Allowing for the possibility that what they say may be true and refraining from calling them a liar, especially on social media, would be a decent start.
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Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
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His entire job is based around acting like a dickhead. Hardly a massive surprise he turns out to be one.
You got anymore info on this? I looked up Alexis Kennedy and the person in question seems to be very much still alive.
I mean, he's not Z-grade and that's the issue. He's a huge YouTuber and if you're a content creator or just a fan within that scene in general, meeting him and getting this level of attention is obviously going to get you all flustered at the very least. This is why the cult of celebrity surrounding content creators is such a dangerous thing too. I think it's great that they have a thriving platform, room for growth and supporting themselves financially, but no one is really keeping a lot of them in check and so stuff like this happens more often than we'd like to think.
gosh I'm sorry I got him confused with Alec Holowka—both were accused around the same time and have similar first names so I had a brain fart. My bad, I'll go edit my post!
Unsubbed. I haven't been watching him as much as I used to mainly because he never matured in the last ten years and it shows. He always feels the need to scream and rant to the camera. Plus, the fact that he's a gun lover always bothered me. Now, I see this, and considering how he presents himself, I have every reason to believe her.
Lets say the accusations are false (i believe there is certainly a core of truth here), what should happen to the accuser? I can see someones name getting so damaged that they lose a part of their income and even get shunned by certain people, sponsership, etc. We are always quick to point fingers and blame, but in what case are there any repercussiones for accusing and blaming someone for harrasment. Like the Bieber story is new to me, but did the accuser get sued or something?
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The fact that you would be allowed to vote for this opinion in a democratic country is giving me chills.
women life get destroyed even when the accusations are true, you have nothing to fear about that.
Smh...
Anyway, I read the statement and it sounds really fucked up, I'm not having a hard time imagining hammered Joe trying to coerce somebody to sleep with him using whatever connection he has to dazzle a smaller content creator. But then again, I'll reserve my judgement for now. Need more info.
Sorry, but unless I am missing something here, why are we comparing the Bieber story with this one? Reading about the Bieber one, the tweet was deleted along with all the account (similar to the "story" about the singer of TOOL).
This story is not made public by a "burner" account, it's someone who is still there, established and what not. So how are these two stories comparable? What am I missing?
This story is not made public by a "burner" account, it's someone who is still there, established and what not. So how are these two stories comparable? What am I missing?
The thing that confuses me is why AngryJoe needs to use this woman as his date at the lunch. With the fame he talks about that just seems weird and odd, would have expected he would have no trouble finding a girl who loves the show and is single happy to come along
Hit him where it hurts.
Unsubscribe to his channel, and tell everyone you know to also unsubscribe.
#believevictims
Unsubscribe to his channel, and tell everyone you know to also unsubscribe.
#believevictims
She's already provided evidence with the texts. And Joe's statement has confirmed that the night did take place.
The onus is on him now to prove otherwise. I said before we should wait and you're right, that was probably wrong of me, but regardless if he can't prove that she's wrong (which he claims is easy) then this whole thing leans in her favour and people should feel free to rip into him.
Because we live in a culture where people refuse to believe women. Men have the power, deny it and that power helps people believe men over women.
And so people love to buy in to the logic that if one false accusation is out there then every accusation can be false. So don't let the powerful men be negatively affected and let's deny the women until there is 100% proof. This is just another example in a sea of examples.
Dont care if its is a woman or man. I have seen false accusation can destroy a life also, but a safe place must also be created so that one can speak about harrasment. I am just carefull about grabbing the pitchforks and destroying someone without facts. That said you should always believe the accuser in a case of harrasement and should take it very seriously. I cant see a reason why someone would make this up of why, and i do believe that a lot of these streamers and youtuber abuse their power, we have seen it happen again and again. you must realise these are both human lives and this is no small thing.
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For real. It's like people living in a democracy don't even know the very basis of its judiciary system: innocent until proven guilty. By the way, it's like that for a reason you know, and it's been like that ever since democracy was born.
Not in the Vargas defence force, never liked the dude, no problem imagining him doing fucked up things, but this whole "blind faith" thing is getting out of hand.
I'd be surprised but I'm not. Youtube is the home of the mega-narcissists in the world. Basically your favorite youtuber is probably on the level of Trump in terms of how much they love themselves.
This seems like the most reasonable response on here.
Doesn't it seem sensible to acknowledge the individual accusing AJ of this and then wait to see what the actual outcome is before grabbing the pitchforks?
Not to be rude but a large majority of this community are happy to go all in without having all the facts. If it turned out this wasn't true then that's an awful accusation to have to your name.
Equally, if Joe did do this, then he should be punished properly.
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I am not even entirely sure of what does it even mean "getting out of hand"?
Like: what can we possibly do on a forum to have this "getting out of hand"? Posting to say we believe in her (or any other victim)?
I don't think the poster is jumping on their twitter account to dox Joe or harass him or whatever, so how is this "getting out of hand"?
Lucky for us, we aren't the judiciary system. We don't need a sentence to stop supporting a shitty dude if we choose to do so.
Yeah this stuff really has to stop.
