I don't necessarily even mind Andrade losing to Darby here, I just want him in more interesting feuds. The Family Office stuff just feels like jobber central, like something that would have been on Sunday Night Heat 20 years ago.
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I know what you mean. I think the problem is the feud was paused and then brought back. I thought we already had the blowoff match.
The craziest thing to me is that this whole HFO thing started over a year ago and it still couldn't be more inconsequential. I get that its main purpose is to give some TV time to people, but everyone that has been a part of it feels completely irrelevant and worse off.
At least the gimmick fits Andrade a bit better but it still sucks.
Wouldn't say completely clean, Darby had him in a submission then AFO or whatever they're called came running down and Darby let go of the hold to dive on them then went back in the ring and lost
Yeah I don't care either. This endless feud makes it seem like they have no idea what else to do with the female roster.
I'm still very much dialed into the Shida/Deeb feud, but they've done a poor job of keeping the story on people's minds with multi-week breaks between segments. They should do a video package of their previous four matches to remind people of how we got here because I've heard and read enough to know that much of the audience doesn't know which match number this is for them, or remember what happened to get them here. I'm invested, but they need to do a better job of reminding people.
Andrade is one of the best wrestlers on the roster and they've been 50-50 him WWE style in his 3 big feuds he's had since he came to AEW. He's 1-1 in singles matches against PAC, Cody and now Darby.
Darby literally closed the casket on his feud with Andrade last night. He did the same with Ethan in their casket match. I think y'all wanting Andrade to wrestle with someone else will be getting your wish. I'm fine with that too.
So I think we should all be mentally prepared for lots of 3 on 3 matches and faction stuff at the super show.
The easiest way to book stuff like this is to put big stars into tag matches and have someone else eat the pin.
Like get ready for BPCC to fight CHAOS instead of the 1 v 1 matches of your dreams.
Thats basically how they booked the NOAHxNJPW super show.
That said I 100% believe that Great O Kahn and Jeff Cobb are dropping the IWGP tag belts to FTR.
The easiest way to book stuff like this is to put big stars into tag matches and have someone else eat the pin.
Like get ready for BPCC to fight CHAOS instead of the 1 v 1 matches of your dreams.
Thats basically how they booked the NOAHxNJPW super show.
That said I 100% believe that Great O Kahn and Jeff Cobb are dropping the IWGP tag belts to FTR.
I liked their feud and won't complain about getting more of it but it felt like that feud got the proper blow off and both women should be moving onto something else. Problem is it's AEW so women moving on from a feud just means disappearing from TV for months so keeping this feud going at least seems to keep them on TV. Which is mind boggling as they're probably the two best women wrestlers on the roster.
Also, unrelated but an adjacent topic, I think the reason fans get so tired of AEW womens champions is because women get so little TV time that if you're only watching AEW TV week to week the only women you're seeing on a consistent basis are the champions. So some people get sick of seeing them.
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I love this theme. Listened to it a bunch already. Definitely got some Misawa/Kobashi vibes from it.
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I think the story originally was going to end back in February after the TBS Title Tournament, but had to be extended when Shida went to Japan. This was before Japan lifted their restrictions, so Shida was gone for about a month. She came back right before Revolution, so it just seemed like bad timing. I do love the fact that it started in Philly and will end there too (Maybe I'm a bit biased on this regard lol).
Well I'm only speaking for myself here but I definitely watched that match and I just don't remember anything about it, they've faced each other in so many incredibly similar matches that it's just blurring into one now.
EDIT: Someone mentioned the finish and yeah I do recall it now, it still doesn't stand out to me.
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I was curious so I looked their matches up. They've wrestled four times. 2 singles matches. The coffin match is their second singles match. The tornado tag match at Revolution 2022 and the triple threat match vs Sammy on an episode of Rampage. I can see how their first 1 on 1 match would get overlooked.
I wonder if this Shida/Deeb booking was meant to be Leyla/Stat, but Leyla's injury forced them to continue this feud to fill in the grudge match slot.
It having to be Shida/Deeb yet again could possibly be a result of the utterly piss poor building of the rest of the division, leading to no other women having the same level of feud that could possibly have the same effect that could fill that spot.
Again this is just coming from me and my poor memory but if TK wants to do some feuds where the participants fight each other countless times over 1-3 months then I think it might be a good idea to introduce the "Best of X Series" concept, a quick video recap of all the encounters and finishes, feud records "Darby has 2 wins, Andrade has 3 wins".
Or just come up with ways to make each match stand out better, doesn't have to be a gimmick match but it could be that one match has no interference, one match focuses on submissions, another could have Darby injured
I know someone above said that it is likely over because Darby won Darby's special match, I get that and hope it's the case but I could easily see Andrade complain next week that Sting interfered to get one more shot at Darby.
