Am I unreasonable to be legit upset at Fury in Captain Marvel? (spoilers)

Dark_Castle · Mar 10, 2019

Chaz said:
...i think you need to take a step back and ask yourself if its really something worth being upset over

Wish it's possible to edit thread title, but I want to clarify. I'm not super upset, but more like really annoyed as someone who is quite invested in the universe 10 years in the making. Fury started everything for me, but this latest instalment just changed what I felt about Fury, and not in a good way.

bossmonkey · Mar 10, 2019

LL_Decitrig said:
This thread reminds me of the endless quibbles over Star Wars. Before you watched the film you didn't know how Shield came to acquire the Tesseract, how Nick Fury lost his left eye, and perhaps half a dozen other things I forget about. Now you know. Why so angry about learning more about this fictional world? It can't harm you, it isn't real.

But but muh fanfictions....

Thequietone · Mar 10, 2019

They could have only went two ways with it. Losing the eye in the car wreck when he realized Coulson was a skrull or the Flerkin. If he lost his eye to the skrull you'd be complaining that Fury trusts the skrulls too easily after losing his eye to one. This way is better because it avoids him trusting and helping the skrulls problem, and his eye being infected by an alien born bacteria makes sense that our medicine wouldn't save his eye.

Akira86 · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Wish it's possible to edit thread title, but I want to clarify. I'm not super upset, but more like really annoyed as someone who is quite invested in the universe 10 years in the making. Fury started everything for me, but this latest instalment just changed what I felt about Fury, and not in a good way.

It should have been a better story instead of them being cute and twee and clever. I agree with you OP.

But with such low investment in the retconning and rewriting of this one detail of a 70+ year old comic character for their early 21st century movie series though, I can only be annoyed and nothing more.

They only invented Flerkins like 5 years ago. *shrug*

pochi · Mar 10, 2019

This is Mandarin again lmao.

Pomerlaw · Mar 10, 2019

KingSnake · Mar 10, 2019

You're unreasonable.

It doesn't make Fury less heroic considering all that's happening in the movie.

MillionIII said:
she helped them for 20 years then?

Space travel and time relativity, how does it work?

Maybe we'll find out what she did in the Captain Marvel sequel.

Your complain is totally unfounded, really.

Yerffej · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Wish it's possible to edit thread title, but I want to clarify. I'm not super upset, but more like really annoyed as someone who is quite invested in the universe 10 years in the making. Fury started everything for me, but this latest instalment just changed what I felt about Fury, and not in a good way.

Why? He's always been a liar. To a good end but it's his way since he's a spy.

Blader · Mar 10, 2019

Hagi said:
There's a few things that they added to the MCU that I think they should have left at the door but the cat scratch was dumb fun in a good way.

I thought Carol being the reason they are called the Avengers was pretty stupid. Felt like a Star Wars everything is connected no matter how small kind of thing.

Fury's first experience meeting a superhero inspiring his idea for a superhero team made sense to me.

Mariolee · Mar 10, 2019

I really think this thread would've been more productive as part of the OT, considering this isn't exactly a new complaint and it may have potentially spoiled people before the thread title change.

ManaByte · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Wish it's possible to edit thread title, but I want to clarify. I'm not super upset, but more like really annoyed as someone who is quite invested in the universe 10 years in the making. Fury started everything for me, but this latest instalment just changed what I felt about Fury, and not in a good way.

Don't watch Agents of SHIELD, ever. Then you won't have to make a thread being mad that Fury lied to the Avengers about Coulson dying.

Brent Constantine · Mar 10, 2019

I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something?

KingSnake · Mar 10, 2019

I always thought Avengers was too on the nose as a name, so this being based on the nickname of the first true superhero that saved the Earth felt actually awesome for me. Makes total sense now.

Zackat · Mar 10, 2019

Yes, yes you are.

