And...we're done here. It was obvious from the start, people.
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What are the odds that AMD makes some kind of Zen 3/Radeon 6800xt bundle at a slightly lower price?
Before or after they restock the card since it's going to sell out Day 1?
Okay that decides it, I'm going with AMD this time! More than 2x, phew!
yeah, I guess 3dfx Voodoo vs Nvidia TnT vs ATI RAGE was to long ago that many people are not aware these days,
Nope, the next mode is FURY, i'm calling it , and the one after will be TNT mode.
not that long ago they also re used the Fury branding
I think some of their marketing people are a bit nostalgic!
if they want another "cool" name, there is MAXX
yeah, I guess 3dfx Voodoo vs Nvidia TnT vs ATI RAGE was to long ago that many people are not aware these days.
if they want another "cool" name, there is MAXX
I remember the Rage Fury Maxx! It was ATIs answer to 3DFXs Voodoo SLI with dual GPU cores. I still have mine below... The PCB doesn't have the box marketing though, as it's a Rage 128 Pro doubled-up.
This seems wrong. The packaging cost is missing, AMD also takes a cut for every APU sold and all the recent articles put the cost of a wafer still at almost $10k.
Also I am not sure, if the $10k is just the production cost, or if that includes TSMCs profit.
You know what, I'd upgrade my 8700k if that would guarantee me a 6900XT
Who cares what AMD will "unveil"? Nothing matters until the reviews will hit on 18th.
I don't know mate, 23 pages on this thread and the 300+ Ampere announcement thread kinda makes me believe that people care about what companies got to unveil before reviews.
100% hype is high and drives a lot discussion, but just like NV was exposed (again) for marketing massaged internal charts etc. I would expect same for AMD. What they market wont 1:1 line with what reviews will show, not that it means GPUs will be bad. I don't think they have gone overboard with marketing massage.
What is the actual release date for these cards? I missed that part.
I get you completely.
But in Nvidia's case the "rough" performance was still right. The 3070 was advertised as a 2080 Ti for cheap and it absolutely is that. Sure, some charts were slightly doctored and exaggerated, but the core message holds up. I doubt AMD is gonna show RT benchmarks that would put them ahead of Nvidia, as that could easily be disproven, so I'd still be interested in the ballpark. Factor in a STD of 10% and you're good to go in 95% of the cases.
Otherwise everything before release would be for naught, so this whole forum might as well shut down.
Nov 18 for the 6800 versions and (I believe) Dec 8 for the 6900.
Features, prices, approximate performance, sure. But that falls under detailed performance already which isn't something anyone should pay any attention to when it's coming from IHVs themselves.
Sounds like it:
Hardware
- AMD 500 Series Motherboards
- AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
- AMD Radeon™ RX 6000 Series Graphics*
- AMD Radeon Software Driver 20.11.2 or newer
- Latest Motherboard BIOS (based on AMD AGESA 1.1.0.0)
Yeah SAM seems super limited scope at the moment. Need ryzen 3 plus 500 series mobo. Uptake on SAM will likely take awhile by ignoring most of the Zen 2 owners. It's really only this point and beyond that can take advantage.
It's pretty jokes that from the looks of it AMD might hold the perf/W crown this time round.
On Linux a maintainer has said that it's supported for any platform with enough MMIO space, so a Zen 2 CPU coupled with a X570 motherboard should be good.
But because it's a feature relatively new on Windows I guess they are artificially locking it for the 5000 series CPU first, could also be done to incite to upgrade which would be a bit sad.
Source: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/for...d-radeon-rx-6000-series?p=1215708#post1215708
AMD will very likely also hold the ray tracing crown:
initial 6800 (non XT) raytracing benchmarks show it has RTX performance competitive to the 3000 series, even beating it;
AMD Radeon RX 6800 RDNA 2 Graphics Card Ray Tracing Performance Leaks Out, Almost As Fast As RTX 3070 With DLSS at 4K & WQHD
The first DXR raytracing performance benchmark of the AMD Radeon RX 6800 "Big Navi" RDNA 2 GPU based graphics card have leaked out.
wccftech.com
AMD will very likely also hold the ray tracing crown:
initial 6800 (non XT) raytracing benchmarks show it has RTX performance competitive to the 3000 series, even beating it;
AMD Radeon RX 6800 RDNA 2 Graphics Card Ray Tracing Performance Leaks Out, Almost As Fast As RTX 3070 With DLSS at 4K & WQHD
The first DXR raytracing performance benchmark of the AMD Radeon RX 6800 "Big Navi" RDNA 2 GPU based graphics card have leaked out.
I've gone from thankful AMD is creating competition to anticipating getting an AMD card if these are accessible. Can't wait to see more through testing.
Agreed!
I love how some Nvidia and Intel fans were saying: "we need AMD-competition, to lower our prices lol"
Be careful what you wish for, AMD did lower the Intel/Nvidia prices.. just not limited to retail, the resale value did also drop significantly.
I would look into a 3080/6080 level card around 300 euro so in 2 years I will building a PC instead of going PS5 pro
And just like Intel and NV they are now slowly boiling the frog, slowly raising prices gen after gen.
AMD loves and wants more and more money just like their competitors. I wouldn't expect them to stomp prices of mid or high tier into the ground because there is a lot dough to be made there with just some small undercuts.
