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aronmayo

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Jul 29, 2020
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Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
 

Sonix

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Aug 3, 2020
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Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
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Unreal Engine is not the store. Its not a product of the store. The only relation between them is that both are products of the same (parent) company and that the EGS is built with Unreal Engine. The store moneyhatting exclusives and being a barren wasteland in terms of essential features has nothing to do with a video game engine.
 

Alvis

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Oct 25, 2017
11,228
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Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
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War95

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Feb 17, 2021
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Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
Why should I punish a perfectly find dev for using a tool with a lot of documents on how to use it? What the hell
 

Pasha

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Jan 27, 2018
3,018
Was one of their goals is to give me a shit ton of free games that I never play?
Is so then yes.
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
I bet you felt smart as fuck writing this, didn't you?
 

Deleted member 93841

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Mar 17, 2021
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I don't think Epic's store exclusives are inherently bad but I do believe they were poorly executed. If Tim was smart he would have stuck to indies and used it as marketing campaign to get people to soften on Epic and come to the store. Hard to hate a company cutting indies fat cheques in exchange for timed exclusivity. The video game industry is incredibly tough to get into for indies but so many people don't get that and then get irrationally mad at people for taking a payment from Epic.

The thing is, it seems to be indies that are suffering from being epic exclusives. It's a catch 22. Without that fat paycheck, many Indies can't make the games they want to, but once they take that paycheck, they struggle with visibility and sales on the EGS.

Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).

What kind of gotcha were you hoping for here? Because the only thing you managed to prove is that you don't understand why people "boycott" the EGS.
 

Faabulous

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Oct 27, 2017
255
Honestly, they're obviously not market leaders but I don't see them as a failure either.

I was one of the people that was pretty resistant to buying stuff there (due to lack of linux support and steam input) but those were worked around and now I've bought a few games there (Anno, tony hawk and Chivalry 2 I think) and I'm a pretty happy customer.

If steam doesn't carry the game or has shitty pricing vs epic I'll buy there again.
They probabbly didn't want to be people's second choice but It can't be that expensive to run (sans exclusive deals) so I can't imagine it's a total failure.
 

kafiend

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Oct 25, 2017
1,249
Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
Empty of thought post of the day. These things have nothing to do with each other and if they earn money via my purchases elsewhere I don't care. I just don't want to be a direct customer on their store.
This isn't really an issue for me as I honestly don't spare them much of a thought beyond skim-reading a thread about them and laughing at the bad takes people still have.

I don't purchase from the store because mostly becuause I do not like the exclusivity thing they do. Cut that shit out and i'd probably buy stuff, the same as I do on just about all the other stores. Even the ones owned by companies you might give the side-eye about their own particular issues.

I don't even have an issue with their own self funded or in-house games being exclusive to their store (if they do that), its the third party shit that keeps me away.
 

COCONUT

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Nov 6, 2017
164
Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
As a developer you are searching the things that speed up your development process. A game is a very difficult thing to do, even more if you want to create your own engine. Unreal Engine as all the capabilities to make your work way easier than any other multi plat engine, the one that is close to it is Unity (but not as easy as unreal).



And of course you could have one company that excels in a business department and fuck it so hard in the other. Unreal makes easier to develop a game, and Epic offers a superb help in the development if you contact them (they even send engineer help), same company doesn't care about the player at all.



I don't even think that this is something that needs to be explained.
 

aronmayo

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Jul 29, 2020
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Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.
 

AnimasPaine

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Jun 15, 2022
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Stores fine to me. Would prefer to buy on Steam simply to keep library together, but there's nothing stopping me from buying on EGS. Store exclusivity doesn't bother.
 

cowbanana

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Feb 2, 2018
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Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.

Never double down on dumb.
 

Deleted member 93841

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Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.

Next time before you smugly drop a poorly thought through hot take, maybe read the actual thread first. This has been discussed within this very thread.

This kind of driveby smug-posting in EGS threads got old ages ago.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.

I think you're conflating hating on Epic and hating on EGS. There's definitely some crossover there, although by 'Epic' I think a lot of people mean Tim Sweeney as he's the face of the company and he says a bunch of stuff which makes him easy to dislike.
 

ramoisdead

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Oct 25, 2017
19,525
Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.

