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Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
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Hell, my sister was raped at 9 by someone I knew, but she didn't tell us for 5 years.
We went to the police at that point and they did a bit of looking into it and were like "I guess he joined the military, oh well" and that was the end of that.
Asking someone to step in the shower with them even if they clearly don't want to is why we're here and still not on GAF.
Not only she provided this, she consistently described a set up in which he was actively taking precautions to have an upper hand at deflecting the narrative should it come to it (vide taking pictures, denying her using her phone etc) - I don't quite understand why people generally in this thread are assuming this woman is more likely in any way to make this shit up in order to "destroy his life" rather than describe a situation of discomfort and being taken advantage of.
I'm kidding actually - I totally understand, being a rape survivor and have experienced this sort of denial first hand.
Which is kind of gross looking at some of the comments here.
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Asking a woman you barely know to join you in the shower, even if it's jokingly is sexual harassment. That's not even taking into account the gaslighting she talks about throughout the blog.
That's clearly abusive behaviour. Idk legally if it would fit in the harassment category, even though if it missed it'd be just barely.
He was clearly abusing his position of simbolic power and psychologically pushing her to do things she'd be uncomfortable doing.
Good that it's been ousted. Even though I don't see him being criminally punished by this, let it at least shame him into a better behavior.
He was clearly abusing his position of simbolic power and psychologically pushing her to do things she'd be uncomfortable doing.
Good that it's been ousted. Even though I don't see him being criminally punished by this, let it at least shame him into a better behavior.
No, evilore stepped into the shower with the woman, he didn't ask. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23...-evilore-malka-sexual-misconduct-forum-status
It's worrying that so many kids adore streamers that turn out to be bad people, even just passively watching and listening, you just don't know what they pick up and what is impressed on them. Parents probably think games equals kids, that is if they even care at all what their kids are doing?
Any parents here let their kids watch streamers?
Any parents here let their kids watch streamers?
Sorry to hear that. My mother wasn't raped for the record but if she was they wouldn't have done anything.
My sister was stalked by one of her exes and we eventually called the police when he slit the cars tires. Officer said he'd sort it out but nothing happened. Another incident and a different officer came. We litteraly heard the radio tell him that the previous officer had done nothing and said it was all sorted and he just sort of looked at us with a blank face.
If it ain't something easy to prove, they don't care.
I know what he did. Would it have been better if he asked "can I enter the bathroom naked" before he did it?
That's funny, because I see it happening at multiple points.
Let's go to a restaurant! No wait I'm actually taking you to my hotel room. Only just a minute! How about we shower together? Only kidding! Unless you really want to, then I'm not kidding. Here let me remove your only means of contacting people, and let me photograph ourselves together on the bed just in case I need to shut you down in future. Okay now I'm gonna say you're my girl on the side. You don't want to play along? Your feeling uncomfortable? You know who I am? This would be really bad for you if you dare open your mouth. Worse for you than for me, since you're a nobody.
Read all that and tell me what you're seeing. Multiple points of coercion, multiple red flags of shitty behavior. Just because he didn't assault her doesn't mean he's somehow absolved of all this harassment.
I think a lot of people at least vaguely understand what the underlying problems are, but they're disturbed by any solution that may actually approach those problems.
What outcome are you expecting? There will be no legal action here.
It would be impossible to prove an actual crime because it is one person's word against another and one of those people went out of his way to generate evidence that would give the impression that it was a lovely, consensual time. The picture, the attending of parties primarily made up of his friends and contacts, the refusal to allow phone use and of course the classic drag to side of the room aggressive guilt trip.
That, of course, is ignoring, even if legal action is taken, actual rapists usually get away with it because unless you are literally jumping on someone in a park then a jury or judges err on the side of the attacker. That's if it even makes it to trial because, again, unless you are jumped in a park, anything else is usually downplayed by those in power.
Waiting for the trial or "more evidence" is pointless and often a cover for dismissal.
Once an accusation has been made, it's down to personal choice, you either believe the victim or don't. Then what you do with your relationship to the attacker is up to you.
This is all true
Is he a criminal? No.
Is the setup she describes very plausible?
Yes
Is it creepy AF?
Yes
Is he handling the accusations recklessly?
Yes
Unless there's been several cues and indications from the other party, inviting someone to take a shower with them is way out of line
If he comes out and specifically denies parts like this ever happened, I'll hear his side for sure. But I suspect he won't and cling to 'I legally didn't sexually abuse this woman' - which is where I'd implore people to consider context and think 'would I invite a seemingly uncomfortable and relative stranger to shower with me'
There where witnesses, thats why in this case you can wait for (sort of) evidence. I hope these people speak up and tell us what they saw and how Joe was acting. But ye, when the victim is alone with the accused then is pretty hard and almost impossible to provide evidence. Luckily you can tell a lot by someones character and their action and the last couple of years some of these accusation where not suprising given the character of the actor/streamer/artist.
You do realize we're not a court of law right?
This should be threadmarked.
I don't but there are tons of parents and kids out there idolizing celebrities, I hear it every day at car pickup but my kids follow the sillier side of youtube gameplayers like prestonplays and stamp Minecraft something
then you have the regular Kardashian / bachelor or bachelorette chatter at the pickup line
Man, some of the takes in the Medium comments.
