Only on this site are these games "mediocre" and "clumsy" I swear. TLOU2 has some of the best gunplay in its genre, and UC4 was solid.
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Alright, Gears of War needs a revamp/reboot/overhaul.
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Only on this site are these games "mediocre" and "clumsy" I swear. TLOU2 has some of the best gunplay in its genre, and UC4 was solid.
UC4 is a good game. But the shooting is the weakest part. Gears 5 did this mechanic better. I swear.
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At this point i dont care about gears 6 at all but man what I would give for gow 3 remaster, its one of my favorite game of all time. Imo it does everything better than 5 ( except technical aspects of course ) art, music, feel, horde, progression, story, characters, atmosphere, pacing. It would probably be my most played game the year it comes out.
Sounds interesting. Guess I will give it another go. Thanks for the write-up.
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Is that how you read it? That's unfortunate because that's not at all what I was saying.
try again, this time read
I want to see Microsoft let id Software do a Gears spin-off FPS game. Don't permanently abandon the classic gameplay, but drag the series back in time to the first trilogy and have a side-story that doesn't involve Marcus and friends. Gears Tactics was amazingly fun, and I think adding more spin-off games to the series could breath life into the Gears universe.
A lot of dumb ideas/takes in this thread and I have to laugh at those who want a 6-10 hour Hivebusters experience for Gears 6...so essentially Gears 4! Just let TC do what they do in peace, the franchise is in good hands from what they've delivered so far and I personally cannot wait to see what the events of Gears 6 brings.
I do expect it to close the chapter on the Locust, as they aren't the most compelling enemy now that we pretty much know all about them. Maybe Sera too if all the UIR space program chatter in chapter 3 of Gears 5 is anything to go by.
I do expect it to close the chapter on the Locust, as they aren't the most compelling enemy now that we pretty much know all about them. Maybe Sera too if all the UIR space program chatter in chapter 3 of Gears 5 is anything to go by.
I'm fine with spinning of the Gears Multiplayer into being it's own thing to be honest. I think the weapons feel great, however that's for a MP game where balance is a very real factor to contend with. I honestly think the series should introduce abilities (though only if we can keep the original Gears MP in some way). Mass Effect 3 had some pretty fun combat, despite the jank and the limited enemy design, which TC could do way better.
Can we please refrain from comparing Gears to other 3rd person shooters. It honestly feels like asking can Doom play more like Call of Duty. Gears is really it's own beast and does many things better than other series. It's only the auto rifles that lack impact. However, I do admit the series core hasn't really changed much over the years.
Can we please refrain from comparing Gears to other 3rd person shooters. It honestly feels like asking can Doom play more like Call of Duty. Gears is really it's own beast and does many things better than other series. It's only the auto rifles that lack impact. However, I do admit the series core hasn't really changed much over the years.
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Good enough? Absolutely. Popular enough? Making it free to play as its own platform could be huge.
Gears 5 already has many cool unlocks like crazy executions, funny voice lines that are spammable (key part lol), lots of emotes that actually don't feel out of place anymore (people used to the idea of emotes in Gears), different target marks, etc. All kinds of stuff people could have fun progressing.
And not to mention it feels incredibly rewarding when you start to see the matrix. Gears' movement may be clunky, but that's deliberate. It's still incredibly responsive, smooth and fast to move around once you get the flow of it, which doesn't take a lot, honestly.
I agree with this. Ive been saying that both Halo and Gears should have their multiplayers be seperate clients with their own rulesets and game mechanics, while a big new SP game is worked on. Halo is getting closer to this with its MP being free.
though if gears qas put in a comma for a decade and we let the coalition do their own thing thats fine too
It would be interesting if there turned out to be something new on the moons. I remember that throwaway line by Baird in G1 mentioning rumours about the Locust having come from there.
Yeah lets scrap a hugely succesfully and highly reviewed IP because some resetera members don't like it.
Lack impact how? Because right now there's 3 very strong full auto PvP weapons.