No one takes the "just asking questions" guy seriously.

Try searching this topic on this message board instead.
 

morningbus

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Oct 31, 2017
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Hey guys first time posting about this topic ever and have never read anything about it anywhere before but it seems like people are mad at having to use another launcher and hate developers getting more money.
 

COCONUT

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Nov 6, 2017
164
Hey guys first time posting about this topic ever and have never read anything about it anywhere before but it seems like people are mad at having to use another launcher and hate developers getting more money.
Maybe you just get info and read the whole story instead of coming on just said what you just said.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Stores fine to me. Would prefer to buy on Steam simply to keep library together, but there's nothing stopping me from buying on EGS. Store exclusivity doesn't bother.

This is where I eventually landed.

It's just another app to run when I want to play games I buy there. And I buy games there if and when they're not available elsewhere.

It never felt all that complicated an issue to me.
 

Atom

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Jul 25, 2021
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Controversial post that last one 😬😅 Didn't think it would be quite that triggering. People are so passionate about this topic, I've learned.

Is there some summary of why people hate Epic with such a strong passion, to the point of calling them evil and "bad for the industry"? Is it the "we send data to China" thing? Is it really just the lack of features? Lack of features in a product that you don't use seems like a super weird thing to get passionately angry about. Is it that they pay developers a larger cut of revenue? Is that bad? Is it the money hatting of exclusives?

Googling this topic does not enlighten me…it's just people complaining about random features not being in the app, as if Epic is obligated to have certain features.

There's two big issues: lack of features and paid exclusives. The combination of the two sucks.

The best analogy I can think of is what if Epic started making a console and so to attract people they started paying money for timed exclusivity, often for games that people had been told were coming to other platforms.

But Epic doesn't really care that much about making a good console experience in this hypothetical. Take all the features you like from your favorite console and remove them, and that's basically what it's like playing an EGS game. It is usually functional, and that's basically the most that can be said of it. The problem is that Steam basically *is* PC gaming, so its feature set is synonymous. Exhaustive controller reminding? Extensive review systems? Family sharing? Game streaming? Seamless Proton integration and Steam OS? One-click language setting changes? One click mod support? Community hubs for discussion and guides? A metric fuckton of metadata? Betas/branches? Steamdb? There's a crazy number of features and this is only scratching the surface. The console equivalent would be like if all the games you were excited for were exclusive to the 3ds. Sometimes everything around the literal game can drag down the experience significantly. Because it's such a worse overall experience it makes people sour on even Epic published games because they'll be tied to an inferior launcher.

So maybe you say "well those sound like extraneous features, you don't see those on console". Well yeah, that's often why people are playing on PC and not console. The chance that people use any one of Steam's numerous features is pretty damn high.

The whole other part of this is that Epic just feels extremely hypocritical and actively detrimental to the overall PC ecosystem. They complain about Steam's 30% cut while ignoring that it's actually far less than that once you factor in all the cd keys sold that allow savings to be passed on to the consumer (you can usually get a PC game before launch outside of steam for up to $20 off list price). Epic said that their larger cut for devs would mean more savings for players but that never really happened. They show no actual interest in making PC a good place to play, meanwhile Valve launches a handheld, overhauls Proton and Steam OS and fronts a mass testing effort to allow you to play thousands of games in a console-like plug-and-play experience. Heck while Elden Ring was a shitshow on regular PC at launch Valve was out there fixing it for Steam Deck.

Like look, EGS is basically middling to a flop as far as the usage statistics go. There's a reason there's so little adoption and conversion to active paying customers outside of fortnite even as Epic was throwing absurd numbers of free games to try and sway people. Kingdom Hearts is technically on PC, but it may as well not exist in the zeitgeist. That's how bad it is. When taken on their own merits as stewards of the platform, Steam basically made PC a viable platform, and Epic for the longest time wanted nothing to do with it, and still puts in the bare minimum amount of effort into creating its PC experience.

