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American Embassy in Iraq "Attacked"
- Thread starter TheHunter
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yep, and when i brought it up the other day I got call out as an isolationist lol, I'm all for global cooperation not going around putting bases every where and meddle other people's business
Just because the US doesn't want them there it doesn't make them an occupying force.
It's crazy to me that people legit can't imagine a way to engage countries that does not involve regime change.
~750 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division will be deployed to the region immediately, more forces prepared to deploy over the next several days
Getting banned for championing civilian deaths and calling other members "traitors" and "below ISIS" isn't because he offered an alternative view or because he was foreign.
I am personally not gonna tone police the way Iraqis talk about what the US did to them.
But that's me.
And yet people on this board champion drone strikes repeatedly and no bans in sight.
Go figure.
Its almost like when someone from a minority community is effected by the actual topic at hand theyre not allowed to speak strongly about it if it flies in the face of American imperialism, as noted by the way so many brazenly shrug off drone strikes or the retaliation of death 25 times that of the incident in question.
Yeah, because "You are a traitor and you will get what you deserve" and "Killing unarmed civilians is good" are acceptable stances. Fuck off.
Same here. If you meet an Iraqi chances are there's someone they know who died in the wars, insurgency, ISIS etc. All thanks to America.
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That being said...I wouldn't call someone "worse than ISIS".
They were skinning people alive.
Someone has been watching way too much Manar(Fox News) Sorry, I can't do anything for you. The Shia from Khandak are our brothers in suffering, but they have been mobilized by political forces. The night before the attack on the ring the Jordanian secret services had been warning their people to get out. This is a calculated political move, not the alienation of a sect. My own shia'a friends have said the same. If you think its just the sushi eating bourgeois who are protesting, you are in a for some ugly truths in 2020. God be with us all.
edit: I just realized that you're not even considered Lebanese because of the way Lebanese women can't pass on their citizenship. You're a victim of sectarianism and you still prop up this shitty system. What is wrong with you?
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Kinda fast to "fuck off" level of angry, aren't you?
The point is that Iraqi people clearly have baggage that way exceeds regular message board kerfuffles. And I'm not going to pretend I really understand the situation where such outbursts come from.
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At the same time, they too can fall victim to fox news levels of disinformation, "patriotism" and well hatred.
Not accusing anyone here of that, just that we should all be more careful how we chose our words.
I empathize a lot with the Iraqis right now. A weakened state is nothing more than a proxy for regional forces to take advantage of. And at the end, what people really want is their sovereignty. For those who've been in a proxy state all their life, it's difficult to break free of that stockholm syndrome where one must beholden to outside political forces.
Indeed good advice. And hitting on a key point: word choice is not necessarily connected to the validity of one's grievances.
Not the first time someone has had that feeling about the middle-east I'm sure.
Imagine if we started banning black people for saying fuck the police or liberals for being snide or even gloating when some trump voter loses their healthcare.
Khamenei quoted Trump's tweet (is this the first time?) and some part of translation from Persian to English isn't right in my opinion.
In the Persian tweet, he says: شما غلط میکنید
That's much more offensive than "You can't do anything".
I don't know the exact translation of that sentence, but maybe something like: "You can't do a damn thing" or "You don't dare to do that" with a really aggressive tone.
In the Persian tweet, he says: شما غلط میکنید
That's much more offensive than "You can't do anything".
I don't know the exact translation of that sentence, but maybe something like: "You can't do a damn thing" or "You don't dare to do that" with a really aggressive tone.
Sectarianism whose match was set afire by European powers in the 19th 20th centuries.
I do wonder if it was something bound to happen anyway though. Christian sects also killed each other for centuries in Europe.
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I'm not sure if I'd place those at same level as "worse than people who skinned people alive".
The poster who made those statements doesn't belong to a minority group, he was responding to a Iraqi Kurd. Kurds who are persecuted and the scapegoats of basically everyone.
In the context of this forum they're both 100% minorities. This place is overwhelmingly American in narrative, and it is important to realize that said narrative is enforced. Even if it is more progressive than most places.
