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Bad Advice

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Jan 8, 2019
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel criticized President Donald Trump's social media eviction, calling it 'problematic'.

On Monday, a spokesperson for Merkel, Steffen Seibert, said that it wasn't up to social media CEOs to regulate freedom of speech, but to lawmakers. "This fundamental right can be intervened in, but according to the law and within the framework defined by legislators — not according to a decision by the management of social media platforms," Seibert told reporters in Berlin.
Merkel is not the only European politician to openly criticize social media companies' decisions, showing a whole different approach to Big Tech on the Old Continent.

Bruno Le Maire, France's Finance Minister
, said he was "shocked" by Twitter's decision, adding that it shouldn't be up to "social media oligarchy" to regulate free speech - while also condemning what he called "Trump's lies" on Twitter and throughout his term as President.
The criticism from European leaders happens as Europe is trying to find the right way of fighting the influence of big tech on society. After the events on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, the EU's Digital Commissioner Thierry Breton wrote in Politico: "Just as 9/11 marked a paradigm shift for global security, 20 years later we are witnessing a before-and-after in the role of digital platforms in our democracy." In his op-ed, Breton wrote that Europe will address these challenges with a new reform of the digital space under the ideology that "What is illegal offline should also be illegal online."

www.forbes.com

Angela Merkel Criticizes Trump’s Twitter Eviction

German Chancellor Angela Merkel criticized President Donald Trump's social media eviction, calling it 'problematic'.
(highlights are mine)
 

Charcoal

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Nov 2, 2017
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aceface

Unshakable Resolve
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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, I agree the government should regulate social media. The fate of our democracy shouldn't be up to the whims of corporations.
 

lupinko

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Oct 26, 2017
6,154
I like Merkel and all but she's wrong on this one. This was a long overdue move by Twitter and all the other tech companies.
 

Nothing Loud

Literally Cinderella
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Oct 25, 2017
9,981
Even she is confused on what America's 1st amendment protects. Free speech was not legally violated here. The free market decided it didn't like speech that incites violence and it reacted accordingly.
 

barit

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
1,163
Yeah saw this earlier. Super shameful but to her defense tha Internet is new ground for us Germans ... since 10 years or so xD
 

Damaniel

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,536
Portland, OR
Nah, fuck that. Also, pretty rich coming from a country that already has very extensive rules against hate speech - why should we be told to tolerate it when they make it 100% illegal themselves?
 

Tbm24

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Oct 25, 2017
16,297
Makes me concerned the more people posture Social Media is some type of right. Twitter can and should do w/e the fuck they want, government should tell Twitter you can't remove someone inciting violence because dumbassess voted him into elected office.
 

Robin64

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Oct 25, 2017
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They can regulate whatever the hell they want on their platform, freedom of speech doesn't apply.
 

NinjaDBL

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wonder how she would feel If Trump incited a violent mob to storm the Reichstag Building.
 

Transistor

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Oct 25, 2017
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She's wrong that Twitter shouldn't have banned him.

But she's right that relying on tech companies instead of government to do this can be messy and problematic. After all, had we had laws against this type of speech to begin with, he would have been deplatformed years ago. But that's the first amendment for you. It inherently puts the burden on the private companies to do something. And it prevents lawmakers under an extreme right wing government from silencing people opposing them.
 

TheRagnCajun

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Oct 29, 2017
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She has it backwards. Freedom of speech means the state cannot compel Twitter to censor Trump. Twitter had the liberty of choosing who to censor on their own platform.
 

Deleted member 2102

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Oct 25, 2017
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Prominent politicans will be upset any time that they're threatened with accountability, even something as simple as "don't break our terms of use."
 

LukeOP

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Oct 27, 2017
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How do these fuck nuggets leading European nations not understand what freedom of speech is?
 

ExoExplorer

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Jan 3, 2019
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If our government isn't going to regulate terrorist rhetoric, emergency measures by big tech were absolutely necessary. It's not a long-term solution and the government should 100% get involved and create stricter standards for social media. Boo hoo to these politicians and media crying about free speech though. This stuff has been left to fester for too long.

Also free speech doesn't regulate private companies. Not that hard to grasp.
 

modestb

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Jan 24, 2019
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Not surprising. Heads of State don't want to risk being beholden to a small thing like a tech company.
 

Dio

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Oct 25, 2017
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i get the point she's making: germany created laws specifically for nazi stuff there, and social media platforms have to abide by them, and they work well in the context of their country.
at the same time...it doesn't feel like she understands free speech that much.
 

CrazyIvan1978

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Oct 27, 2017
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The job of Twitter is to follow its own guidelines and operate within the rules set by regulators. GTFOH Merkel, companies are not the guardians of the freedom of speech.
 

lorddarkflare

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Oct 25, 2017
6,254
She, and many others are not wrong in criticizing twitter and others for their out-sized impact on society and Democracy.

The was they have been able to shut down Trump is as frightening as it has been deserved.

That said, fuck their concern when it comes to this particular moment. Trump's getting shut down by twitter was not for some casual infringement of the TOS, but for very specific violations that affected/could affect the real world.

In short: the question is not just about assholes leaders being allowed on twitter. It is about asshole leaders using twitter to be asshole dictator and actively using the platform to make the world a demonstrably worse place.
 

bionic77

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Oct 25, 2017
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When its muslims or marginalized people no one important ever raises a voice or says we might be going too far. Everyone is in agreement that we can't go too far.

What a ridiculous double standard and horrible statement from Merkel.

Yes they tried a coup but should we really take away the fat man's twitter? He should be in a jail cell right now.
 

Obi Wan Jabroni

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Dec 14, 2020
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Again, the right of free speech is not the right to a platform.

You can stand on your lawn and spout alt right vitriol but there's nothing in the law that says Twitter or You Tube owe you a place to spread your vile sludge.

And that's before we even get into the fact that Trump is basically yelling FIRE in a crowded theater times a million.
 

Gaf Zombie

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Dec 13, 2017
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But no one is infringing on his freedom of speech. He's the president of the United States. If he has something to say, he can easily do so.

In no way is preventing someone from inciting violence "problematic". Twitter is (finally) doing the right thing here.