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asmith906 · Mar 30, 2022

P A Z said:
1. I admire the sticking to a budget thing TK claims he's doing but MJF is that important that if he needed to he should swallow his pride, go cap in hand to his dad and tell him he needs money for this guy.

I don't buy for a second that Tony Khan doesn't have the budget to pay MJF more. I also don't think it's a good idea to renegotiate talent pay if you aren't securing them for more time on their contracts. It's not a good idea to let talent run over you when you are in charge that's something Dixie found out the hard way in TNA.

P A Z · Mar 30, 2022

For whoever above was asking why Caster and not Bowens vs Punk tonight:

TK on Busted Open today said that Bowens has a knee injury from the match with Jurassic Express, they thought it was just gonna be a two week thing but it's taking longer to heal.

WowCoolRobot · Mar 30, 2022

D'awww

asmith906 · Mar 30, 2022

thepenguin55 said:
Tessa also seems incredibly unlikely as I think if they were ever going to sign her they would've done it by now but I guess them working with her could be more likely now than it ever was previously? I say that because April Brooks (AKA, AJ Lee or CM Punk's wife) I want to say started a all women's wrestling company and Tessa was one of the first people signed. I have not heard a word about Tessa or that company since it started so I have no idea where any of that stands but I guess the Punk connection could make AEW doing some one off matches with Tessa possible. That said, her rep (particularly as a toxic locker room entity) makes it seem doubtful that AEW would ever do more than some one offs with her. We saw how quick AEW was to give Ivelisse the boot the moment her toxicness started to shine through.

Consider the shitstorm that happened when they planned to bring in Kendrick no way are they touching Tessa with a 10ft pole. She's basically burned bridges with every single company that has invested in her.

data west · Mar 30, 2022

asmith906 said:
Consider the shitstorm that happened when they planned to bring in Kendrick no way are they touching Tessa with a 10ft pole. She's basically burned bridges with every single company that has invested in her.

You say that like Jay Lethal ain't featured nearly every week between all the shows

Tabaxi · Mar 30, 2022

P A Z said:
For whoever above was asking why Caster and not Bowens vs Punk tonight:

TK on Busted Open today said that Bowens has a knee injury from the match with Jurassic Express, they thought it was just gonna be a two week thing but it's taking longer to heal.

Damn, hope he recovers quickly.

RBH · Mar 30, 2022

El-Suave · Mar 30, 2022

asmith906 said:
Consider the shitstorm that happened when they planned to bring in Kendrick no way are they touching Tessa with a 10ft pole. She's basically burned bridges with every single company that has invested in her.

Yeah, I was a big fan of giving Tessa another shot a year or two ago, but that ship has sailed. I'm not even remotely entertaining that thought anymore.
In my opinion the division is bordering at being too big already for what time they're given. Dark and Elevation are crutches for that dilemma that I don't really count anymore.

Mengetsu · Mar 30, 2022

How many stars can Bryan get out this kid Anth0ny ?

Anth0ny · Mar 30, 2022

Mengetsu said:
How many stars can Bryan get out this kid Anth0ny ?

It will depend on how much torque is applied to the joints.

Carnby · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
Yeah, the ghosting talent stuff, that infamous tweet and the weird fixation with having one women's match per show (with the odd occurrence of two) says a lot that the guy could go full Vince at any point.

Naw. We just had an amazing PPV, we are a million miles from full Vince.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Carnby said:
Naw. We just had an amazing PPV, we are a million miles from full Vince.

Oh I mean with corporate handling rather than shows quality. Tony has done some pretty stupid stuff among some great stuff.

Carnby · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
Oh I mean with corporate handling rather than shows quality. Tony has done some pretty stupid stuff among some great stuff.

But that might be the one thing Vince does right. Didn't he make a billion dollars last quarter? Lol

RyougaSaotome · Mar 30, 2022

I feel like maybe we're underestimating how much of a monster Vince is as a human being.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Carnby said:
But that might be the one thing Vince does right. Didn't he make a billion dollars last quarter? Lol

Let's call it "corporate human relations and value of the talent as human beings rather than just for your product" handling then? Though it seems that in WWE that's an issue with all the middle men rather than Vince himself.

Carnby · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
Let's call it "corporate human relations and value of the talent as human beings rather than just for your product" handling then? Though it seems that in WWE that's an issue with all the middle men rather than Vince himself.

The mass firings, right.