People aren't just out to shit on other launchers mind you. Like GOG differentiates itself with a focus on old titles and DRM free software, while offering cross-account integration, and a lot of people like it. If Epic felt like it had an actual goal with the consumer in mind and weren't trying to make things worse for everyone in the process (bar a handful of indie devs in the past) people probably wouldn't be as irate.
 

morningbus

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Oct 31, 2017
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Maybe you just get info and read the whole story instead of coming on just said what you just said.

No. In fact, I have done something called anti-reading where I've unlearned information since my last post

Steam is a monopoly because it has a large market share but Unreal engine isn't because Epic hasn't bought and/or used its power within the industry to destroy Unity yet.
 

Bonfires Down

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Nov 2, 2017
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I genuinely think that Tim Sweeney just winged this shit with no input from serious business or marketing people. It's insane that EGS still doesn't get major releases like MS games, Capcom games or even games like Stray. You simply cannot be a Steam competitor that way. The fact that you can't buy Elden Ring there boggles the mind.
 

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's two big issues: lack of features and paid exclusives. The combination of the two sucks.

The best analogy I can think of is what if Epic started making a console and so to attract people they started paying money for timed exclusivity, often for games that people had been told were coming to other platforms.

But Epic doesn't really care that much about making a good console experience in this hypothetical. Take all the features you like from your favorite console and remove them, and that's basically what it's like playing an EGS game. It is usually functional, and that's basically the most that can be said of it. The problem is that Steam basically *is* PC gaming, so its feature set is synonymous. Exhaustive controller reminding? Extensive review systems? Family sharing? Game streaming? Seamless Proton integration and Steam OS? One-click language setting changes? One click mod support? Community hubs for discussion and guides? A metric fuckton of metadata? Betas/branches? Steamdb? There's a crazy number of features and this is only scratching the surface. The console equivalent would be like if all the games you were excited for were exclusive to the 3ds. Sometimes everything around the literal game can drag down the experience significantly. Because it's such a worse overall experience it makes people sour on even Epic published games because they'll be tied to an inferior launcher.

So maybe you say "well those sound like extraneous features, you don't see those on console". Well yeah, that's often why people are playing on PC and not console. The chance that people use any one of Steam's numerous features is pretty damn high.

The whole other part of this is that Epic just feels extremely hypocritical and actively detrimental to the overall PC ecosystem. They complain about Steam's 30% cut while ignoring that it's actually far less than that once you factor in all the cd keys sold that allow savings to be passed on to the consumer (you can usually get a PC game before launch outside of steam for up to $20 off list price). Epic said that their larger cut for devs would mean more savings for players but that never really happened. They show no actual interest in making PC a good place to play, meanwhile Valve launches a handheld, overhauls Proton and Steam OS and fronts a mass testing effort to allow you to play thousands of games in a console-like plug-and-play experience. Heck while Elden Ring was a shitshow on regular PC at launch Valve was out there fixing it for Steam Deck.

Like look, EGS is basically middling to a flop as far as the usage statistics go. There's a reason there's so little adoption and conversion to active paying customers outside of fortnite even as Epic was throwing absurd numbers of free games to try and sway people. Kingdom Hearts is technically on PC, but it may as well not exist in the zeitgeist. That's how bad it is. When taken on their own merits as stewards of the platform, Steam basically made PC a viable platform, and Epic for the longest time wanted nothing to do with it, and still puts in the bare minimum amount of effort into creating its PC experience.

People aren't just out to shit on other launchers mind you. Like GOG differentiates itself with a focus on old titles and DRM free software, while offering cross-account integration, and a lot of people like it. If Epic felt like it had an actual goal with the consumer in mind and weren't trying to make things worse for everyone in the process (bar a handful of indie devs in the past) people probably wouldn't be as irate.

But the same game still launches on EGS, so whats the big deal?
 

ramoisdead

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Oct 25, 2017
19,525
What are you talking about? Is this sarcasm?

I mean isn't that how it works around here? Someone like yourself uses actual information and sources to differentiate what makes a platform viable and someone counteracts with the checkmate "ya can still boot up the game in the same machine". No comeback after that one.

And sometimes you are so right with that one quip, you immediately sense the world is bullying you and you retreat to deep dark recesses of the internet and complain how you were bullied and was right.
 

