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AMD's desktop CPU share passes Intel's for first time in 15 years according to benchmarking PassMark Software
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Rocket Lake being back ported Tiger Lake to 14nm is a yuuuuuuuge red flag. It might bring enough IPC improvement that they beat Zen 3 but honestly, I don't care anymore about a few points. Everywhere else AMD is leading, and Intel doesn't seem to have a comprehensive plan to figure itself out. This last ditch effort to get some better IPC on desktop chips is honestly crazy in its own right.
On the mobile space they are doing much better agains AMD. Right now Tiger Lake is fine, although if Zen goes to 5nm this might change. But again, Lakefield is really promising, so I wouldn't count Intel out. I can easily imagine them losing most of the desktop market in the next few years, until they can bring 10nm Alder Lake or something that could finally shake up their lineup.
But on the mobile space there is Apple, and they have such an insane lead right now that I cannot imagine either AMD or Intel to catch up in the near future. And the M1X isn't even here. Like man, Intel cannot catch a break. Even their brand new Xe is getting its ass kicked by the M1 GPU, and that was literally their biggest feature (apart from having decent bins that can run at decent clocks).
On the mobile space they are doing much better agains AMD. Right now Tiger Lake is fine, although if Zen goes to 5nm this might change. But again, Lakefield is really promising, so I wouldn't count Intel out. I can easily imagine them losing most of the desktop market in the next few years, until they can bring 10nm Alder Lake or something that could finally shake up their lineup.
But on the mobile space there is Apple, and they have such an insane lead right now that I cannot imagine either AMD or Intel to catch up in the near future. And the M1X isn't even here. Like man, Intel cannot catch a break. Even their brand new Xe is getting its ass kicked by the M1 GPU, and that was literally their biggest feature (apart from having decent bins that can run at decent clocks).
Honestly, I am just waiting for Intel's response in their next lineup, and price adjustments. AMD has just finally become competitive, so let's hope Intel wakes the fuck up.
If not, only then will I maybe consider AMD.
If not, only then will I maybe consider AMD.
Is the combo working well? My 3080 should be arriving soon. I have a 3600 as well.
Your phrasing is weird, as if you were actively avoiding AMD despite being aware that it's better lol
Now to wait for Ryzen 5xxx series prices to reach the usual AMD price point, else its still Status quo.
After decades of being behind, I do not trust AMD's platform to continue beating Intel, and I prefer future-proofing at least a bit in that regard. Yes, AMD has taken a slight lead and Intel has become complacent/is struggling, but I don't trust AMD to keep their lead unless Intel shows they cannot compete in their next lineup.
All that matters to me in terms of PC usage is gaming performance -- all other productivity tasks are done on my MBP. I simply am not interested, nor do I care, about PC CPU/GPU performance outside of gaming, since I don't use PC for anything else.
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But... future proofing in what regard? I mean, if you buy a 11th gen Intel CPU and you want to upgrade to a 12th gen down the road you'll have to buy a new motherboard... just like if you want to upgrade from a Zen 3 CPU to Intel 12th gen. What are you future proofing by choosing Intel vs AMD? If anything, AMD actually has a history of supporting their sockets and chipsets for decent amounts of time lol
Also, AMD beats Intel in gaming so not sure why productivity has any relevance here
I don't get it, my Zen 3 CPU today beats Intel CPUs today, so what am I missing by having made the choice to buy my 5800X? lol
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Yeah, it's weird, the overview on the main page shows a 5% jump, but if you click through to the monthly details, there's only a slight bump.
I mean nothing, if you're building something today, the 5800X seems like a great value. At what point did I say otherwise?
I'm not planning on upgrading/building anything new until 2021Q2. I'm waiting on what 11th gent Intel looks like in terms of performance vs. Zen 3/4, whatever is competing from the AMD side at that time.
That's fine, I would have waited too if I was willing to hold off for longer. I just didn't understand the future proofing aspect
5600x and 3070 reporting in
Intel's consumer business is done for, they'll probably pull an IBM and retreat to being enterprise only. Apple and AMD totally ate their lunch. That's what happens when you get lazy and refuse to innovate because you think you're on top and nobody can touch you
Lol same. I would never trust my DIY PC rig on a critical project for a client, so it's just a gaming system. And Windows still doesn't fully support the codecs I rely on for work anyway, and probably never will
Intel's consumer business is done for, they'll probably pull an IBM and retreat to being enterprise only. Apple and AMD totally ate their lunch. That's what happens when you get lazy and refuse to innovate because you think you're on top and nobody can touch you
Lol same. I would never trust my DIY PC rig on a critical project for a client, so it's just a gaming system. And Windows still doesn't fully support the codecs I rely on for work anyway, and probably never will
By all accounts if I had to build something right now I'd go with a 5800X, no questions asked. AMD is simply ahead! I have the luxury of not needing to put anything together for a while yet :)
Not saying you are wrong, but you are comparing apples to oranges. The report is about a quarterly figure while the steam survey includes every single PC of the last decade(s) that participate in the survey. This also disapproves the other posters claim that only AMD enthusiasts would benchmark their system (or participate in hardware surveys)
And until Intel doesn't get away from the bigger silicon, they will never take back the crown. sure, they could release a paper tiger with awesome stats but because od the size of the silicon it would probably be in very short supply.
