AMD announces two events for their new Zen 3 and RDNA2 lines (Zen 3 - October 8, RDNA2 - October 28)

[Phinor]

What case do you have and how many fans are installed?
I ask because every review for the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus i looked up showed great Temperatures.

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Phanteks Enthoo Pro, 3 intake (2x 140mm in front, 1x 140mm on the bottom to more directly feed GPU/chipset with air), 3 exhaust (CPU water cooled with radiator on top as exhaust). It's a pretty decent airflow case and all other temperatures are fine except the chipset. Do these reviews mention chipset temperatures specifically? VRM temperatures are great on this board and the chipset temperature isn't usually even shown in basic monitoring software.

GPU is MSI Gaming X Trio 2080 Ti so it does push a lot of heat and doesn't really move any of it out of the case but that's pretty typical.

 

[foamdino]

Should I get the ryzen7 3800 or wait to see about the new zen3 (at least I'm thinking that the older cpus may drop in price)

 

[Ra]

One person called the 3080 a "middle of the road" card, so....

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It's up to you, whether or not you entertain madness.

The 2080 Super is currently the 4th fastest card on the market.

New cards coming into existence don't change the actual, relative performance of what we currently own.

 

[Radec]

Should I get the ryzen7 3800 or wait to see about the new zen3 (at least I'm thinking that the older cpus may drop in price)

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Wait

 

[Caz]

Should I get the ryzen7 3800 or wait to see about the new zen3 (at least I'm thinking that the older cpus may drop in price)

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1. Wait
2. Don't get the x800 CPU for any Ryzen line; you can get the same performance out of a x700 CPU. Barring the 5800x being a 10-core (there were rumors about a 10-core CPU coming out of Zen 3) and the 5700X being 8, the most you'll get out of an x800 is a potentially higher overclock, albeit it will not be significantly higher than an overclocked 5700X.

 

[atbigelow]

I have a mostly complete build just WAITING for a CPU. Dying to get more Zen3 info.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

I have a mostly complete build just WAITING for a CPU. Dying to get more Zen3 info.

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Same.

 

[foamdino]

1. Wait
2. Don't get the x800 CPU for any Ryzen line; you can get the same performance out of a x700 CPU. Barring the 5800x being a 10-core (there were rumors about a 10-core CPU coming out of Zen 3) and the 5700X being 8, the most you'll get out of an x800 is a potentially higher overclock, albeit it will not be significantly higher than an overclocked 5700X.

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Yeah I'll wait and see what happens - unless the RDNA2 cards are unbelievably cheaper, I doubt I'll change from my planned rtx 3070

 

[Darktalon]

FTFY

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Based off the leak, the 5800X is the 8-core single CCX part, not the 5700X

 

[SolarPowered]

Should I get the ryzen7 3800 or wait to see about the new zen3 (at least I'm thinking that the older cpus may drop in price)

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If you HAVE to get something right now maybe something like a cheap 3100 (3300X if you're really lucky) or a used 3600 will get you by just fine. Getting an 8 core 3700X/3800X even at great deal prices right now only makes sense if you plan to upgrade to a 12/16 core 5900X/5950X later, but even then I'd wait since we're like weeks away from Ryzen 5000.

 

[Polyh3dron]

So are the Zen 3 CPUs going to have single core speeds that match or surpass Intel 10th Gen and better latency?

 

[ThereAreFourNaan]

Based off the leak, the 5800X is the 8-core single CCX part, not the 5700X

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Looking forward to the price premium lol.

 

[Vanta Aurelius]

So are the Zen 3 CPUs going to have single core speeds that match or surpass Intel 10th Gen and better latency?

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We'll likely need to wait until the reveal event on Oct 8th to get solid information. There are leaks, but there's no way to know where the final performance will lie until reviews are out.

 

[SolarPowered]

So are the Zen 3 CPUs going to have single core speeds that match or surpass Intel 10th Gen and better latency?

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Latency, clock speed and cache issues will definitely be improved with the single 8 core CCD, but even if Ryzen 5000 CPUs are outmatched by intel on clock speed AMD could still surpass intel thanks to a significant improvement in IPC. Rumors are pointing to IPC improvement as high as 20% for the 5900X which is bananas.

 

[Grassy]

Potential October 20th release date for the 5800X and 5900X hinted at here:

AMD to launch Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 7 5800X on October 20th? - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5000 “Vermeer” Yuri Bubliy the creator of ClockTuner for Ryzen has suggested on Twitter that AMD would launch its Ryzen 5000 series processors on October 20th. The first wave would feature two high-end CPUs from Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7 series. It is worth noting that Yuri is not sure about...

videocardz.com

 

[Sabin]

Potential October 20th release date for the 5800X and 5900X hinted at here:

AMD to launch Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 7 5800X on October 20th? - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5000 “Vermeer” Yuri Bubliy the creator of ClockTuner for Ryzen has suggested on Twitter that AMD would launch its Ryzen 5000 series processors on October 20th. The first wave would feature two high-end CPUs from Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7 series. It is worth noting that Yuri is not sure about...

videocardz.com

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So no 5700X this time.