I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Andrade/Darby stuff continue until Double or Nothing.
Darby needs something fresh badly. Like throw him in a thing with Eddie Kingston or something.
I didn't but as other mentioned, it isn't a "big" win when Darby, Sting, friends and the AFO has been battling around for a long time already and it's becoming the same thing every time.
That previous match was very good until the interference and shenanigans ending. Which is fine on itself, but we've seen it too much. I just want Darby vs Andrade making each other look amazing and end the thing without the AFO and Sting or friends.
Agreed on the other stuff though. But I guess they didn't want to remind us too much that Cole has been a geek that only wins by cheating and then care about him making the announcement of the NJPW stuff.
Proposed end to AFO vs. Darby and his dad:
Cage match between Darby and Andrade at TBD event to keep the AFO and Hardy's/Sting out of it. Throw in a number one contender for the TNT title stip if necessary given that's what most of this started with. They've shown they can put on a great singles match and Darby getting chucked around like a rag doll into the cage by Andrade should be good fun to watch.
OOOORRRR. Big cluster fuck match with the Hardy's Sting, and Darby vs Private Party, Andrade, and Blade (War games, Blood and Guts, Stadium Stampede, don't really care, just an excuse for shit to fly. Nice callback to Matt vs Darby for the TNT title too I'd suppose). Throw in a good stip like a TNT title shot (or something more unique to the feud, honestly don't care here either) to add stakes beyond just getting these guys away from each other.
Either way AFO/Andrade should win. Darby losing in a cluster fuck match doesn't hurt him IMO and Andrade needs to go on a tear ASAP.
Cage match between Darby and Andrade at TBD event to keep the AFO and Hardy's/Sting out of it. Throw in a number one contender for the TNT title stip if necessary given that's what most of this started with. They've shown they can put on a great singles match and Darby getting chucked around like a rag doll into the cage by Andrade should be good fun to watch.
OOOORRRR. Big cluster fuck match with the Hardy's Sting, and Darby vs Private Party, Andrade, and Blade (War games, Blood and Guts, Stadium Stampede, don't really care, just an excuse for shit to fly. Nice callback to Matt vs Darby for the TNT title too I'd suppose). Throw in a good stip like a TNT title shot (or something more unique to the feud, honestly don't care here either) to add stakes beyond just getting these guys away from each other.
Either way AFO/Andrade should win. Darby losing in a cluster fuck match doesn't hurt him IMO and Andrade needs to go on a tear ASAP.
Also why was Dante the one to take the pin in a match that featured Brock Anderson?
I wonder who wasn't supposed to be in this match, was it supposed to be Top Flight + Moriarty or Brock & Johnson + Moriarty?
You'd think if it was the latter that they'd find someone lesser than Dante for the team. One of the Martins taking the fall when teamed with Moriarty makes sense given Moriarty's link to the BCC.
I wonder who wasn't supposed to be in this match, was it supposed to be Top Flight + Moriarty or Brock & Johnson + Moriarty?
You'd think if it was the latter that they'd find someone lesser than Dante for the team. One of the Martins taking the fall when teamed with Moriarty makes sense given Moriarty's link to the BCC.
Gonna throw out some concerns I'm having:
1. Britt is going to win the Owen Hart Cup for the women's side. It should go to an up and coming star in the making, and I do think that happens on the men's side of things (O'Reilly winning last night for example), but I think this is how Britt stays in the limelight for the women's division.
2. TK is a huge mark for NJPW and RoH, and I get it. But, AEW is its own thing, and it needs to be its own thing. 2019-2020 was fantastic because you had all of these stars in the making, with a healthy mix of some vets already established. I want to get back to that. The Forbidden Door was cool for a while, but I'm ready to get back to long term PPV builds.
3. Speaking of making stars, Andandre is one of them, and I really am starting to worry about his future status. This feud w/ Darby needs to end, the Family Office has run its course. Within that, you have Butcher/Blade (probably my most underrated team on the roster), Private Party, they need to be on their own. This Family Office stuff just isn't working. Please let it end so Andandre can ascend. He needs to have the TNT Title and get a run w/ it like Miro had.
1. Britt is going to win the Owen Hart Cup for the women's side. It should go to an up and coming star in the making, and I do think that happens on the men's side of things (O'Reilly winning last night for example), but I think this is how Britt stays in the limelight for the women's division.