I get what you're saying, I just think any comparison to Vince is way off. TK didn't even lay anyone off during the pandemic.

oddjobs · Mar 30, 2022

Only one promoter issued a written edict about non-onscreen character Petey Williams to be called either Pete or Peter (instead of Petey, a name which said promoter despises) in the past couple of weeks, I'll let you guess which one.

RBH · Mar 30, 2022

RBH · Mar 30, 2022

Sorry, but Vince McMahon and Tony Khan are not even in the same stratosphere. Even suggesting the possibility of Tony going "full Vince" is fucking ridiculous and shows a blatant blind eye to the laundry list of terrible things that Vince has either done or been associated with.

Mengetsu · Mar 30, 2022

LOL

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Carnby said:
The mass firings, right.

I get what you're saying, I just think any comparison to Vince is way off. TK didn't even lay anyone off during the pandemic.

Well yeah I guess I'm going too far. It's gonna take a lot to get to Vince's level of shittyness, but there are worrysome signs that sometimes Tony's kinda of an ass when he wants to be. I hope he never gets that low and his talent relation team has better control on how they handle these situations

Chindogg · Mar 30, 2022

I don't recall Tony Khan covering up any rapes of his talent or murders by his talent.

Fhtagn · Mar 30, 2022

Chindogg said:
I don't recall Tony Khan covering up any rapes of his talent or murders by his talent.

Nor killing any of his talent.

oddjobs · Mar 30, 2022

Nor having a segment making fun of an announcer who had just had major intestinal surgery

Unlocked Andrew · Mar 30, 2022

Yeah man, a really stupid tweet is the same as covering rape AND murder (!) and being responsible for killing one of your employees. He could go Full Vince in any minute!

Tabaxi · Mar 30, 2022

Mengetsu said:
LOL

I hope they made a tiny fort out of all those titles.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Guys I was talking about handling talent let go, I didn't insult Jesus Christ lmao

Chindogg · Mar 30, 2022

What's important is KOR gets to play belt guitar.

Serpens007 said:
Guys I was talking about handling talent let go, I didn't insult Jesus Christ lmao

There's a bit of a false equivalence of a promoter letting deals expire and comparing them to a promoter actively cutting massive swaths of the roster for no reason other than profit, regardless of the "extracurricular activities" mentioned.

Stooge · Mar 30, 2022

What's going on in here?

TK is fine. He's not perfect. AEW just delivered an amazing ppv a month ago.

Everytime there is a slightly slightly down episode this place turns hyper negative

Nelo Ice · Mar 30, 2022

Just checked myself so likely spoiler on whose debuting tonight.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Chindogg said:
There's a bit of a false equivalence of a promoter letting deals expire and comparing them to a promoter actively cutting massive swaths of the roster for no reason other than profit, regardless of the "extracurricular activities" mentioned.

Yeah, as I said, I guess there's a lot of differences, but there's also false equivalence in clearly talking about talent relations and going into the other stuff. That's very disengineous and kinda weird getting that defensive about a billionare being called for mishandling relations.

Stooge said:
What's going on in here?

TK is fine. He's not perfect. AEW just delivered an amazing ppv a month ago.

Everytime there is a slightly slightly down episode this place turns hyper negative

Nah it had nothing to do with the quality of the product.

Chindogg · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
Yeah, as I said, I guess there's a lot of differences, but there's also false equivalence in clearly talking about talent relations and going into the other stuff. That's very disengineous and kinda weird getting that defensive about a billionare being called for mishandling relations.

It's not a matter of being defensive. Comparing a guy to a literal monster because he has failures in talent relations just seems a bit much, that's all.

Baphomet · Mar 30, 2022

Seriously, when is Jay White coming back?

Bigkrev · Mar 30, 2022

There is a massive difference between "We are not renewing your contract once it expires" and "we are firing you"

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Chindogg said:
It's not a matter of being defensive. Comparing a guy to a literal monster because he has failures in talent relations just seems a bit much, that's all.

It absolutely is defensive lol When the topic at hand was talent relations, and you compare talent relations to one of the few other guys you can compare to, it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I get there's still a lot of differences, but c'mon. Tony more than deserves criticism for the streak of stupid decisions in that regard.

Chindogg · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
It absolutely is defensive lol When the topic at hand was talent relations, and you compare talent relations to one of the few other guys you can compare to, it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I get there's still a lot of differences, but c'mon. Tony more than deserves criticism for the streak of stupid decisions in that regard.

