she was uncomfortable beyond her own words. Not that more 'proof' of her discomfort was necessary, considering she is the only authority on whether or not his actions made her uncomfortable.
Completely, and it worked. Even right now people are picking apart her post to point out how 'actually she was saying he assaulted her' while ignoring the actual message of the post itself. Frustrating to see though far from surprising. People content to chant Believe Women and then introduce every caveat under the sun when it comes to doing so.
