Yes, but the point isn't that you actually agree with them, but saying "it makes sense" only further justifies their concern in their eyes and may cause doubt in other people. The point is that this is how disinformation takes hold and then spreads.
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My coworker read an article and now doesn't want to take a vaccine. :/ It's amazing how much a single piece of misinformation can change minds just like that.
Very fair point. I'm an immunologist that works at a medical center. I can't tell you how little training medical students receive on immunology! Which is crazy when you think how involved immunology is in almost practically every part of medicine. Vaccines, inflammation, infections, viruses, colds, flu, autoimmunity, allergies...the list goes on. All immunology! MDs get a year of anatomy training, but maybe a few weeks of immunology courses.
I'm an immunologist and as soon as I can get the vaccine, I'm getting it! The risk (very very small) out weighs actually getting COVID!
Volunteers took it months ago.
Healthcare workers and people in assisted living are taking it now.
They won't be anywhere near the first.
People who are worried about vaccine side effects are dumb. Even if they existed, would you rather deal with coronavirus side effects instead?
It's all emotional, but then, many of the things we do are.
More importantly, vaccines feel less in our control. You can say to yourself "well, if I'm careful, I won't get COVID at all!"
Then you can discount the complications, potential spread, etc. Oh, and thinking only of yourself, you can say "well, if I get it, odds are I'll be okay."
But a vaccine, you're suddenly thinking it's out of your control what happens & it's scarier. So you have one article that seems reasonable & then the availability heuristic does the rest.
Same reason people will fear airplanes and not, oh, stairs.
While I can be sympathetic to that point of view, it's fundamentally wrong and demonstrates absolutely no understanding of the development and testing of this vaccine, nor its potential impact on this pandemic.
i think a lot of people will come around when they have friends and family memebers who have taken it and are fine, and when the gravity of the potential societal benefit sets in
Has there ever been any widespread severe side effects in a vaccine through out history? I initially didn't want it if Trump forced it out before the election, but once I found out the US didn't even have anything to do with the first one, that fear went away, lol.
That's completely false.
USA TODAY
www.usatoday.com
In a USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll Wednesday through Sunday, 46% say they will take the vaccine as soon as they can. That's close to double the 26% who were ready to get the shot as soon as possible in a USA TODAY poll in late October. In the new poll, 32% say they will wait for others to get the shots before they do so themselves.
Scientifically, that's not a valid concern, and someone who brings it up is ignorant of the process of testing and development of this vaccine, period.
being a doctor does NOT preclude you from being a dumbass, being ignorant about things or just being wrong. it's also important to keep in mind that being knowledgeable about one area of specialization does not mean youre knowledgeable about other areas necessarily.
I'm sorry your social circle is filled with dangerous idiots, op. Please keep doing your best to convince them. The longer this virus continues to spread, the greater the chances are it could mutate to a point that the vaccine isn't effective.
I honestly don't get all this skepticism about COVID-19 vaccines. If there's skepticism about mRNA vaccines, there's literally going to be several more vaccines by the time the general population can even get access to even a vaccine. If none of them manage to placate their concerns, then the problem isn't with the vaccines -- it's their deep rooted unfounded skepticism, and that has to be addressed.
Doesnt help when you have entertainment celebrities saying its going to give you microchips from the government. The anti-vax movement is going hard in POC communities right now through the vein of "just asking questions"
I'm fine with people who don't want to be part of the first rush of vaccines, but by the summer anyone still opposed to it can be banished to covid island.
The kicker is, having a baseline knowledge of microbiology, despite being the newer technology, the concept of a mRNA virus is far safer on a conceptual level. The list of ingredients for the COVID vaccine are largely things I generally understand or can look up simply...it just looks like a much better method than traditional vaccines based on my understanding and I just got my flu shot a few weeks ago, so I am okay with the old ones, but this mRNA method seems amazing by comparison.
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Easy to say when it seems to be a stance of the majority of my country (Poland), even a lot of healthcare workers are against getting vaccinated. Which is even more bizarre when all politicians (except alt-right, because of course...) and mainstream media are talking almost 24/7 about the importance of vaccine.
Bolded is already happening, a couple of days ago one person send me screenshots of article about 8 or so people developing side effects after getting their shot, so I asked "Ok, but how many people get the vaccine?" Response? "Around 3k, BUT STILL!
Critical thinking among general population is dead, if it was even alive in the first place.
I know a girl that works as a paramedic, she lost smell for 3 months after getting infected with covid, you would think that would be enough to convince her to take vaccine, but noooope!
My experience, word for word.
Great post(s), thank you!
Tried that, along with Marco Rubio example, no success.
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this is what my wife is saying
ill take it ASAP because im an essential worker dealing with different people every day.
Yeah, I was absolutely shocked. I felt like a minority in the workplace when I expected the opposite.
People, if there were serious side effects, we'd have seen them already.
The first human test for it was around April, and that person is fine.
The first human test for it was around April, and that person is fine.
Oh, I'm gonna plan on the worst of the common side effects and either get mine on the weekend if I can or take the day after off. I don't expect that to be a certain result, but I'm gonna plan on being on my ass for a day or two after for the sake of planning my work. If I don't get the worst effects, I just go to work and I've got a free day in my schedule to make up for all the meetings I typically have to take.
