Yeah it was pretty wack, why would goose scratch him? He was friendly to him...
Also I still don't get why Fury didn't call her in the avengers 1,2
Also I still don't get why Fury didn't call her in the avengers 1,2
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Am I unreasonable to be legit upset at Fury in Captain Marvel? (spoilers)
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I don't think the OP would disagree with you on that. The point he seems to be making is that it was a missed opportunity. The marvel series has blended silliness with seriousness through every one of their films. Arguably, this moment with Fury could have utilized the latter. The writers decided not to do so, which is fair, but I can understand being disappointed by that choice.
Haven't seen the movie but probably because she didn't exist yet in the mcu. She just debuted this week.
Honestly, it's so not interesting in the comics (Even the Ultimate one, and Jr.'s) I'm glad they changed it
It was a bit of a drag because it happened so quick and unexpected
Talos going "no it's not" or whatever he said was quick too.
Talos going "no it's not" or whatever he said was quick too.
But it's not a missed opportunity. This is Fury's character to a T. He's a lying manipulator who acts like he has it together but doesn't. This movie should make you like Fury more not less. And the story of how he lost his eye is cool as hell until you reduce it to what the OP has.
duh but how are they going to explain her just showing up in endgame?
As a viewer you have a seldom-mentioned secret weapon. You can reject the text. Head-canon is infinitely malleable. Don't like the story of how Nick lost an eye? Rewrite it in your head. There. Problem solved. You're welcome.
Yea I guess, but It's the reason right? Why not ask about every marvel character that exists and hasn't shown up yet?
Something something dr strange saw the only way to win in part 1
The whole reason he put together the Avengers Initiative was to have extraordinary people (like Carol) to defend Earth, so he wouldn't have to call her. She is a last resort. And it makes perfect sense.
But also to be fair, we don't know if Fury tried calling her during the Battle of New York and Sokovia. Carol will only receive the signal from Fury's pager if she's within 3 galaxies. And as we know she's been busy far and away helping out the Skrulls and other planets.
We already know the answer to this. Check out the "Avengers: Endgame trailer description" thread if you want to know.
While I'm on the side of Flerken defenders, this is also a little disingenuous.
People want answers to questions in their favorite ongoing stories, but they don't want to feel cheated or undermined in the process, either through the explanation or its delivery. Stories aren't real life with uncontrollable variables and happenstance; the nature of their deliberate crafting inherently promises some sense of catharsis for the audience who gave valuable time to devote to engaging in a work, even if the answers are inherently disheartening. You can't bullshit an audience by stringing them along to crappy payoffs and bad answers and then shrug your shoulders with "you got answers" when they don't take kindly to the bullshit.
There's a reason "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine" is a famous saying.
I think they already did that. Didn't you watch the film? She replied to the message he sent her on the pager she modified. You actually see her giving it to him on screen, and telling him she increased the range to a couple of galaxies.
I thought the reason he lost his eye was dumb as hell. Still thought the movie was decent as a whole. I just wish we can all get over using No Doubt in movie soundtracks to show off how bad ass this woman is... Not saying that it needs to be replaced by Dead Men Don't Rape or anything, but I've been hearing "Just A Girl" pretty consistently for the past 24 years... I'm sure there is something better out there.
Sure. But there will always be people who don't like how it works out. Fan communities are full of people who think they could write the story better. It's okay to feel that way, it's why fan fiction exists. But it's not interesting.
...i think you need to take a step back and ask yourself if its really something worth being upset over
Probably lol
Last resort to what? They literally had a god fight them in the avengers.
So suddenly Thanos shows up and she receives the signal? Why now?
Yeah I did, that's not what I'm asking...
Man, if this kind of stuff "Legitimately Upsets" you, try not to watch the News or anything even remotely serious.
You'll go Catatonic.
You'll go Catatonic.
Why does everything have to have some kind of serious fucking dramatic implication in a goddamn comic book movie
It's the perfect twist. "His secrets have secrets". He lost his eye to someone he trusted, it just didn't go down in the way everyone thought it was supposed to.
Y'all are just as bad as the nerds who kept crying about steaks for the first half decade of MCU. Actually this might be worse.
It's the perfect twist. "His secrets have secrets". He lost his eye to someone he trusted, it just didn't go down in the way everyone thought it was supposed to.
Y'all are just as bad as the nerds who kept crying about steaks for the first half decade of MCU. Actually this might be worse.
They also had a God on their side (Thor). And the Avengers handled it well. Hell, there were "only" about 70 casualties at that battle. The Avengers solved it. A last-resort is exactly what you see in Infinity War. Everybody around Nick Fury is dying in New York, he is reading strong signals from Wakanda, and he himself is literally turning to dust. So he hit the pager before he's gone and nobody's there to do it or understand what it's for. That's a last resort and it again, makes sense.
What are you asking then? Cause I read your question the same way as he did. She's been busy saving other planets, and turns up when she got the message from the pager.
She says in the movie that the pager only has a range of "a couple of galaxies". She wasn't in range and/or Fury thought the current team could handle it and didn't bother to call her. Maybe he didn't feel Loki or Ultron were emergencies.