I don't think anyone's arguing that lol. All I'm saying is jumping from "this guy has some flaws in his business" to "this guy's Vince" is a bit much.

Carnby · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
That's very disengineous and kinda weird getting that defensive about a billionare being called for mishandling relations.

I don't think there is anything weird about it. We should be able to talk about it. Okay so maybe they were not as nice as me, but really who is? I can't fault them for that.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Carnby said:
I don't think there is anything weird about it. We should be able to talk about it. Okay so maybe they were not as nice as me, but really who is? I can't fault them for that.

I guess I insulted a very loved billionare and I deserve to be punished. I will prohibit myself from watching Danielson vs Yuta today.

Stooge · Mar 30, 2022

Also for what it's worth and obviously they can handle stuff better the only person who has ever been let go early was due to speaking out allegations.

Everyone else has been paid 100% of the money their contract said they would get. Maybe they wanted to do more or weren't happy with their own screen time or character work or whatever but AEW has not financially screwed anyone over.

Like we can point out problems with AEW but we should start at a baseline that people are paid which is a far cry from a lot of promotions indie, semi major and the E

Stooge · Mar 30, 2022

asmith906 said:
I don't buy for a second that Tony Khan doesn't have the budget to pay MJF more. I also don't think it's a good idea to renegotiate talent pay if you aren't securing them for more time on their contracts. It's not a good idea to let talent run over you when you are in charge that's something Dixie found out the hard way in TNA.

We've heard rumors that point to some of the recent deals pushing AEW to the point where there is limited funds to go around.

TK doesn't seem to be a money mark willing to lose money on AEW.

Im assuming once his 3rd tv deal is set and he is paid closer to what his ratings are well see that shift.

Curt Baboon · Mar 30, 2022

Mengetsu said:
LOL

This is all an elaborate excuse to get Kyle O' Reilly to do the air guitar thing and it's great.

Chindogg · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
I guess I insulted a very loved billionare and I deserve to be punished. I will prohibit myself from watching Danielson vs Yuta today.

Dude you had a terrible take saying that he's going to go full Vince at any time because he still needs work in areas. You got called out on it. Rather than try to make it a "defending a billionaire" argument and dismiss your bad take, just take the L and do better next time.

Sheesh.

Carnby · Mar 30, 2022

Stooge said:
Also for what it's worth and obviously they can handle stuff better the only person who has ever been let go early was due to speaking out allegations.

Everyone else has been paid 100% of the money their contract said they would get. Maybe they wanted to do more or weren't happy with their own screen time or character work or whatever but AEW has not financially screwed anyone over.

Like we can point out problems with AEW but we should start at a baseline that people are paid which is a far cry from a lot of promotions indie, semi major and the E

And the people who are ghosted still get paid and can still book themselves at independent shows and such. Not a bad deal honestly.

RBH · Mar 30, 2022

Chindogg said:
Dude you had a terrible take saying that he's going to go full Vince at any time because he still needs work in areas. You got called out on it. Rather than try to make it a "defending a billionaire" argument and dismiss your bad take, just take the L and do better next time.

Sheesh.

Yup

Stooge · Mar 30, 2022

Carnby said:
And the people who are ghosted still get paid and can still book themselves at independent shows and such. Not a bad deal honestly.

Yep. Like TK shouldn't have done the swole tweet. It was shitty and dumb. But Swole got her money. There were a lot of people who took big money deals to keep them out of AEW who were cut right after doing so.

On the grand scale of things Swole was treated better than loads of WWE talent shitty tweet and all

OfficerRob · Mar 30, 2022

In wrestling, you don't compare something negative a promoter does with Vince. It's like how you dont compare other bad things to the Nazi's, it just makes you look foolish

Fhtagn · Mar 30, 2022

Serpens007 said:
I guess I insulted a very loved billionare and I deserve to be punished. I will prohibit myself from watching Danielson vs Yuta today.

c'mon, I think TK sucks in a lot of ways, but comparing almost anyone to Vince is gonna catch this kind of response, Vince has done an unbelievable amount of awful shit and it wasn't clear at all that you meant only in terms of letting talent go. You said he could go "full Vince" and "full Vince" involves killing your own talent.

Serpens007 · Mar 30, 2022

Chindogg said:
Dude you had a terrible take saying that he's going to go full Vince at any time because he still needs work in areas. You got called out on it. Rather than try to make it a "defending a billionaire" argument and dismiss your bad take, just take the L and do better next time.

Sheesh.

Behold!