Deleted member 8468 · Mar 10, 2019

The films don't focus on this aspect of his character enough, but Fury's whole shtick is knowing everything and decieving everyone to get the results he wants. The flerken being the reason was goofy, but you me and Colson would all have lied about it too if we were in Fury's shoes.

If anything this movie just made me want to see a proper cold war era Nick Fury backstory film. They might need to recast, but if they could get the right actor it could be awesome.

Biske · Mar 10, 2019

Yeah totally. You should complain to someone on twitter.

MillionIII · Mar 10, 2019

KingSnake said:
You're unreasonable.

It doesn't make Fury less heroic considering all that's happening in the movie.

Space travel and time relativity, how does it work?

Maybe we'll find out what she did in the Captain Marvel sequel.

Your complain is totally unfounded, really.

And Thor and hulk where stuck on that trash planet yet they still got back for the events of iw, they can make stuff up for the plot, might as well say that she was stuck in a black hole it would make the most sense to why she was gone for so long.

R0b1n · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
And Thor and hulk where stuck on that trash planet yet they still got back for the events on iw, they can make stuff up for the plot, might as well say that she was stuck in a black hole it would make the most sense to why she was gone for so long.

Why couldn't she be helping other planets or aliens that needed more immediate help?

Dark_Castle · Mar 10, 2019

Yerffej said:
Why? He's always been a liar. To a good end but it's his way since he's a spy.

Fury's always a liar is a such low hanging fruit argument. Yes, Fury lies, a lot, but he does not simply lie to people he genuinely trust, like Captain America and Phil Coulson, at least according to my understanding and interpretation. Anyway I just think this "revelation" is stupid, that's all. I can't even comprehend why the alien cat would turn on Fury even though it was shown that Fury and the cat got along quite well.

Biske · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Fury's always a liar is a such low hanging fruit argument. Yes, Fury lies, a lot, but he does not simply lie to people he genuinely trust, like Captain America and Phil Coulson, at least according to my understanding and interpretation. Anyway I just think this "revelation" is stupid, that's all. I can't even comprehend why the alien cat would turn on Fury even though it was shown that Fury and the cat got along quite well.

Have you ever had a cat? Me and my cat are best buds and she only loves me, but sometimes she will still try and fuck me up if she's sick of my shit. Cats will cut you

CosmicGP · Mar 10, 2019

Yeah I was a little annoyed by it too. People have cited that it's because it cheapens his moment in Winter Soldier, but I'm just iffy about it because it was so silly.

I think I'd have accepted it if the movie had a tone like Ragnarok throughout, but the movie wasn't that reliant on gags in the first place. So Fury lost one eye because Goose wasn't in the mood... lol.

Akira86 · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Fury's always a liar is a such low hanging fruit argument. Yes, Fury lies, a lot, but he does not simply lie to people he genuinely trust, like Captain America and Phil Coulson, at least according to my understanding and interpretation. Anyway I just think this "revelation" is stupid, that's all. I can't even comprehend why the alien cat would turn on Fury even though it was shown that Fury and the cat got along quite well.

they closed the gap. writers do shit like that in fiction all the time. This eyepatch reveal for Sam Jackson's Fury has probably been in the works for a few years, just to close a loop in a clever way.

The fact that the cat should have been friendly wasn't going to stop that loop, so path of least resistance, a cat acts like an asshole for some reason. Plus it's an alien cat.

Deleted member 9479 · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Fury's always a liar is a such low hanging fruit argument. Yes, Fury lies, a lot, but he does not simply lie to people he genuinely trust, like Captain America and Phil Coulson, at least according to my understanding and interpretation. Anyway I just think this "revelation" is stupid, that's all. I can't even comprehend why the alien cat would turn on Fury even though it was shown that Fury and the cat got along quite well.

You obviously haven't known many cats.

KingSnake · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
And Thor and hulk where stuck on that trash planet yet they still got back for the events of iw, they can make stuff up for the plot, might as well say that she was stuck in a black hole it would make the most sense to why she was gone for so long.