Either way, both explanations work.
Both Avengers 1 and 2 are on a lower level threat wise than erasing half of existence as apparent in Avengers 3.
I'm engaged in Overwatch fanfiction myself, but I don't think it addresses the issue of a creator's work inherently being unsatisfactory. Me playing with other's characters in my head doesn't fix the crappy story they belong to, the crappy story I spent unrecoverable time with. It's pretty dismissive to tell people unhappy with unsatisfying writing to fanfiction it away.
I think it's a bit much to be legitimately upset, but I get why you would feel that way. For years, Fury was one of the most mysterious and cool characters in the MCU and how he lost his eye was one of the more interesting mysteries surrounding him. To have the answer be "It was scratched out when he tried to cuddle a comic relief alien who takes the form of a cute cat" is an extremely disappointing explanation for people emotionally involved in the MCU.
It's the same kind of complaint Star Wars fans have when it was revealed that the ultimate cool evil guy Darth Vader was just some guy with mommy issues who became evil because the Jedi said 'no' when he wanted to marry a girl.
It's the same kind of complaint Star Wars fans have when it was revealed that the ultimate cool evil guy Darth Vader was just some guy with mommy issues who became evil because the Jedi said 'no' when he wanted to marry a girl.
That's the obvious real-life answer, but in-universe they will have to think of a reason why no previous danger was ever seen as important enough to call the person who could literally fix it in seconds.
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Because Fury made the decision that the people he had was enough. He assessed the situation. But when he sees what's happening with thanos... Things changed. He didn't need the nuke yet. Thor and hulk being on your side is pretty good for a lot of threats.
What experience? What changed him? Maybe if we ever get the answers to that I'll have a different view of it but for now this is all we got.
Because Fury created the Avengers specifically to face those threats. The movie was pretty specific about this. After the Snap, for all he knew all of the Avengers were gone, so Carol was the last Hope.
So this whole time there was no danger at all in the Mcu, she told Fury "in real emergencies only" if I remember right, if he called her she would solve this whole loki/Ultron thing in seconds. What it comes to is the "signal range" plot device which means that because of that little thing she didn't help her friends on earth, and she has more reasons to do that than Thor since she's human, I don't buy the whole "busy" thing.
Are you really saying they'll have to make a fury movie that shows his greatest escapades over the last two decades to prove to you he's seen things since meeting Carol and where they are now in endgame? You'll refuse to imply something so simple?
Goose scratching Fury's eye out didn't bother me.
What did bother me was that Fury tells Carol that people who know him only call him Fury and not Nick or Nicholas, and that's how he knew his boss was a Skrull. But in Winter Soldier, Alexander Pierce calls him Nick when he asks to postpone Project Insight. And in Infinity War, Maria Hill calls him Nick when he's about to hit another car.
What did bother me was that Fury tells Carol that people who know him only call him Fury and not Nick or Nicholas, and that's how he knew his boss was a Skrull. But in Winter Soldier, Alexander Pierce calls him Nick when he asks to postpone Project Insight. And in Infinity War, Maria Hill calls him Nick when he's about to hit another car.
I thought it was kinda lame but I forgot about it in like five minutes. It's not unreasonable to dislike it but it's not really reasonable to stay mad.
The whole light speed engine mcguffin was worse.
The whole light speed engine mcguffin was worse.
But after watching IW for the first time last night, he doesn't even really know what's going on, they know there was an attack on NYC and that right now there's something similar but larger going on in Wakanda but other than some people around him disappearing he seemingly has no clue. Like the only actual real difference to me was in this situation he personally was affected and so pressed the button.
Winter Soldier and Infinity War take 2 decades after Captain Marvel. You can't base his actions in the past on things he will do when he's 15-20 years older.
If she's far away, and doesn't receive the signal. There's no way for her to know that Earth is in trouble.
But again, Fury has a viable reason for creating and using the Avengers Initiative.
People and himself is turning into dust. That pretty much screams last-resort.
The problem that this creates is that this retroactively means that no issue in any prior MCU film was really all that dangerous, because now we know that even if Fury miscalculated the danger and the Avengers did lose, he could've just paged in the solution to all the problems and saved the day regardless.
I know it's kind of a joke to go on about the 'stakes' in the MCU, but the existence of Carol and the fact that Fury is apparently always carrying a pager with direct connection to Carol with him kind of lessens the stakes even more. Even if Captain America and Iron Man were to die, there's someone a few days of travel (although, to be frank, we still have no clue how much time has passed between Infinity War and Endgame) away who can just fly in and save the day.
I think it's that he knows Stark, as Captain America puts it, "Earth' best defender" is missing.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they ignore the entire running joke from the original Iron Man in which Coulson is the one who finally names it SHIELD at the end of the film after calling it Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division the entire movie? Why is it constantly referred to as SHIELD in Captain Marvel?
I actually understood that line to refer to Thor. Because for all intents and purposes he's the one that's MIA to almost everyone on Earth.
I think this was retconned a while ago? I'm pretty sure SHIELD is already mentioned as being a thing in Ant-Man's flashbacks.
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