It's kind of hilarious how you went full sarcasm (in a pretty rude and dismissive way) and you are totally wrong.
Yes, AMD is not even close to Intel market share right now. The user you are arguing against isn't saying anything dumb, he's correct.
This website is such a small percentage of the actual market it's ridiculous people actually think AMD has 50% share on desktop computers right now.
And here's some much more realistic numbers, courtesy of Steam Hardware survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/
Of course, this is everything, desktop and laptop combined so the numbers are going to be a bit more skewed towards Intel, but a 75/25 split overall between Intel and AMD is still huge.
That being said, AMD definitely is capturing more market share back, and I honestly believe that in the next 5 years they truly will be ahead
Of course, this is everything, desktop and laptop combined so the numbers are going to be a bit more skewed towards Intel, but a 75/25 split overall between Intel and AMD is still huge.
That being said, AMD definitely is capturing more market share back, and I honestly believe that in the next 5 years they truly will be ahead
There will probably be a lot of advancement in motherboards over the next few years. DDR5, PCI-E 5, and USB 4 are all supposed to be coming to consumer parts within the next 2 years. With DDR5 I expect we will see speeds increase with the first few generations of products.
What I'm saying is that I'm not sure people will be as concerned with holding onto old motherboards across multiple generations of CPUs the way they were in the past few years when changes to Intel boards were pretty incremental.
If you only care about gaming the 5600x is the way to go. The 5800x is way overpriced and terrible value imo. The pricepoint of the 5800x is the big reason I delayed my build for a couple of months. 480-500ā¬ for an 8C CPU is just crazy.
The 5800x is in the same terrible product category as the 3800x & 3800xt were except there is no "3700x" you can buy right now for Zen 3. Hopefully this will correct itself in a couple of months when Intel releases Rocket Lake. AMD will have to release a 5700x to compete with the 11700k.
It's understandable to require a motherboard update to make use of CPUs that require something like DDR5, just like we did for DDR4 coming from DDR3, but to require a new motherboard going from intel chip to intel chip with no major tech change just makes me never want to upgrade until something like DDR5 is out because I have to change the whole motherboard just to support the new chip.
I would have upgraded to a newer intel chip a long time ago, but the only thing I'd gain for buying the new motherboard is the ability to upgrade the chip. I doubt I'd even be able to take advantage of NVMe gen 4.0.
Awesome, thanks for the info. I have a planned build/upgrade later in the year, so hopefully in a few months when 11th gen intel is out and nVidia's GPUs are actually purchasable will be a good time to build.
Props to AMD for never giving up and showing hard work pays off eventually. AMD was always playing catch up and Intel has only themselves to blame. Now only if they could do something about Nvidia. Nvidia needs a kick in the ass too.
Well, yeah, not a lot to beat considering that Intel's current desktop lineup is still based on Skylake from 2015.
This year with RKL and ADL should be really interesting.
How many AMD cpus are actually going in computers in those places? I have to imagine its a pretty small percentage. Out of the hundreds of computers I've used in multiple schools and jobs, all of them were Intel. Probably all low spec i3 and i5 machines, or at least all the ones I've checked.
Its possible things have changed in the past couple years, but I've yet to see an AMD powered Dell Optiplex or HP Elite or whatever equivalent desktop.
never thought i'd see it, but competition is nice
although idk how representative benchmarking software is compared to market share
although idk how representative benchmarking software is compared to market share
If I could easily find a 5900x I'd probably have bought one by now. Maybe in a few months time.
I've been diehard intel for a long time and I still want to see where they land when they finally get pcie4 support. But I've been browsing AMD in the meantime which is crazy and a testament to how far they've come relative to intel's continuous fumbles.
Have the 3600 and it is the low price king AMD deserves this win.
You're asking questions no one has an answer to besides Intel and AMD. At the end of the day there's no point making assumptions with no data to back them up, the factual data here shows AMD taking a lead in the Desktop space, until there is more information anything else is pure speculation.
Couldn't be happier about finally getting back into the PC world after 20-ish years and investing in the X570 platform. Went from a 3950X to a 5950X and love that I now have a single core AND multi core king CPU and am sticking it to Intel at the same time.
When I built my PC like 5 years ago, it had an Intel CPU (i5 6600K) and an AMD GPU (R9 390). Now, after some upgrades, it has an AMD CPU (R9 5900X) and an Nvidia GPU (RTX 2070). I'm really happy that AMD continues to challenge Intel, Ryzen CPU's are fantastic. Hoping they also push their GPU's. Thanks to DLSS I prefer Nvidia's products right now though.