EXACTLY THIS. Doctors specialize in a specific field and have their knowledge in that field. Too many doctors try to extrapolate their general education and speak on things outside their concentration, and thats how you end up with anti-vaxxer cardiologists. Science and medical science is an incredibally complex medium, studying all your life only gives you a sliver of all the information out there. When a doctor speaks, see what his field is in and base all his statements off of that. Doctors and Nurses can be just as ignorant as your average person, sometimes moreso since their blinders give them a false sense of gravitas in fields outside their own.
preaching to the choir but I'm not arguing about it with her anymore.
I mean, the active portion of the vaccine is the mRNA itself. As far as I am aware, it dissipates quite quickly (hence the need for a booster shot). The rest of the ingredients are (mostly) relatively simple scientific names for things (lipid = fat, sucrose = sugar, etc.). I think there are only two ingredients, maybe three, that aren't simple compounds that are either A) naturally occurring in the body B) commonly used for many medical procedures/medications.
Yeah, we've done all the theoretical work and looked at the short-term effects, but until the vaccine has been out there for 5-10 years we won't know for sure. I'm not saying people shouldn't take the vaccine because of that, but it would be nice to have an honest conversation about this rather than just start off with name-calling basically.
This is where I'm at with the people I know that don't want to take it. I feel like it's almost a stubbornness thing at this point with anyone who needs convincing around me, they're like "I'm well educated enough to decide not to take it and I already decided to wait; gonna grab onto negative stories to justify the position and who cares about immunology theory, there are no long term studies". I'm gonna wait till it's actually available for them and try actual convincing then.
On a side note, isn't the mRNA vaccine just producing the spike protein that COVID already has anyway? Why would that cause issues that COVID doesn't already cause? Apologies if this has already been discussed.
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My wife got her first round on Sunday since she's a nurse. I'll be getting mine as soon as I'm able. I ain't got no time for anti-vaxxers in my life.
Considering the stress actual covid puts your body through, I wouldn't expect this mRNA vaccine to have worse long-term effects. This a clear cut case of the benefits outweighing the costs imo.
Well....
What Are The Long-Term Safety Risks Of The Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 Vaccines?
How much data do we have on the long-term safety of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Covid-19 vaccines developed during Operation Warp Speed? Perhaps more than you think.
www.forbes.com
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People keep mentioning long term side effects as the reason why they won't take the vaccine but what could those side effects be? Do we have any info on that or is there a known vaccine that caused unexpected side effects?
It's annoying seeing people that were asking for a vaccine the whole year now claim that they won't take it cause some random person said it's not safe.
It's annoying seeing people that were asking for a vaccine the whole year now claim that they won't take it cause some random person said it's not safe.
Some on the Pfizer vaccine trials did get Bell’s palsy, but not more than we’d expect by chance - Full Fact
Four volunteers developed Bell’s palsy after getting a Covid-19 vaccine, but this doesn’t mean they are linked.
fullfact.org
This is is great, the long-term effects study had 101 participants. I think the line we should be going with is the one from the article focusing on the benefits outweighing the risks rather than just yelling that it's safe and shutting down any conversation.Well....
What Are The Long-Term Safety Risks Of The Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 Vaccines?
How much data do we have on the long-term safety of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Covid-19 vaccines developed during Operation Warp Speed? Perhaps more than you think.
Yes, 100%. No more deactivated or live viruses. We just get our own cells to produce the protein necessary for the immune response. And the possibilities are endless... we might even get mRNA insulin as well, as the technology can theoretically get our cells to produce anything we want.
By all means, that's fine, it's just wrong to say there is no long term data at all on mRNA. It's minimal because it's not been used to any great level before, but what there is has shown no issues.
Also, it shouldn't be forgotten that away from mRNA, there's a whole load of other vaccines expected to report soon enough. From the very traditional 'inactivated virus' ones (where I believe one should be reporting trial results tomorrow), to the other approaches like Novavax and AstraZeneca... The point is, if the issue is 'mRNA is new', there should be an alternative along soon enough.
(The irony is I do know people who would prefer to wait for a 'traditional inactivated vaccine'... when there's actually been notable issues with those in the past, with batches not being sufficiently 'inactivated'. Again, super ridiculously rare, happened a long time ago, and if they prefer that approach then fine, a vaccination is a vaccination. But if 'side effects' is that person's problem, then...)
This is all good, I wish there was more in-depth conversation on this with the public rather than treating people like idiots. At the end of the day everyone will have the personal responsibility whether to get vaccinated or not.
I just want the people in my personal bubble to get vaccinated sooner rather than later, especially my parents. That way, I will still be cautious when I'm out in public (masked up, washing hands, etc.) but can relax that I'm not going to kill my parents because I had to go to Costco to get something.
See, this is a very dangerous approach in a liberal democracy.
Is it?
We have a collective responsibility to protect each other from this virus, the vulnerable who are unable to get the vaccine shouldn't suffer because someone who can safely get it "wants to wait it out, just because" or "I don't trust vaccines".
Like, get over yourself.