So practically you're complaining that things didn't happen like you want to happen. Although you don't even know what happened yet, like you do with Thor.

entrydenied · Mar 10, 2019

Biske said:
Have you ever had a cat? My and be cat are best buds and she only loves me, but sometimes she will still try and fuck me up if she's sick of my shit. Cats will cut you

Yes. 3 strokes and she's happy. The 4th one gets me scratch marks on my arm, while the 5th has her licking the wound she created. It's not exactly a cat but they made it a cat for a reason. If you rewatch the movie you will see that it was getting annoyed when Fury was carrying and playing with her, right before the scratch happened.

subpar spatula · Mar 10, 2019

Fury losing his eye to a cat is like if Batman's parents were killed by an allergic reaction.

MillionIII · Mar 10, 2019

R0b1n said:
Why couldn't she be helping other planets or aliens that needed more immediate help?

Because there are a lot planets in the mcu, and I don't think that part of her powers is detecting danger so she probably helped the skrulls and probably a handful of planets.

KingSnake said:
So practically you're complaining that things didn't happen like you want to happen. Although you don't even know what happened yet, like you do with Thor.

They left a major plot hole and I'm discussing that, nothing wrong with it.

Khanimus · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
Is the joke really worth it?

Yes. It was hilarious.

Deleted member 9479 · Mar 10, 2019

subpar spatula said:
Fury losing his eye to a cat is like if Batman's parents were killed by an allergic reaction.

TIL Fury's entire motivation as a character is because he lost an eye.

it really isn't.

Biske · Mar 10, 2019

entrydenied said:
Yes. 3 strokes and she's happy. The 4th one gets me scratch marks on my arm, while the 5th has her licking the wound she created. It's not exactly a cat but they made it a cat for a reason. If you rewatch the movie you will see that it was getting annoyed when Fury was carrying and playing with her, right before the scratch happened.

Yup. Its probably the mos realistic part of the movie. My cat begs me to brush her constantly and when I do she's like "look pal you gotta stop brushing me or I'll kill you" on a dime. Cats: furry psycho traitors.

It's interesting though that people take these movies seriously and expect them to have some kind of back bone of lore and integrity, even though they are a collection of movies supposedly guided under a specific plan and blah blah its just popcorn ticket selling bullshit. Dumb fun.

entrydenied · Mar 10, 2019

subpar spatula said:
Fury losing his eye to a cat is like if Batman's parents were killed by an allergic reaction.

If you really think that then you are really bad at reading and comprehending lol

That was Batman's defining moment. For Fury this is Tuesday.

Biske said:
Yup. Its probably the mos realistic part of the movie. My cat begs me to brush her constantly and when I do she's like "look pal you gotta stop brushing me or I'll kill you" on a dime. Cats: furry psycho traitors.

Yup. I've been trying to get my cat into my room for the last 30 min but he's ignoring me and would leave the room even if I carry him in. 30 mins from now he's going to howl outside the door like I haven't fed him for a week because he wants to come in and disturb me for no apparent reason.

KingSnake · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
Because there are a lot planets in the mcu, and I don't think that part of her powers is detecting danger so she probably helped the skrulls and probably handful of planets.

They left a major plot hole and I'm discussing that, nothing wrong with it.

I think "plot hole" means something else that you think it means.

It's just an untold story that might be told at some point, that's all.

LL_Decitrig · Mar 10, 2019

Nepenthe said:
It's pretty dismissive to tell people unhappy with unsatisfying writing to fanfiction it away.

Well I could have been more dismissive, to be honest. I could ask why they bother with a franchise that clearly doesn't deliver the watertight, welded down microplotting they surely deserve.

Dark_Castle · Mar 10, 2019

ManaByte said:
Don't watch Agents of SHIELD, ever. Then you won't have to make a thread being mad that Fury lied to the Avengers about Coulson dying.