Guess AMD wants to eliminate the cheap alternative for 8C/16T to cash in some extra money with 5800X pricing.

 

[dude]

I have a mostly complete build just WAITING for a CPU. Dying to get more Zen3 info.

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I have most of the things I want lined up - But I'm waiting on a Mobo as well, should I just buy a 570/550 one now or should I continue waiting? :(

 

[tusharngf]

i am still using ryzen 1600 hope 5600 will be a huge upgrade for me.

 

[Iron Eddie]

I have a mostly complete build just WAITING for a CPU. Dying to get more Zen3 info.

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Same.

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Forgive me but what exactly do we hope to get that the current CPU's don't offer?

 

[maximumzero]

Should I get the ryzen7 3800 or wait to see about the new zen3 (at least I'm thinking that the older cpus may drop in price)

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If you see one on sale, I'd say grab it. I don't suspect we'll see deep price cuts for 3000 series CPUs for a while, if ever.

 

[Bosch]

It's up to you, whether or not you entertain madness.

The 2080 Super is currently the 4th fastest card on the market.

New cards coming into existence don't change the actual, relative performance of what we currently own.

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2080 super oc come really close to a 2080 ti so for 1440p is enough for the next 2 years or until series 4000. But 8gb of memory can kill the card faster maybe the card will not be able to run games 1440p@ultra cause lack of memory.

 

[FSP]

So no 5700X this time.

Guess AMD wants to eliminate the cheap alternative for 8C/16T to cash in some extra money with 5800X pricing.

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Wouldn't surprise me if they're cribbing nVidia's style of having a big showy launch for a couple of high-margin products for the halo effect, before releasing the stack later.

 

[Serpens007]

Forgive me but what exactly do we hope to get that the current CPU's don't offer?

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I'm waiting just to see if I can

a) get a better price on the 3700x when the 5000 launches
b) get the 5700x for about the same price but ensuring a better cpu for the long run

 

[Iron Eddie]

I'm waiting just to see if I can

a) get a better price on the 3700x when the 5000 launches
b) get the 5700x for about the same price but ensuring a better cpu for the long run

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I see, yes I expect a price reduction. It will be interesting to see how aggressive their next wave of videocards will be.

 

[dgrdsv]

So no 5700X this time.

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Not at launch but likely later.

 

[Deleted member 30077]

Based off the leak, the 5800X is the 8-core single CCX part, not the 5700X

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What leak? The 5700x is not going to have less cores than the 3700x.

 

[eddy]

What leak? The 5700x is not going to have less cores than the 3700x.

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It may not be single CCX though. Makes sense to have an 8-core made up of any configuration of working cores off of 2 CCX'es.

 

[Ra]

So no 5700X this time.

Guess AMD wants to eliminate the cheap alternative for 8C/16T to cash in some extra money with 5800X pricing.

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Of course 5700X and 5600X will exist. No company is abandoning the mid-tier buyer, where the bulk of sales are made.

 

[Sabin]

Of course 5700X and 5600X will exist. No company is abandoning the mid-tier buyer, where the bulk of sales are made.

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In the news on videocardz the 5600X is listed but not the 5700X.

So i doubt that we will have a 5700X at launch this time.

 

[Iso]

I hope that the fact that there are only 2 SKUs rumored to be launching in October means they'll have higher stock quantities of each, rather than a tiny amount spread over 4+ SKUs.

Also, hopefully the 5900X isn't actually 150W like rumored. That's a 50% jump in power consumption!

 

[Carbon]

I hope that the fact that there are only 2 SKUs rumored to be launching in October means they'll have higher stock quantities of each, rather than a tiny amount spread over 4+ SKUs.

Also, hopefully the 5900X isn't actually 150W like rumored. That's a 50% jump in power consumption!

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Isn't the 5900x supposed to be a dual 8-core CCX design? That'd be 16 cores with 32 threads. Not exactly shocked at that power consumption with that many cores.

 

[Iso]

Isn't the 5900x supposed to be a dual 8-core CCX design? That'd be 16 cores with 32 threads. Not exactly shocked at that power consumption with that many cores.

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The 3900X is the 12C/24T. The 3950X is the 16C/32T CPU, so I'd imagine the 5950X will be the same.
Also, the "on paper" TDP for the 3900X/3950X are both 105W, so it's still a significant increase even if it was a 16C CPU.

 

[Carbon]

The 3900X is the 12C/24T. The 3950X is the 16C/32T CPU, so I'd imagine the 5950X will be the same.

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I was under the assumption they weren't going to do a 5950x this time around, since there's no easy-to-disable 4-core CCX this time.
Maybe I'm wrong, and they'll disable two cores in each of the chiplets based on yields. 🤷‍♂️

 

[ThatNerdGUI]

I was under the assumption they weren't going to do a 5950x this time around, since there's no easy-to-disable 4-core CCX this time.
Maybe I'm wrong, and they'll disable two cores in each of the chiplets based on yields. 🤷‍♂️

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If anything its easier now since the cores and the cache are unified.

