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Andy Ruiz vs. Anthony Joshua 2 |OT| We come for the rematch, we stay for the tacos. (Starts early at 3:45PM ET)
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Re-opens the avenue to fight the elite of the Elite as the Champion, a terrific bargaining position. I can see Eddie Hearn's hard-on from here.
For us casuals, what's stopping a Joshua/Wilder fight, that seems by far to be the biggest money maker (along with Fury/Wilder)
What's all this avoiding Wilder\Fury talk? They were offered the AJ fight ( confirmed by all parties) and rejected it, as did Grandpa Ortiz.
Shit on the big racist all you want, but he ain't no ducker.
Shit on the big racist all you want, but he ain't no ducker.
Wilder has always avoided that fight. AJ beats Wilder.
Knocking out old man Ortiz means jack shit.
Wilder is signed with PBC, which has a multi year and multimillion dollar PPV deal with Fox Sports/InDemand. Joshua is signed with Matchroom, which has a huge contract to broadcast fights on DAZN (via a monthly subscription, not the traditional PPV model). There's always been issues in boxing with promoters getting in the way of making the fights happen, but the last few years, as networks and sub services have been desperate for content, those promoters are also signing deals with specific networks, which only complicates things further.
AJ is scared to death of Wilder. His reputation is already worse off after the loss to Ruiz in the first fight. He wouldn't survive a big loss to Wilder.
Fighting Fury would make more sense stylistically, in my opinion.
While True, Fury and Wilder were able to make the rematch despite Fury signing with Top Rank and ESPN.
Thats BS.
AJ is still by far the biggest draw in the division. Its not even close. People said his stock would go down after the Ruiz defeat but just wait to the PPV numbers come in. Will be huge. Fighters don't just stop drawing money when they lose. Fighting elite fighters you will lose one way or the other.
Top Rank/ESPN still use a PPV model though. Probably makes it easier to split up revenue. How do you do that when PBC wants to charge $70 for a single event while DAZN has a $19.99 monthly subscription?
It's a fact. He was offered the fight and refused. Probably because he's never fought anyone decent in his entire career.
True, but I'm just saying PBC/FOX and Top Rank/ESPN still partnered up. They'll just have to come to some form of agreement. Wilder himself isn't signed to a network.
Biggest money draw? Sure. Wilder is an American boxer and the sport isn't as popular as it is in the UK and abroad. But no one sane is saying Joshua is the best anymore. And that's after a slightly controversial TKO loss.
Money aside, what would be the talking points if AJ got slept by Wilder?
There is no upside to him challenging Wilder. The money would be nice, if he could win, but he and his people obviously have serious doubts that he can. The money can be made up elsewhere and would be the smarter business decision.
He fought Fury for 12 rounds, and AJ had to do a bootleg Fury job just to beat Ruiz.
Both Wilder and Fury would rock Joshua.
You're framing it wrong, The money he was offered was pathetic compared to what the overall revenue that was going to be generated especially from North America.
Promoters partnered up in the past. The advent of promoters tying themselves to subscription services and networks makes that more complicated. Like even at its most basic, who airs a prospective Wilder/AJ match? Oftentimes those things are enough to throw a wrench into a plan. If a promoter (either for Wilder or AJ) feels they can make more money fighting some can than putting on the match everybody wants, they'll just do that. These guys don't give a fuck.
No but his in the discussion. I remember when Lennox lost to Rahman, upsets happen.
If AJ lost to Wilder but the fight was competitive he simply gets back on the horse. Win or lose AJ isn't getting starched by Wilder in 2 rounds. AJ comfortably outboxes Wilder its just Wilder always has that equaliser with his power.
I think ruiz can beat wilder, he can take a punch and wilder cant fight inside.
Not so much. The revenue generated in the states was always overplayed by team Wilder. At that time Wilder couldn't say he brings x amount of ppv's to the table or a huge gate. His never drew big money.
While true, all I'm just saying is Wilder specifically made certain he didn't sign with a network so he can potentially make those figths with others on different networks.
Yeah, and Fury's win was stolen. Fury rock Joshua? He could barely rock a baby in a cradle. He'd possibly outbox him though.
Oh so now suddenly ruiz isnt a good boxer anymore? Lmao. You guys are funny.
Give AJ credit where it's due. He came back and proved the haters wrong.
Wilder yes.
Fury, lmao! He is more skilled but he can't punch as hard as AJ or Wilder.
Give AJ credit where it's due. He came back and proved the haters wrong.
Wilder yes.
Fury, lmao! He is more skilled but he can't punch as hard as AJ or Wilder.
Ortiz and Fury don't qualify as decent?
Let's be real here, Wilder isn't the one with a lack of self confidence, and he is more than willing to fight smarter and more technically capable fighters than he.
Wilder vs Joshua on PPV would have made huge money even at that time. Haymon knew this, but Hearn tried to underpay him. Now Wilder's value is way more than it ever was and DAZN was trying to sign him for over 100 million for only 3 fights. It's obvious Haymon and Wilder knew what they were doing.
Good boxer just doesn't live the life of a champion. Soon as I saw the weight I had to go with AJ.
It would do good numbers but it isn't Wilder who brings those numbers. Shit AJ v Ruiz sold out MSG. Wilder as an American has never sold that many tickets.
We've seen AJ gassed before late. We've witnessed Wilder's power late. Getting KO'd for the first time does something to a fighter, and I just don't believe in AJ's heart.
Maybe Fury should have won, maybe he got a favorable count. I think the draw was apt for the situation.
Edit: After a quick rewatch, no, I don't believe Fury got a favorable count. But I will admit to liking the draw keeping both fighters records unblemished.
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Who cares about ticket sales, despite the fact Wilder vs AJ in Vegas would be a sellout for a huge amount of money. The PPV in American money would be huge. Wilder/Haymon have leverage and they know it.
Wilder would knock him out in 7 rounds. AJ is hittable and Wilder is better and tougher.
Best possible AJ showed up for this fight against a below average Ruiz was about it. Ruiz is going to need to take a few more fights before the third fight (I don't see it happening). Run Parker v. Ruiz back, it was a close fight leaning to Ruiz but Parker got the hometown decision. And maybe another one. Ruiz in his current state is perfect for the old AJ. For the new AJ he'll need to find ways to cut the ring off, close that distance and force close quarters. But his height and reach put him at a serious disadvantage for doing that.
Ruiz beating wilder or fury is pretty laughable. Against Fury he'll just get outclassed and Wilder only needs to be perfect for a few seconds but Wilder will have plenty of time to be perfect. Ruiz isn't exactly quick on his feet and Wilder will have plenty of time to setup.
Ruiz beating wilder or fury is pretty laughable. Against Fury he'll just get outclassed and Wilder only needs to be perfect for a few seconds but Wilder will have plenty of time to be perfect. Ruiz isn't exactly quick on his feet and Wilder will have plenty of time to setup.
AJ dominated this time around. He wasn't too eager to go in (that's what cost him the last fight), and he made use of his jab. I don't see people clamoring for another fight with Andy after this. I'd want (well, everyone wants) to see a unification match against Deoantay.
I'm wondering when that it'll be... Not anytime soon, it seems.
I'm wondering when that it'll be... Not anytime soon, it seems.
Well the winner of Wilder vs Fury. The world will be clamoring for Joshua to fight the winner. We just need to put pressure on everybody to make it.