HellofaMouse

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Oct 27, 2017
6,160
well, i will buy a game on epic if it doesnt come to steam after a full year (anno 1800 is the only game i can think of that i bought on egs)

so they achieved that i guess?
 

iHeartGameDev

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Feb 22, 2019
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Hades got me to use it way back when it first came out, and the free games got me to open and add them to my library. But now I just have a second of a lot of games on my computer that I don't play
 

tuxfool

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Oct 25, 2017
5,858
I mean from 0 to so far is good progress for them - it shall be noted, that they did thousands of dollars giveaway - shit I think they even giveaway GTA V for one entire day. All that, combined with exclusive games, they have done their best - regardless of results.
Not even close to best, given the resources available to that company.
 

tuxfool

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Oct 25, 2017
5,858
Would be interested to see how many people that boycott the Epic Games Store would be willing to boycott Unreal Engine games. Pretty funny that someone won't buy a game from their store but will buy a metric fuckton of games that earn them royalties due to the engine (5% or more on every game).
Weird that people hate the thing that is bad, and not the thing that is good.
 
Jul 7, 2021
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The numbers are already in. No need to guess. They've done very poorly. Sure there are a ton of people who got the freebies but almost no one actually went nack to actually purchase games.

They've also already said that their cut is unsustainable. Only propped up by their fortnite money. And we're talking about a store with none of the features of something like steam.
 
Jul 12, 2022
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Dunno, often new things are not super successful for a while but become successful later.

I got Steam and GOG and have not been tempted to even look at EGS. I like my games consolidated in one place.
 

COCONUT

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Nov 6, 2017
164
No. In fact, I have done something called anti-reading where I've unlearned information since my last post

Steam is a monopoly because it has a large market share but Unreal engine isn't because Epic hasn't bought and/or used its power within the industry to destroy Unity yet.

So Valve is a monopoly because potato ? Origin, UPlay, Battle.Net, Xbox and GOG doesn't exists and it's a monopoly because the client chose to buy there because the features Valve worked on and the others don't ? Ok. And Unreal is not a monopoly because they didn't use their power to destroy the competition… like Valve did you mean ?

Valve didn't pay for any exclusive, did not try to "destroy" Epic but they are monopoly.

As I said, learn about the topic, investigate and the you could probably give a proper opinion about the topic. I mean without doing your research you can give the opinion of course but … you know, it fails in way many aspects.

PD// humor & sarcasm detector broken sorry xD
 
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Blu

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Oct 25, 2017
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So Valve is a monopoly because potato ? Origin, UPlay, Battle.Net, Xbox and GOG doesn't exists and it's a monopoly because the client chose to buy there because the features Valve worked on and the others don't ? Ok. And Unreal is not a monopoly because they didn't use their power to destroy the competition… like Valve did you mean ?

Valve didn't pay for any exclusive, did not try to "destroy" Epic but they are monopoly.

As I said, learn about the topic, investigate and the you could probably give a proper opinion about the topic. I mean without doing your research you can give the opinion of course but … you know, it fails in way many aspects.
If you can't detect it, he's being humorous.
 

Fadewise

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Nov 5, 2017
3,210
What else miracles did you expect, in my opinion, they have done as much as they could do.
They could have used some tact and grace and not alienated a significant portion of the PC enthusiast market for one. If they had led with good deals and consumer facing features instead of bought exclusivity and a prioritization of publishers over end users the outcome may very well have been much different.
 
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rickyson33

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Nov 23, 2017
3,053
well they annoyed a bunch of people

Tim Sweeney seems like someone that would probably be pretty happy about that if his twitter posts are anything to go by
 

SteveWinwood

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Oct 25, 2017
18,676
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What else miracles did you expect, in my opinion, they have done as much as they could do.
if you think they've done as much as they could do then youre as creatively bankrupt as them

for years people have spitballed ideas on how they could have features that steam doesn't that would make it more competitive

even just a ten percent back as bonus towards your next purchase could have done something

but no, lets just buy games up and put them on this ramshackle client built from gum and paperclips. weve done nothing and we're all out of ideas!