2. TK is a huge mark for NJPW and RoH, and I get it. But, AEW is its own thing, and it needs to be its own thing. 2019-2020 was fantastic because you had all of these stars in the making, with a healthy mix of some vets already established. I want to get back to that. The Forbidden Door was cool for a while, but I'm ready to get back to long term PPV builds.
3. Speaking of making stars, Andandre is one of them, and I really am starting to worry about his future status. This feud w/ Darby needs to end, the Family Office has run its course. Within that, you have Butcher/Blade (probably my most underrated team on the roster), Private Party, they need to be on their own. This Family Office stuff just isn't working. Please let it end so Andandre can ascend. He needs to have the TNT Title and get a run w/ it like Miro had.
Trying to think of realistic dream matches for the supershow, assuming it's gonna be a near full show of singles matches (lol), both sides can look strong, no major champions lose and all matches are cross promotion.
I'm also assuming guys like Kenny and Ibushi won't be good enough to go.
Punk vs Tanahashi
Cole vs Okada
Danielson vs ZSJ
OC vs Yano
BCC vs United Empire tag match (Ospreay + ?)
Joe vs Ishii
Miro vs Shingo
Fuck it run Sting vs Minoru Suzuki
I'm also assuming guys like Kenny and Ibushi won't be good enough to go.
Punk vs Tanahashi
Cole vs Okada
Danielson vs ZSJ
OC vs Yano
BCC vs United Empire tag match (Ospreay + ?)
Joe vs Ishii
Miro vs Shingo
Fuck it run Sting vs Minoru Suzuki
Do you want Sting's chest and jaw bones to turn to dust?
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I'm with you. I loved that match, and KOR's workrate is really great.
I'll give it another shot later, I was definitely expecting a different type of match for those two and that will have played with my enjoyment of the match.
The crowd was dead for Jack and Kyle. I think the AEW crowds don't like Kyle and Bobby Fish.
I'm not sure how realistic my list is but here's the matches I want to see at some point:
Danielson vs ZSJ - This post is already 5 stars
Mox vs Tanahashi - This match has been in the wings for too long now.
Ishii vs Miro - MEAT
OC (or Danhausen) vs Toru Yano I just want some dumb fun in between the high workrate stuff
Punk vs KENTA - Custody of GTS on a pole match.
No clue what I'd do with Bullet Club/Undisputed Elite without Kenny or Ibushi as I'm not up to date on any NJPW stories.
Plenty of people I don't have a good match for off the top of my head (Naito, Joe, Osprey, Lethal, Andrade, Okada) CHAOS vs BCC could be wild but I want those first two matches more. Also get Shooter in the BCC.
I think this match is supposed to happen at Capital Collision but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets pushed to this show.
The crowd isn't into the slower style of wrestling when it doesn't feature someone like Punk or a legend like Dustin Rhodes. It was a fine match, but not one that's going to pop a crowd. The AEW style is typically to start out slow and build up the intensity. KOR/Jungle Boy didn't really have that, and I think that more due to KORs specializing in the grappling MMA style.
Miro vs Ibushi would make so much sense
A man who became God and has a neck of granite.
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A man abandoned by God and has a neck made of sand.
I encourage anyone to turn up their speakers/headphones for this theme, it is a banger. It feels like it could belong in the opening level of a side scrolling beat em up (think Streets of Rage/Final Fight).
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Looking forward to where they will take HOOK and Danhausen, this has real potential to have a great payoff.
Wardlow feud with MJF is the other compelling feud for me, I forsee them dragging this out a little further and probably Wardlow taking a beating/loss in the journey to make it all sink it. Then finally comeuppance for Spears first, then the final boss MJF.
Sammy was visibly shaken and bummed by the boos, but sometimes you gotta take one for the team and turn heel to salvage the situation.
I genuinely think Punk doesn't want to take KENTA's strikes.
Punk seems to banter with/about guys he'd be happy to face, never seen that with KENTA.
oh I agree. It's why I prefaced my post with "I'm not sure how realistic my list is..."
KENTA seems legit salty Punk took "his" move and became mega popular. I just want to see what happens. If we learned anything from Punk's brief UFC stint is that he can take a punch. For me it's a "dream match" in that KENTA can hopefully exercise that demon and stop whining about GTS vs GTS.
Yeah but to Tay's credit she heeled it up real good.
I know I shouldn't encourage it with clicks, but my new favorite thing on Twitter is reading the tweets (in relation to the likes of Mox and FTR being happy & succeeding in AEW) that are like "yeah but AEW couldn't pull [insert rating here]". I very much enjoy that the only remaining tactic for online discourse with anti-fans is to shoehorn specific ratings into a discussion about how happy individual people are with their jobs. I have a hard time believing CM Punk has ever dwelled on a TV rating for his matches.