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American Embassy in Iraq "Attacked"
- Thread starter TheHunter
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So we backed Saddam Hussein to prevent Iranian control then later remove Saddam Hussein and now Iraq is generally under Iranian control?
Those idiots didn't even know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. A Shiite majority country that has been ruled for decades under a brutal Sunni dictatorship, will naturally get cozy with the only other Shiite majority state (Bahrain is another Shiite majority state but it's under a Sunni monarchy) that was also Shiite ruled. A child could have told them what was going to happen.
Didn't ISIS pop up in a major way the second Obama tried to pull American Troops out of Iraq. I agree that the U.S. violated Iraqi sovereignty, but I see no clean way for the U.S. to simply leave Iraq even is everyone agreed we need to.
The origins of ISIS date back as far as 2004 when it was part of AQ fighting the US occupation.
They took advantage of the power vacuum the US left when they destroyed everything connected to saddam.
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Daniel Dale @ddale8Trump's motorcade has now left the golf club, less than an hour after his arrival and just after the Secretary of Defense announced that additional forces would be sent to the embassy in Baghdad.
11:43 AM - Dec 31, 2019
yeah, I had to actually read up on some of the stuff that happened. It seemed like the perfect storm of US intervention, Sectarian Violence between Shia and Sunni, and the government failing its people that led to their rise.
What's there to investigate? We already know this is Hillary's fault.
Both the US and Russia are Imperialist powers with selfish reasons to intervene. But in politics and real life you have to be a realist, if the fanatic Sunni forces who pose an existential threat to us are backed by the US and their regional allies then I don't mind having Russia, another Imperialist power to support us against them, their reasons for doing so don't concern me much as long as we're not getting massacred.
And as an Arab Shia, I identify more with Iran than any other Arab country, in a region that is divided between Iranian, Saudi and Qatari influence, I'd take Iranian leadership over the Saudis or Qatari, which again is an existential threat to us and has supported hardline groups against us.
ISIS grew out of AQ in Iraq, it was the result of Bush's failed policies in Iraq, government corruption and Shia retaliation against decade of Sunni brutal oppression. The Iraqi army turned out to be a paper tiger with many officers only on the payroll but not showing up for service at all. It took Iran and the PMU's to turn the tide against ISIS while Obama was delaying any aide to Iraq and demanding Nouri al Maliki to step down while ISIS was massacring left and right.
It's crazy how bombing of Iraq is played in US media like a defensive move against Iran.
Why wouldn't they?
Diplomacy is important, also, there are Americans in Iraq and they could use those services.
US media only pay attention to those things when Americans die, and the US figured out how to kill brown people with very few American casualties.
Jeeeez, that's pretty intense. Looks like a deliberate "show of force" to intimidate the militia supporters trying to storm the embassy.
I remember watching Bill Kirstol on TV in the lead-up to the Iraq war saying that the Sunni Shia divide is actually not a big deal and it's just overhyped by the liberal media.
That's the moment when I realized that the people who run the US foreign policy really have no fucking what's they're talking about.
Right on. Let's not forgot the Afghanistan papers from a few weeks ago. The point is that there's no point. Just a ton of money for contractors and some dead brown people that (apparently) don't really count to the policy idiots.
Same reason the US is not considered occupying force in Australia - because they're not there against the wishes of the government.
Their bias also shows when they portray those protesting around the embassy as militiamen, as if the general Iraqi population have their hearts pounding for the American occupation to stay.
The Iraqi parliament is probably going to vote out the American forces, but it remains to be seen how the government which its prime ministers has resigned would enforce such a vote.
Tell that to the Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese protesters who died at their hands. The government might want them there but the people are something else.
They kill 1 person and injure others
So we kill 25 and injure others in response
Wow what a great position.
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Which Lebanese and Syrian protesters? As someone living in Lebanon I'm curious.
They're all made from the people of those countries, The Iraqi PMU's are Iraqi people pure and simple, same for the Syrian and Lebanese backed groups.
I would also note, I have no problem whatsoever with that contractor being killed, he is part of an occupying force, he is a viable target.
I also love how every person the US kills in Iraq (or Syria for that matters) is "Iran backed".
Israel has been playing that game in Lebanon for decades.
People joke that IDF bombs are super special because they turn 7 year old kids into Iranian agents.
If you think the US should remain in Iraq that's one thing, but I don't think you should pretend that they want you there.