300€ for 3080 / 6080 in 2022 - 2023 is very wishful thinking. That is a lot of dough left on the table for no good reason.
It's not; AMD has a steady roadmap with improvements planned for every year. 3080 will be (upper)midrange in 2021.
So in less than a year they are going to... 2-3x performance of their dGPUs in order for having 3080 levels of power be that cheap have make any sense?
There's also a lot of potential money to be lost if there's no decent pricepoint for midrange in a reasonable timeframe after next gen starts with people skipping their upgrade and switching to consoles. I don't think it's unreasonable to think RDNA3/Hopper with 5nm in 2022/2023 will deliver 3080 performance at the 300€ pricepoint where for example a 4060 matches a 3080. Even with Turing with no real node jump a 300€ 2060 matched a 1080.
Now this is a pretty ridiculous claim. I'd consider 400€ high midrange, right? AMD still has to release their 6700XT, which will probably be around that price point. So you're saying they're going to release a succesor to this card that delivers an extra 50-60% performance within a year? Either that or drop the price of the 6800xt with 250€ in a year...
For reference it's going to AMD about 1.5 years to release a succesor to the 5700xt and that succesor will only be like 20-30% faster at the same pricepoint. It's on the same node though.
Read my post again: I am talking about Q4 2022
3080 will be performing below 6080xt levels.
6080XT is 619 euro. It is not unreasonable to think that a 8060 would have the same level of performance.
look at the 2080ti, in 2 years a 1300 euro card is now performing below 6080 levels which is less than half the price
To be fair, they arguably did exactly that with the initial generations of Ryzen and Epyc. I don't think the conditions are right for them to do it with Radeon, I'm with you on that, but part of the reason they did it then was to overcome their negative reputation - which still exists in the GPU space.
Just to note, you're mixing up GPU naming. The "x080" type is for nVidia GPU's, for example the RTX 3080. AMD GPU's currently are numbered a little differently - instead of x080, it's x800. The X being the generation of cards and the following numbers defining the models. And so RX 6800.
You post states, and I quote, "3080 will be (upper)midrange in 2021". Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how 2021 == Q4 2022.
Post I originally replied to did deal with Q4 2022. I still think 400 - 500€ is more likely price point than losing over half of its value, but we see once actual architecture gains materialize. Drop will be steep for that power sure, just how that cookie crumbles :b
do you expect 3080 to be high end next year?
1) 2021 is when according to me 3080 will be upper mid range
2) Q4 2022 is when I expect to build a PC and when 3080 performance level (10GB mind you) for me is expected around 300 euro
This is all based on RDNA3 products expected for next year, and no way in hell will Nvidia allow AMD that big of a performance advantage.
Nvidia knows what AMD did to Intel
Sorry, thanks!
Yes? There won't be anything above 3080 but 3090 and 6900XT which are $1000+ products. This puts it into high end.
It won't.
That's two years from now and will likely be after the launch of next gen lineups meaning that 3080 performance will probably move down to around $400-500.
RDNA3 is 2022.
I don't think you can expect RDNA 3 to release next year. It will be Q1 2022 at the earliest (more like Q2/Q3).
Zen and RDNA always took more than a year to release between each architectural generation.
Nvidia might release a 3080 Ti.
It took *three years* for 2080 ti to hit mid-range (if $500 is mid-range) , what makes you think it'll take 3080 one year?
There won't be anything new high end next year other than maybe a 3080 Ti, and even then there's still the 3090. If the 3060 won't even beat a 2080 Ti, what makes you think Hopper will bring a 3060/GH106 class card that will be on the same level as the 3080 for $300?
With new nodes bringing less relative gains, things are going to slow down even further.
We live in 2020. 2080ti was released in 2018. 2020 minus 2018 is 2. What is your math?
We already know the upper boundary of what is possible with GA102 die - 3080Ti is about +10% to 3080 at best. It won't make 3080 obsolete, especially if you consider that they will likely put it at some $1200 price point.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me, sorry. RDNA3 will be on 5nm which is scheduled for 2021. I understand that you need a GPU right now or just bought one, but this is basically the equivalent of you saying to not expect anything better than 7700k / 4 cores. Yet here we are.
People will also claim that 8 or 10GB is enough for the generation. Until it isn't. Expect a 16GB 3080ti announced before the end of the year.
It's seriously, seriously not them with the wishful thinking. If you want other evidence, it was you that bought into the notion that RDNA2 will have better RT performance just a little earlier in the thread.
A process node being "scheduled" for some time doesn't mean anything for the production time of a large die PC GPU.
Also note that they are not even comitting to the use of N5 for RDNA3 at this point meaning that it's likely more than a year away from now.
I don't need a new GPU now nor have I bought one since 2019.
8 and 10 won't be enough for the generation but this hardly matter when we talk about 2022. The generation will last till 2026-27.
Not going to happen due to 384 bit bus. It's either 11 or 12 GBs for 3080Ti which aren't at all that different to 10GBs of 3080 and won't be enough for the generation either.
Note that RX6800 won't be enough for the generation too but for different reasons. So it's kind of a pointless comparison.
You're going to want to wait for actual outlet benchmarks on the 18th.
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