 

[Polyh3dron]

Latency, clock speed and cache issues will definitely be improved with the single 8 core CCD, but even if Ryzen 5000 CPUs are outmatched by intel on clock speed AMD could still surpass intel thanks to a significant improvement in IPC. Rumors are pointing to IPC improvement as high as 20% for the 5900X which is bananas.

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Wow. Wasn't planning on upgrading from my 3950X but this has me seriously considering it, whenever they get around to releasing the 5950X, that is.

How can Intel even hope to compete with this?

 

[Carbon]

If anything its easier now since the cores and the cache are unified.

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Yeah nevermind, I see both Tweak Town and WCCFtech are reporting a 12/24 part coming, so I guess they're just disabling 2 cores per chiplet.

That is a sizable jump in power consumption over Zen2, but honestly as long as it can sit comfortably @ 5 Ghz on 12 cores (hell, even 6 cores), then I'll take it.

 

[Caz]

Of course 5700X and 5600X will exist. No company is abandoning the mid-tier buyer, where the bulk of sales are made.

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Don't forget the 5500X (that no one will be able to buy)!

 

[Fadewise]

Has there been ANY recent news about the X670 chipset that may launch with these? I've been scouring google for it but coming up dry; really trying to determine if I should just grab an X570 board now in case there's a rush on them after the announcements on October 8th

 

[M.Bluth]

Has there been ANY recent news about the X670 chipset that may launch with these? I've been scouring google for it but coming up dry; really trying to determine if I should just grab an X570 board now in case there's a rush on them after the announcements on October 8th

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Apparently there will be no new chipset.
Dunno if partners will release new revisions or models though.

I'm gonna wait myself.

 

[eddy]

Apparently there will be no new chipset.
Dunno if partners will release new revisions or models though.

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ASUS put out a press release that it is refreshing their B450 line. I think this is telling.

"Every refreshed B450 board now includes our handy BIOS FlashBack™ feature for easy firmware upgrades without a CPU, and we use high-capacity firmware chips across the lineup for the broadest possible Ryzen CPU support. Most of our refreshed boards have been fitted with upgraded power delivery and cooling, extra M.2 slots, and an improved selection of 10Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, USB-C connectors, and USB 3.2 Gen 1 front-panel headers."

 

[asmith906]

Potential October 20th release date for the 5800X and 5900X hinted at here:

AMD to launch Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 7 5800X on October 20th? - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5000 “Vermeer” Yuri Bubliy the creator of ClockTuner for Ryzen has suggested on Twitter that AMD would launch its Ryzen 5000 series processors on October 20th. The first wave would feature two high-end CPUs from Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7 series. It is worth noting that Yuri is not sure about...

videocardz.com

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That's so far away.

 

[Darktalon]

What leak? The 5700x is not going to have less cores than the 3700x.

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You misunderstand. A 4+4 part is much cheaper for AMD than making an 8+0 that can have no bad dies.
The 5700x may have 8 cores, but it won't be an expensive to manufacture 8+0

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I was under the assumption they weren't going to do a 5950x this time around, since there's no easy-to-disable 4-core CCX this time.
Maybe I'm wrong, and they'll disable two cores in each of the chiplets based on yields. 🤷‍♂️

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I'm pretty sure it'd be two 8-core CCXs this time.

 

[Carbon]

I'm pretty sure it'd be two 8-core CCXs this time.

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Right, that's what I had originally posted.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Right, that's what I had originally posted.

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Ah, I gotchya... Given how high yields supposedly are I don't think it'll be that much of a problem though I'm sure the prices will be going up since it was of course it won't be as easy as picking the best 4-core CCXs. I was wondering how they were going to do the 5900X, if it ends up being 6x6 I'm either going to go with a 5800X or wait (hopefully not too long) for the 5950X.

 

[Spoit]

I'm pretty sure it'd be two 8-core CCXs this time.

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Would that result in the same latency problems we see in the higher zen 2 models?

 

[∀∃:ETURNA]

I'm definitely planning on getting the 5950X. What's the likelihood that it will release within this year?

 

[civet]

A CPU-Z bench of what's supposed to be the 3900X running at 5Ghz has poped up:

" The chip scored 652.8 points in the single-core test which is 27% faster than the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X and up to 25% faster than the Ryzen 9 3900X. the alleged AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU scored a total of 9481 points which is a massive 75% improvement over the Ryzen 7 3700X & a 15% improvement over the Ryzen 9 3900X." according to wccftech.

 

[Rurunaki]

So.. is the 3900XT worth it or best to wait til next week October 8?

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I'm sure it won't be but I'd hope for the 5950X in November, if not oh well I'll go with a 3800X or 5900X depending on the core layout.

Would that result in the same latency problems we see in the higher zen 2 models?

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I think it'd be less of an issue with two 8-core CCXs, latency would still be reduced significantly from the L3 cache chances and infinity fabric improvements.

I'm still going to wait for benchmarks.