Also, let's not act like the US give a shit about any of that, if the US would have only bombed countries that wanted to be bombed you would have bombed way waaaaaaaaaaaay less countries. Probably none.
That's because they were militiamen, I'm also pretty sure the Iraqi people would take American government over our current and Iran's deep influence any day.
So you're saying the US will be greeted as liberators?
I think we tested that theory in Iraq already.
They're not, the PMU's are part of the Iraqi army, regardless of how the Americans feel about it, that alone makes them government soldiers. Calling them militiamen is an attempt to discredit them as legitimate protestors, which is ridiculous considering the Sadr backed protestors were never called militiamen even tho they were responsible for looting, killing and lynching a 16 year old boy, that' what I call double standards.
And no, I won't ever choose a murderous government that propped Saddam, armed him, betrayed us in 1991, sanctioned us killing over 500,000, then invading and occupying over several years resulting in even more misery. I mean that's typical Baathist Iraqi speak, the same people who look at Saddam's regime with rose tinted nostalgia glasses, but I dismiss those as idiots.
Even then we Iraqis didn't greet the Americans, from the start there was armed resistance, either from the Mehdi army led by Sadr to the Iranian backed forces. Ironically the only people who greeted the Americans are the same corrupt officials that the Americans are condemning, but this is typical American behavior, they prop up the corrupt and then turn on them when they become a liability, like they did with Hossni Mubarak, Reza Pahlavi, Saddam Hussein.
16 years these people have been ruling us and Iraq have been going downhill every year, people are sick of it and being controlled by Iran.
I've already talked about this in my previous posts, hint something to do with the leaders.
You're right, you won't choose, you yourself said that you live in Lebanon so you're not in the best position to do it, Iraqi people have had enough and just want a country that that works for their benefit and not for others.
It's always like this, but Americans always persuade themselves that people actually want to be bombed or sanctioned, because the US are the Good Guys™.
It most likely is. Show that you have overwhelming force in the hopes of deterring an escalation.
Who are you to decide that?
And what are you basing those assertions on?
For real, they have elections there, I know the US don't always get the results they want, but it's their country and their government and they're telling the US that they are extremely unhappy with those attacks and see them as an assault on their sovereignty.
You can decide you don't give a fuck, which is what the US usually does, but don't pretend that you're doing it because the Iraqi people want you to.
It's actually the most expensive embassy in the world. Cost a billion dollars to make. It's stupid.
Funny, most of those years it was the Americans actually running the show with Paul Bremer calling the shots, yet you want those Americans that created that corruption back?
Yeah and funny how in every election the winners are Sadrists and Pro Iranian parties.
The tens of thousands of Syrians killed by Hizbullah and Iran in the civil war there?
Yeah, when you pull a move like that with Apaches you're basically implying you'd use those Apaches if needed.
Someone that lives there and actually knows what's going on and how the people feel?
We don't know what they did exactly, but they were a defense contractor, so they're probably closer to military than civilian in function.
Either way, I almost never root for people dying, and I'm certainly not doing it here.
I don't think elections in a country corrupted to the root mean much, during Saddam's rule he was winning with 99% of the votes, do you think that was an indication of the people's will? but even if you consider them legit then the people's perception and mindset have changed for the better this year and no longer welcome Iran and their supporters.
You said Lebanese and Syrian protesters, Hezbollah and Iranian backed forces went into direct confrantion with Nusra Front, Jaysh al Islam, ISIS, Ahrar Al Sham, Faylaq al Raham, Soukou al Sham, etc.... After the full escalation of the Syrian protests into sectarian civil war.
I've met contractors before, most of them conduct maintenance for American forces hardware, that's aiding an occupational force to maintain it's occupation, he was an asset to them. Much like Blackwater guys are also contractors.
And as someone that also lives here, the fact that you want the country that starved 500,000 Iraqis back, caused untold misery and death, I'd say that's a pretty fucking stupid idea.
Where, pray tell, do these Iranian groups get their numbers from then? If they're such a minority then surely surely, a populace as heavily armed as the Iraqi would've overrun the Green Zone by now and ended the PMU's? No? I didn't think so. These PMU's are Iraqis, they are from this country, from Baghdad, Basra, Samara, Um Qasr, not from Iran.
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Regardless of your opinion on the US being in Iraq is, fact is that the US is currently in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi government. What you're doing right here is nothing short of condoning terrorism.