Even worse are the "xy is next right? He always looked creepy".
It's nice to hear that you're allowing for the possibility that what they say may be true and refraining from calling them a liar, especially on social media.
I just think that implying that there aren't repercussions for false accusers is laughable when real victims are already treated like pariah.
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And that's also the answer to another classic: "Gee whiz, why didn't they speak up sooner?"
Except this isn't a jury trial, or a crime having been committed. So judiciary rules don't apply. Especially in cases of sexual harassment in which "proof" is almost always impossible from the get-go. (Except, in this case, she did provide proof that he was being creepy right out of the gate.)
This is a case of a guy acting like a shitheel and people deciding not to support him over it. It's got nothing at all to do with the legal system. I don't owe him a trial before I believe his accuser, even in a democracy.
It's like people living in democracy don't know the difference between court of law and public opinion.
Innocent until proven guilty because the guilty don't have ways to cover up their actions, blame and suppress voices of victims, and the judicial system isn't biased and complately fair.
But seriously this.
But seriously this.
Tbf the post you quoted was a reply to someone saying "how can you support a victim if you don't believe she is a victim?" so it was contextually appropriate.
It's one example. There are many more helpful things to be done, such as donations, legal advice, psychological support and so on. All without needing to believe someone is guilty without evidence.
"I don't really believe you, but don't worry, I won't call you a liar" is not what I'd call 'support the victim'.
He chases after her, tries to get her to come home with him, and gets aggressive when she doesn't.
It's a subtle thing, like inviting someone to shower with you, and taking a pic on a bed. Don't worry, you won't be the last one to find nothing odd in those things...
I agree, but i believe this day and age that these kind of subjects are treated more serious.
I've been a fan of Joe for a long, long time. The last year or so, he's either changed, been showing his true colors, or I just started noticing it. Been hoping he'd turn around but this is the exact opposite of what I hoped for.
He always seemed like he had a more Progressive stance, which I liked. I'll read his response, but most likely will unsub after. Been thinking about it for some time, anyway.
He always seemed like he had a more Progressive stance, which I liked. I'll read his response, but most likely will unsub after. Been thinking about it for some time, anyway.
What do the texts alone prove exactly?
Joe is a dickhead, and if what has been alleged here is true then he needs to face the consequences, but for me those texts don't prove anything.
Joe is a dickhead, and if what has been alleged here is true then he needs to face the consequences, but for me those texts don't prove anything.
Demanding "concrete proof" of sexual assault or rape from years ago before you believe victims is part and parcel of the reason many of them don't come forward.
This creeped me out reading this. Now the creepiness of all of this matches how creepy he looked to me all this time. This story was disturbing to read. That poor lady, hope she had a lot of help getting through it all after.
Agreed. No need to be an extremist. All that is needed is to take it seriously.
And as much as I've never liked the guy's face and think he's a manchild, there is a difference between shitty behaviour and criminal behaviour.
Fucking absolute yikes - creepy as hell, and honestly that's a terrifying proposition to be stuck either publicly/in a hotel room with an aggressive stranger, YT personality or not. These tales of meeting contacts and then attempting to get handsy (in front of other people no less) are so disgusting. Let's see how this goes.
If the story is true, which I personally believe it is, I agree with them that there is no doubt in my mind he has done this sort of thing before and probably succeeded in his goals with other women.
The actions describe a person in power who is well practiced in how to force people into situations without 'forcing' them, through fear of making a scene. It's extremely predatory behaviour that shows the whole thing is centered purely around getting women into vulnerable situations where they can take advantage of them, all while doing everything to have just enough to be able to deny it if accused.
The description of other Joe etc being little side kicks in all of this ring true too, being his wingman and enabling this sort of behaviour because they hope to benefit themselves. Its almost like a crime ring where they got to make 'the boss' happy.
The actions describe a person in power who is well practiced in how to force people into situations without 'forcing' them, through fear of making a scene. It's extremely predatory behaviour that shows the whole thing is centered purely around getting women into vulnerable situations where they can take advantage of them, all while doing everything to have just enough to be able to deny it if accused.
The description of other Joe etc being little side kicks in all of this ring true too, being his wingman and enabling this sort of behaviour because they hope to benefit themselves. Its almost like a crime ring where they got to make 'the boss' happy.
What type of proof are you looking for from sexual assault, harassment or rape survivors coming forward years after the fact?
Its not the usual rape or harassment story that comes out but let's sum up what happened:
Unwanted sexual advances
Separating a girl from her ability to leave a situation, no phone, money, transportation
Trying to intoxicate them
Verbalizing everything you are doing to try and make them feel obligated to return a favor
Not allowing them to talk to others, getting mad when they do
Guilting people for not giving what you want
These all huge red flags for women and scary af. This isn't criminal but it's extremely creepy and borderline pre-rape behavior. What this highly communicates is that he uses his platform to manipulate women.
EDIT: what a lot of people don't understand is that rape isn't always violent. Sometimes its the surrounding situation and fear that makes women feel they need to agree to sex because they fear for their safety. Power dynamics are complex and at at best he is being reckless with his.