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Tone wise, I'd like to see a return to the almost horror feel of the first, less straight up Hollywood blockbuster. Bring back the light and shadow mechanics of the first. Bring in the perspective and tighten the encounters to feel more threatening. Scary. The movement, IMO, also needs a total overhaul. Make it feel much more natural and graceful, where Gears to me has always felt awkward, clunky, and chunky (both in the snap to cover mechanics, but also just in general with things like the rodeo run). This of course needs to translate to play spaces that feel more natural and organic. I'd love the completely linear path and obvious battle arenas littered with chest high cover to disappear. Finally, lets ditch the bulky, 90's Liefeld style character designs too, they feel incredibly dated and silly.
"Objectively" lol.
I'd disagree because you can just pump full clips into enemies that don't react whatsoever until they fall over dead.
At least switch up the next game then. I had some interest in Gears 5 but every time I looked at any gameplay footage it looked like it played exactly the same as the first game. The Gears-style pop and stop combat design feels super basic and frankly downright decrepit in how dated it looks.
People bring up God of War as an example of how a franchise can be salvaged. GOW radically changed how those games played, it didn't just slap on an open world and called it a day. That IP was dead for me after Ascension, but they managed to bring me back with a massive reinvention.
The Coalition team seems to be really talented. And they also seem to be held back by this IP.
Yeah and they don't really feel impactful, despite how strong they are. I don't know about other 3rd person shooters, but I had definitly played FPS's where the auto rifles feel better. Zhalo supercell or Suros Regime from Destiny for example feel a lot better to me.
I do admit that the Lancer GL is cool and an improvement from what came before.
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Amen. I played the original and I didn't liked it. It was one of my most hyped games when I was younger, but I just couldn't get into the game. Many years later, I love the graphics, I am even interested in the story and characters, but the gameplay being the same has kept me away and uninterested from the franchise. It has always felt the same throughout the franchise. I like the horror route idea, even though I would probably just watch others playing it because I am a coward lol.
People saying gears doesn't have good gunplay...lol. There isnt a single third person shooter that has ever existed with better gunplay.
To me the series was always more compelling as a 3D imagining of Contra rather than a vehicle for deep characterisation or open world exploration, etc. Explaining the Locust in depth rather than treating them as a modern version of unknowable 90s Konami body horror enemies seems like a mistake. It's still mechanically very enjoyable but I would enjoy the games more if the pace was considerably higher.
Wrap it up and trash it. For as good as the tC has done regarding graphics and technical aspects of the gears gameplay, they have comically mismanaged the community by trickling out maps and game modes way after everyone has moved on from caring. Gears 5 is almost a year and a half old and the community is dead and tC's answer to get people back in is achievements for prestige 50 and a standalone hivebusters campaign when thats the least liked game play mode? They are wasting their time. Dump out a single player gears 6 and go concentrate their efforts on something that might actually turn into the microtransactions based behemoth they wished gears would be.
Comparing Gears 5 with Gears 4, they already worked on giving guns more punch and enemies different reactions to when they're shot. Also, those new head-pops are pretty cool.
Also, if you play the game on easy (lower enemy health), the effect is even better, but it makes the game a non-challenge. But so does the revive if you play on normal. I think, I'm ok with just being there for the story and no challenge tbh, but it would be different it was a game I'd have to pay $40+ for.
The problem is the bullet sponginess. How do you make a game with rather slow movement and guns that shouldn't go "flachette rocket launcher, double chaingun with uranium bullets, shrapnel trigger whatever gun" and instead still be based around more normal military weapons ...how do you make it less bullet-spongy without throwing a million cannon fodder enemies on screen or making every 4th enemy a brumak for the challenge (where there is less disconnect with the sponginess). It wouldn't be fun and there would be a big discrepancy from how many bullets a campaign enemy needs to finish him off vs. how many bullets a deathmatch multiplayer opponent takes.
Also, if you play the game on easy (lower enemy health), the effect is even better, but it makes the game a non-challenge. But so does the revive if you play on normal. I think, I'm ok with just being there for the story and no challenge tbh, but it would be different it was a game I'd have to pay $40+ for.