In the context of the conversation between two Iraqis, where one of them is calling the other a traitor and worse than ISIS, i disagree.
Just like me, I suspect the full context of what they were arguing about is not clear to you. Still such insults are a rules violation of the forum, obviously.
Not sure an Iraqi should be expected to place a military contractor on the same level as a regular old civilian given the crimes that contractors have committed in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East so I'm gonna give them a pass on not giving any fucks about the guy that died.
In history it has been proven time and time again that bombing and killing in retaliation doesn't do fuck all. It just leads to more pointless deaths and in some cases leads to creation of groups such as ISIS that then go on to sack historical monuments and spread terror across not only their local region but also the world.
User banned (6 months): minimizing the atrocities of an extremist terrorist organisation
I don't know where you got that from. I have not heard of any instances where ISIS were flaying people or if it were their general policy. They were brutal and ruthless but they generally followed some medieval principles of war.
There are also some specific examples in US military and private contractors who you can Def say were "worse than ISIS". The raping, and the war criminal types.
Just to clarify, unless I'm mistaken the person described as "even lower than ISIS" is Saint-14 , not some military or private contractor.
It feels like that context is important here.
Highly weaponized americans sitting behind barricades aiming at civilians sums up the past 30 years of ME conflicts pretty well.
As an Iranian I pray to fuck that Iraqis manage to get rid of the cancerous Iranian and Saudi influences. Nothing good ever comes out of IRGC. They're a bunch of bloodthirsty murderers, killing more than 1500 Iranians in the recent protests showed their true face.
The US (and the UK) has been arming the Kurds and urging them to fight for America's causes in the region base on eternally broken promises of support for over a century now.
I can't tell how things would have been had the US (and the UK) didn't fuck so much with Iraq for so long, but the fights you're seeing in this thread can all be traced back to American and European interventions.
When randos try to paint bans due to someone cheering on civilian deaths being in poor taste because a moderator might be American? Uh, yeaaah. No shit?
Understand this: A civilian was killed, doesn't matter if he's American or Iraqi, saying his death is a good thing is supremely poor taste and basically advocating terrorism/murder. Which I think it sort of against the forum rules, don't you agree?
I often wonder how Iraq would have turned out if there had been no resistance to the American occupation. It sounds wild from a Western perspective, but the Middle East could benefit from more nationalism.
People seem to care less about the nation of Iraq, and more about their specific Islamic sects/tribes. It's like everyone over there has a secondary allegiance to something.
Who gives a shit about the ban itself, or the obviousness that is the need to follow forum rules? It's the hidden (to outsiders) context and the ironical juxtaposition that was interesting. But yeah, not really interested in debating with you, take it or leave it.
We bombed the hell out of Iraq for the better part of 20 years. When the people begin to rise up suddenly everyone gets the shocked Pikachu face.
And the CIA crowd, the ones who brought us black sites, waterboarding, and countless acts of brutality across the middle east and latin america say "bu bu bu it's all IRAN'S FAULT" as if their word carried an ounce of credibility.
And the CIA crowd, the ones who brought us black sites, waterboarding, and countless acts of brutality across the middle east and latin america say "bu bu bu it's all IRAN'S FAULT" as if their word carried an ounce of credibility.
I often wonder how Iraq would have turned out if the US haven't fucked with them so much.
Also, while the US haven't created those sectarian problems (the was mostly the Brits), it has been fomenting them and have been arming and urging groups to fight there for decades.
I'm very sorry to tell you ISIS had enslavement, rape, and war crimes on their books and considered it policy. Not sure about flaying, they did propaganda videos of burning their captives, civilian and military alive. The crimes done to the Yazidi minority are probably the best known example of mass rape and enslavement.
Muad'Dib advocated killing innocents. I don't give one damn about what "Outsiders" think of his ban. He was scum. And people defending him? Yeah, no. There are better hills to fight against the Evil Moderator Overlords on.
I hate how everything in the Metal Gear Solid franchise keeps coming true except for the cool mechs.