Attitudes like this are why this stuff is just getting worse. A gun skin should never cost that much, even in a F2P game. Make the skins reasonable prices and people who don't normally spend money on MTX might actually be interested.
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AngryJoe opens the Valorant Store...
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Attitudes like this are why this stuff is just getting worse. A gun skin should never cost that much, even in a F2P game. Make the skins reasonable prices and people who don't normally spend money on MTX might actually be interested.
Fuck Angry Joe for making that joke (even though he was already complete trash).
Who care about cosmetics. If it's not pay-to-win, it's not a big deal.
Who care about cosmetics. If it's not pay-to-win, it's not a big deal.
I would strongly advise looking into how pricing works for luxury industries (especially the fashion industry, which is more analogous to cosmetic skins).
Price discrimination as an economic concept long predates the F2P market.
As said many times, gaming companies don't charge $71 for a skin for teh lulz. They charge it because someone will buy it. And if they don't, they reduce the price so people will.
There are other less expensive skins.
I get the "That's a really fucking dumb price, I'm gonna move on" reaction. I don't get the outrage reaction.
Frivolous, "fashion" items will always be priced way more than they're really worth. I will never be able to justify a luxury watch, or a "Collector's Edition" of a video game. I see the price of some watches when I walk by at the mall and I just keep walking. It is what it is, people who are much more privileged than me may or may not buy it, that's up to them.
Frivolous, "fashion" items will always be priced way more than they're really worth. I will never be able to justify a luxury watch, or a "Collector's Edition" of a video game. I see the price of some watches when I walk by at the mall and I just keep walking. It is what it is, people who are much more privileged than me may or may not buy it, that's up to them.
We know from several Fortnite studies that having an ingame store that sells high (!) priced skins will often lead to social pressure and mobbing within friend groups. Especially if the game is targeting the younger audiences like Fortnite or Valorant do. "I don't care. It's just cosmetics!" does not help those people getting mobbed.
Think of it in the same way as people are putting pressure onto others to wear brand clothes to school.
They don't care though. If they can sell 2 skins at $70 or 20 skins at $5 which do you think they're going to pick? It also adds to the "exclusivity" feeling that people like when they buy expensive stuff that other people don't have.
Seriously? Well fuck him.
Despite liking his game reviews, I have pretty much been ignoring him. I guess I should make it official.
As someone who purchased items in the closed beta, and has the bundle in current valorant, my only problem with the price is the lack of radianite.
I don't mind spending $70 + on a bundle that contains quite a few skins. The issue becomes that it takes even more money to then upgrade those skins to the make level. And to do so, you need to use radianite, which is a separate purchasable currency. Upgrading one weapon will set you back a TON of money. If the current bundle offered upgrade materials too, it would be perfectly fine (imo).
I don't mind spending $70 + on a bundle that contains quite a few skins. The issue becomes that it takes even more money to then upgrade those skins to the make level. And to do so, you need to use radianite, which is a separate purchasable currency. Upgrading one weapon will set you back a TON of money. If the current bundle offered upgrade materials too, it would be perfectly fine (imo).
Ok I get that but what exactly is the proposed solution here? It's always gonna be out of reach for someone. Googling a bit and school uniforms at a glance seem to lead to less bullying but then we can't have skins at all?
Lol the discount keeping it in the range where you still have to buy the most expensive amount of In game currency. I dont play the game so I dont know if whatever is left over is enough to get something else or you still need to get more currency.
I'd say the reason that it's getting worse is because there are people willing to pay $20, $30, $40 for a piece of cosmetic gear. A permissive attitude towards cosmetics does not inflate the asking prices......a market full of people willing to pay sky-high prices does.
Skins on its own are fine but the problems occure once you artificially create a high-priced eco system while also targeting kids as your core audience.
This Polygon article goes more into details about F2P games, skins and bullying: Fortnite is free, but kids are getting bullied into spending money
I'd say you create less of that kind of tensions if you don't try to sell ingame cosmetics for $99 OR if you don't target kids for your player base.
I just kill someone with a skin and take their weapon. It carries over as long as you dont die or buy a different gun.
I can't believe he made an "I can't breathe joke." What the fuck.
So loot crates were bad because kids could become addicted to gambling, and now skins are bad because kids get bullied if they don't own expensive ones. At what point do we start blaming the kids and/or their parents for being shitty human beings instead of video games for the problems in society?
So loot crates were bad because kids could become addicted to gambling, and now skins are bad because kids get bullied if they don't own expensive ones. At what point do we start blaming the kids and/or their parents for being shitty human beings instead of video games for the problems in society?
I think that was just Other Joe doing im getting comically choked here joke. Since this is just an edit of the livestream not a staged/scripted bit.
This isn't really a good argument here. I agree the skins are ridiculously priced, but kids are going to find ways to bully each other regardless. Shit, I remember getting bullied in school because I had a yellow GBC by kids that didn't even have a fucking GBC.
Fucks me up that people wring their hands over content being expensive while the real problem is games that have endless spending options and no limits. Any game that can generate whales (regardless of the price of the individual purchases) is inherently troubling IMO. We shouldn't be okay with games that allow any people to spend themselves into debt.
I don't get the blind defense of "but it's free", "but it's expected".
The skins can cost more then a videogame, and that's okay because it's free
As long as a game's free it's okay to take advantage of players - that's what you're saying.