She used an exclamation mark!!!
! = sex
Man, some of the takes in the Medium comments.
you learn something new every day.
If you try hard enough any victim can be blamed! No doubt written by the same kind of person who claims rape culture doesn't exist.
Man, some of the takes in the Medium comments.
The worst part is it highlights that that's their thinking for all women they talk to as well. Incel tier thoughts developed from perceived slights in their own communication with women.
Exactly.
He is essentially trying to separate her from any form of escape and through fear of backlash, coercing her into situations she stated she didn't want to be in.
The example of the old bait and switch tactic of saying you will do one thing and it suddenly turns into another is a prime example of a predator.
I knew a guy (friend of my aunt in law) who I never liked because he was a creepy piece of shit and it was clear he would try to get into situations where he could chat with my wife (only saw him mostly at the in laws bbqs). On the day of my mother in laws funeral, after the event we all went back to the in laws and at one point my wife was going to the local shop for people and he tagged along. On the way he asked if they could quickly pop to his so he could pick something up, it ended up being further away than he said and when she got there he took long and then walked out without a shirt as he was 'just changing'. She made a point to quickly leave.
He knew she was vulnerable because it was her mother's fucking funeral and he tried to take that to his advantage. This behaviour is what Joe is doing. And for any doubt on the guy I mentioned, I was eventually told he was fired from his job at a local school for trying to groom a 16 year old (the parents didn't want the police involved) and this wasn't the first time it happened apparently. He was also the local sensei of the karate club teaching both adults and kids. I also saw him and his 17 daughter grinding to the song 'bump and grind' one time which lead to me telling the family he was a child predator, they didn't believe me and then the grooming story came out a year later so I was right all along.
If true, the story about Joe is a clear example of a predator who is essentially hunting his prey by herding them into a situation where he can pressure them into sex.
Man, some of the takes in the Medium comments.
'You interacted with another man! You clearly wanted sex, what other reasoning you could have to interact with a man?'
Considering he did a video reacting to the Last of Us leaks where he said he wouldn't play it because
Joel gets killed by "a tranny with a golf club"
I hope this all turns out to be BS, because it's super shitty. But sadly I can probably see more people coming forward as a result...
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Pretty much
Even stretching to appreciate the grey context of some situations which I know can get confused, it seems to be implying once a girl has a boyfriend, she can't meet men ever again in any setting without offering some kind of full life disclosure
If I met a girl who specifically didn't tell me she had a boyfriend, again unless there were other cues, my first reaction wouldn't be 'hop into my shower'
Depending on the setup and response, I'd maybe lean in for a kiss. If she backed off and didn't reciprocate, I'd apologise for misreading the situ and then make an effort to keep it light and friendly in a more social setting.
End of.
Supposedly Angry Joe claims to have access to some "messages". That hopefully means the victim has access to those things as well.
Does he? He said on Twitter that the messages shown on the Medium article were literally all there was.
So he says. Hopefully there'll be more. Plus supposedly there's witnesses.
they wouldn't interact with a woman unless they wanted to have sex with her. different day, same shitty people :'v.
It sounds to me like all the witnesses that day were either in his camp, or her best friend. I wouldn't expect any smoking guns there.
Yeah, those people just see women as sexual objects, clear as day.
So apparently my mom wants to bang me.
Man, some of the takes in the Medium comments.
Apparently so
Doesn't really matter now though, I've used them. I'm fair game.
I had a look at The Old Place this morning, as this story seemed a likely litmus test of how far that place has gone.
I.. don't recommend it. It's genuinely frightening, and that was before I went to their new politics sub forum.
I.. don't recommend it. It's genuinely frightening, and that was before I went to their new politics sub forum.
It does make sense. Especially given the specific trigger of the split. People who disagreed with Evil0re left and people who didn't stayed. It is expected that the split is most visible on a similiar issue.
Joe's initial reaction has been "What?! No that's lies. I'm getting a lawyer!"
So that's not a good sign. He'd better calm down and not make things worse. Because his followers and the usual crowd will follow his lead.
Scumbags are probably already harassing and digging.
Unless Joe can somehow disprove events, this should just be Joe self-reflecting, reconciling with his creepy, manipulative behavior, profusely mea culpa-ing, trying to make amends, change and better himself.
But I doubt that's what'll happen...
What would make this disastrously bad and fucked up is if her suspicion of him premeditating things by taking photos of her so he could have "proof" that she was willing, is true. The other stuff is creepy and manipulative, but that'd be on a whole other level.
So that's not a good sign. He'd better calm down and not make things worse. Because his followers and the usual crowd will follow his lead.
Scumbags are probably already harassing and digging.
Unless Joe can somehow disprove events, this should just be Joe self-reflecting, reconciling with his creepy, manipulative behavior, profusely mea culpa-ing, trying to make amends, change and better himself.
But I doubt that's what'll happen...
What would make this disastrously bad and fucked up is if her suspicion of him premeditating things by taking photos of her so he could have "proof" that she was willing, is true. The other stuff is creepy and manipulative, but that'd be on a whole other level.
Wait did he legit use that slur? In 2020? That alone should put people off him, jeez.
lmao. Apologies are worthless. Comments are just full of people calling you garbage and pointing out why its a bad apology. I guess he's going scorched earth.