The problem is the bullet sponginess. How do you make a game with rather slow movement and guns that shouldn't go "flachette rocket launcher, double chaingun with uranium bullets, shrapnel trigger whatever gun" and instead still be based around more normal military weapons ...how do you make it less bullet-spongy without throwing a million cannon fodder enemies on screen or making every 4th enemy a brumak for the challenge (where there is less disconnect with the sponginess). It wouldn't be fun and there would be a big discrepancy from how many bullets a campaign enemy needs to finish him off vs. how many bullets a deathmatch multiplayer opponent takes.
This is the words I was looking for that best sum up my feelings actually.
It is a series that for me is now very much "been there, done that"
I was surprised at the praise for Gears 5 tbh, I thought it was pretty mid.
I enjoyed the moment to moment gameplay in U4 more than Gears 4 or Gears 5. ND has been incrementally improving their games, Gears feels stuck and haven't progressed. I would say the Jack rpg-lite mechanics were a good idea but poorly executed. Gears currently is pure eye candy with no substance. The characters are uninteresting compared to the original trilogy.
I say let the franchise rest and come back with a true reboot.
Btw I'm in the camp that Gears is a better franchise than Halo. I think Halo 1 - 3 are overrated and Gears 1 - 3 are underrated.
according to the OP The Order (king of mediocrity) is one of those very games š
I think the OP meant how the enemies react when getting hit. But I agree its pretty bizarre to compare the two.
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The gunplay in Order was only referenced for its visceral feel, punch, weight and impact it has on enemies. Nothing to do with the "gameplay", its the specific act of shooting a fun and bullets hitting enemies. Not that I think you actually have good intentions of having a good discussion here but hey, figured I'd explain AGAIN.
No one is attacking your soul by criticizing your favorite games, btw.
Yah not trying to say gears 5 is a better or worse game overall. I enjoyed both a lot. But the shooting part specifically in gears was much better. There were encounters in UC4 that I just wanted to skip and get back to the puzzles and climbing.
I'd say so, if you can find someone to play the campaigns in coop with. I'm going through a replay of the series and I had a blast with Gears Ultimate in coop after not playing the original since 2007. The games aren't very long either (1-3 at least, I can't speak of the others because I haven't played them).
Also 2 and 3 are X Enhanced so they are 4K on Series X and look as good as 360 games can look. The only outlier is judgement since it still runs at 720p sadly.
I dont agree, and even if I did, it's one game. Where are these amazing 3rd person shooters gears should be imitating?
The thing is Gears 5 is already half way to being F2P given that it is part of Game Pass and it launched with that ludicrous deal ($2 for 2 months of Game Pass Ultimate). I think it's easy to think free to play = success but it's still a brutal market.
I honestly just don't think Gears is seen as a hot property by people, the people who like it are willing to pay to play it, going free to play only works if you can make people excited about the multiplayer. Nostalgia only gets you so far.
I enjoyed Gears 5 and even replayed it on the Seties X, but I completely agree. I feel like the gunplay went from top of the line in the late 2000s to subpar now. Guns feel like toys, and enemyies feel like fodder a lot of the time. I also agree that the stop and pop gunplay needs an elevated form.
Going free to play doesn't mean auto success, but it will help at least. And of course, that is the job of any studio: to make people excited about their game. Can't just slap free to play on Gears 5 to get people excited about playing again. It needs to be a new product and designed around it being a platform.
Look at any video of the lancer from Gears 1 to now and you'll SEE and HEAR the difference. The guns absolutely have lost punch and feel over the years. TC lost most of the Gears sounds and assets and had to remake them so I feel a little sorry but they've had enough time to rectify that.
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Gears 5 lacks weight and intensity
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there's only 1 character in the whole series that looks like that and it's the main character's uncle. Nobody else in the game looks or sounds like that.
I can only assume you haven't played Gears for a few games because this is the fat dude with a chin strap beard that fronts Gears these days...
I think he's referring to Oscar.
"best realistic gunplay" you mean
They tried that with Gears 5. Even the game director directly mentioned adding elements from God of War.