Where's the Era that used to scream about loot boxes putting people with addictive habits in debt?
The skins can cost more then a videogame, and that's okay because it's free
As long as a game's free it's okay to take advantage of players - that's what you're saying.
Where's the Era that used to scream about loot boxes putting people with addictive habits in debt?
I watched his FF7R review recently and he was very level headed as far as tone goes. I was surprised since he wasn't a fan of the other FF games he's played
Valve isn't making anyone do anything, and they still make and add their own skins. If Valve stopped accepting submissions tomorrow you think people would stop making skins? People make skins for lots of games for free and for fun. And in CS they have the potential to get paid for it. That is great.
I can't stand the style or content of Angry Joe, but checking out the clip it's pretty clear to me that the guy said "I can't breathe" because Joe was in his face and not letting him breathe. It's a very common saying that people use in many situations, I think reading it as definitely a joke about George Floyd's death is pretty disingenuous.
That said, the phrase clearly has a charged meaning right now and they should have caught it was a bad time to say it and edited it out in post.
That said, the phrase clearly has a charged meaning right now and they should have caught it was a bad time to say it and edited it out in post.
You can resell and make your money back, or even profitdunno bout that one
These Valorant skins are just lost money.
I actually don't really think that old saying applies here. The product in this case is digital items (and the art, special effects, etc.) for use within their digital ecosystem. The game itself is what gives those digital items value and serves as an entry point into the marketing funnel for those digital items. The saying you refer to only really makes sense for digital advertising focused companies (Google, Facebook, and most social media).
They're not making anyone do anything, they're just employing exploitative work practices and profit immensely off it because they have an audience willing to let themselves get exploited.
You can make your money back in Steam funny money, but to just break even you have to hope the item price goes up due to the marketplace tax, and more often than not that's a losing game. The whole item "economy" and how people rationalize it to themselves is gross to me.
Yeah, been a few years I've watched one of his videos. I can't stand him. Just came here for the comments.
Yeah what the fuck ?
Why are people ignoring this ?
Who the fuck honestly cares about cosmetic shit when we have jackasses making a "I can't breath" joke.
Why isn't this thread locked already (AngryJoe should be banned as well tbh)
Sadly, that's just what you need to to get your your channel breathing these days it seems, a bunch of good channels turned to these thumbnails and even changed the video titles.
yeah i got the same too, in the context of the situation, it wasn't meant as joke about George Floyd's death. But rather them goofing around because OJ was breathing in on the mic and AJ getting mad at him, it is a common phrase but who knows...I recommend people to watch the video before posting an opinion though
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Skin submissions aren't supposed to be a full time job lol, it's a way for people who do it anyways to get paid for it. Point out other games that offer to pay people for their mod/skin work. I'll wait for that short list.
literally stopped the video right there. Made me feel queasy af.
Yea, they'll never get a dime from me.
The only people I've seen rocking skins are streamers. These are not the times to waste money like this.
You can also resell CSGo skins for cash through trusted websites and channels. Worrying about taxes and making your money back misses the point: you can make money back or just straight up make money off items that can be resold.
This shit? It's just money being burned.
The only people I've seen rocking skins are streamers. These are not the times to waste money like this.
There's very little funny about Steambuxx. You can buy games, hardware, and so on with ease.
You can also resell CSGo skins for cash through trusted websites and channels. Worrying about taxes and making your money back misses the point: you can make money back or just straight up make money off items that can be resold.
This shit? It's just money being burned.
Point out other companies that waste thousands of collective hours of work they don't do themselves on an abusive practice? Yeah I'd hope it's a pretty fuckin' short list.
Holy hell, watch the video again. It's because of the nose noises, he meant "apparently I can't breathe anymore" since Joe was getting bothered by nose noises.
About the "i can't breathe" thing, this is the context: 5:26
Maybe my english is not the best but i will try:
Someone was breathing in the mic when joe talks, so he goes to where other joe is and he [OJ] just stop breathing to see if he was making the sound, and because of that he [OJ] says i can't breathe.
Maybe my english is not the best but i will try:
Someone was breathing in the mic when joe talks, so he goes to where other joe is and he [OJ] just stop breathing to see if he was making the sound, and because of that he [OJ] says i can't breathe.
Actually valve offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to the people who make these skins, and each skin dev gets a cut of the marketplace sales of their skins, and around upfront $40000-60000 dollars.
Gamers need to stop being mad at games and start petitioning elected officials to change ratings systems to "Stop kids from gambling"
Angry Joe has a huge platform and viewership. He could be leading the charge instead of being ANGRY SCREAMING MAN WTFFFFFFFF IS THIS AAAHHHHHHHH
Angry Joe has a huge platform and viewership. He could be leading the charge instead of being ANGRY SCREAMING MAN WTFFFFFFFF IS THIS AAAHHHHHHHH
A lot of people will only read the hat first comment whit that bad take and just keep saying the same, without watching the video because, perhaps, they dont like AJ.
The same happens when someone put a bait thread title, they dont read the OP or the article and just post based on the title.
You could apply the same argument to the entire luxury market. But there's a demand for those types of items so the market will cater to it.
The people that don't care about overpriced cosmetics aren't required to care about those that do. Not anymore than people working out are required to care about overpriced athletic wear. Because that clothing isn't a necessary part of a workout. And the people that think it is can't impose their value systems on those that do not. Especially when not caring is the objectively better path.