I actually do watch AoS. I can't remember if Fury explicitly lied to Avengers about Coulson's death though. Since MCU refuses to bring in ties with AoS and the netflix series, I always thought they just ignore Coulson and pretend he's dead because they don't intend to have present Coulson in present MCU movies timeline. Regardless, my issue isn't so much with the lie, but the utter silliness of it. Kind of a different issue here.

Biske said:
Have you ever had a cat? Me and my cat are best buds and she only loves me, but sometimes she will still try and fuck me up if she's sick of my shit. Cats will cut you

I wasn't being serious there. I know cats can attack even their owner out of the blue, but this is a movie trying to tell a story. Just a cat attack like that causing Fury to lose an eye? It just feels so weak.

MillionIII · Mar 10, 2019

KingSnake said:
I think "plot hole" means something else that you think it means.

It's just an untold story that might be told at some point, that's all.

So...a plot hole

R0b1n · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
Because there are a lot planets in the mcu, and I don't think that part of her powers is detecting danger so she probably helped the skrulls and probably a handful of planets.

Yes, you said it yourself. A lot of planets. She could be helping many along the way

Masoyama · Mar 10, 2019

Nah. Captain marvel is on the top third of best marvel movies because of the humor and how lightly it treat the characters and the stakes. This is what made it great.

Cipher Peon · Mar 10, 2019

I agree that it was lame and disappointing, but I'm happy that they addressed it.

I wish the Marvel movies took themselves more seriously :(

whatsinaname · Mar 10, 2019

Nah, pretty reasonable response to the scene.

I've started a petition to correct this wrong. They should add a deleted scene where his eye is fixed so that he can lose it again in some macho manly war mission.

Fury cannot lose his eye to Garfield. Disney pls correct this.

R0b1n · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
So...a plot hole

That's...not what a plot hole is

"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

From wikipedia. Carol staying out in space for an extended period is neither illogical nor impossible, and it doesn't contradict anything

Cymbal Head · Mar 10, 2019

Every detail in the universe doesn't need to have an epic story to explain it. Sometimes you lose your eye to a cat scratch.

KingSnake · Mar 10, 2019

MillionIII said:
So...a plot hole

Lol, you're taking "plot hole" literally.

wenis · Mar 10, 2019

You mean a spy lied?

Biske · Mar 10, 2019

Dark_Castle said:
I wasn't being serious there. I know cats can attack even their owner out of the blue, but this is a movie trying to tell a story. Just a cat attack like that causing Fury to lose an eye? It just feels so weak.

Sure.. but Fury is a regular human in a universe filled with Gods, so he is vulnerable to cats, like we all are. So why not. He's like that christmas present guy that got all merked up by his cat.

Dark_Castle · Mar 10, 2019

Cymbal Head said:
Every detail in the universe doesn't need to have an epic story to explain it. Sometimes you lose your eye to a cat scratch.

I agree, and on that note, not every detail in the universe need to have an explanation to begin with. Fury's missing eye is one of them.

MillionIII · Mar 10, 2019

R0b1n said:
Yes, you said it yourself. A lot of planets. She could be helping many along the way

How can she know who needs help? She doesn't have superman's Hearing ability, she physically needs to visit every planet and offer help. and in that time she didn't visit earth as far as we know.

R0b1n said:
That's...not what a plot hole is

"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

From wikipedia. Carol staying out in space for an extended period is neither illogical nor impossible, and it doesn't contradict anything

It doesn't need to be impossible but it contradicts the events of avengers 1 and 2, like I explained earlier, it's inconsistent story telling.

SweetNicole · Mar 10, 2019

The movie just came out, and there's already two existing threads for discussion:

OT: https://www.resetera.com/threads/captain-marvel-ot-higher-further-faster.103481/
Spoiler thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/unmarked-spoilers-captain-marvel-spoiler-thread.103613/

Not every thought about every movie that comes out needs its own thread. Please use the existing threads. Thanks.

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