Aren't you the alt of that Muad'dib guy? IRGC and Khemenei have killed thousands of Iranian civilians and taken a whole nation hostage, damn right I'll celebrate any dead IRGC or their allies.
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Airstrikes in Syria kill 22 in Joe Biden's first military act as president
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Yeah and fuck those who did that.
But I won't equate the PMU's with the systematic genocide and wholesale slaughter of Shia and Yezidis by ISIS and their allied tribes, made famous with the Speicher massacre.
More than a 100,000 Iraqis volunteered to the PMU to save their country from ISIS, some, many committed atrocities of their own in revenge, which I condemn. But don't think for a second I will forget that they liberate Mosul, Tikrit, Fallujah from ISIS, and suddenly start cheering the US to bomb my own countrymen.
If you mean politically, Sunnis are split at the moment, see they are minority in Iraq, tho not by a large margin, they held power under Saddam over the majority Shia, enjoyed status and oppressed us. Tables turned, they got pissed, which lead to Al Qaeda in Iraq then ISIS.
Conversely losing Iraq to us Shias pissed a lot of their base in the Arab world, which is one of the reason why they galvanized in Syria, where they are a majority ruled by an Alawite (Shia subsect) minority.
But Sunni leadership in the Arab world, especially since the camp David accord and the death of Arab pan nationalism, have always failed to produce effective secular leaderships and the most popular and promising movements they could come up with were always hardliners and fundamentalists.
Morsi and the MB winning the elections in Egypt, Hamas (Iranian backed but still MB) winning the elections in Gaza, Salafists, Nusra front and Al Qaeda dominating the rebel groups in Syria while the secular ones almost faded away immediately.
Then you have the effect of years and years of religious channels that have revived Salafism and Qutbiism, Saudi version of fundamentalist Sunni Islam adopted by AlQaeda and ISIS, deepened the rift.
I don't think they're capable of producing a new Gamal Abdel Nasser anytime soon, they're also suffering an internal struggle with Sunnis loyal to the Saudi/UAE Sunni sphere, and the Turkish/Qatar Sunni sphere, which can see the result on the ground from the infighting in south Yemen and Libya.
It's a shame really, Sunnis under Abdel Nasser were heralding a secular progressive socialist Arab nation and a lot of us Shias also joined in, most of the Arab socialists in Lebanon were Shia, in Iraq a majority of Shias were communist or socialist before Saddam started his 1990's Shia massacres.
But right now what is popular is political Islam be it Sunni or Shia hence the schism.
As for the Kurds, I feel for them, but realistically speaking they won't be able to gain independance anytime soon, not unless Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Russia change their mind. I would prefer they get northern Iraq, even when ISIS invaded Iraq they never fought outside Kurdish borders anyway, even during the battle of Mosul they kept on the northern outskirts.
What's an alt? And you do you, look at what happened to all the Libyans, Syrians and Iraqis that America saved.
The point is to left punch and say 'see Bernie is ok with it/would do this so you have to be ok w/it too' like we are some mindless sheep that need to be corralled.
I said it before many times, & I'll say it again...progressives are the future of the Democratic party & for this country.
And Trump knew that Russia had bounties on U.S. Soldiers. And did nothing.
These. Fucking these.
this article is ancient, too, which is depressing. this is one of the ones they repost whenever it's relevant, like the "only nation where this consistently happens" one
The assumption is that further left leaning people critical of certain elements of the US either ideologically align with Sanders or have the same insane parasocial relationship with him that liberals seem to have with Biden et. al.
When in reality, it doesn't matter if it's Bernie or AOC, if they're doing stupid shit, we're gonna call them out to. Dangling Bernie doing a bad thing is supposed to be a gotcha I think, but the vast majority of further left people will just say "Well fuck Bernie too" at that point. Hell, I'd say Bernie has long fallen out of favor with a lot of left leaning people for how much he's backed off stuff in the past year and in general for never really being too willing to play the "revolutionary" whose iconography he enjoyed but was afraid to own.
People who are against death penalties on US soil, but are trying to rationalize and justify bombings on foreign nations are plain hypocrites.
What's fun about this image is the B-52 has been in service so long you could make this for every president going back to Eisenhower with the same bomber. (Edit: Except Carter I guess. Can't recall Carter dropping bombs on anyone. Though oddly had he dropped bombs on Iran he likely would have won re-election.)
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Why would we need to do that? He's already tHe MoSt PrOgReSsIve PrEsIdEnT eVeR. Said so himself!
I took so much pleasure in blocking the NYT from charging my Paypal account last June.
Absolutely indefensible. Fuck Joe Biden forever and always.
Maybe not directly, but Carter had no problem supporting Indonesia's violent invasion of East Timor and the genocide they committed by supplying weapons to them, so don't be afraid to include him with the rest of the war criminals!
Anyone who tries to justify US imperialism is pure scum. It is plain to see that no one has done more to "destabilize the region" than the United States. We should immediately pull out of the Middle East, and pursue a purely defensive military posture.
Fun fact: This scumbag backed Sarah Palin in 2012:
Should Women Back Palin in 2012?
Obama garnered 56 percent of women’s ballots last fall. And they have precious little to show for it from this administration. Amy Siskind on why Sarah Palin deserves a second look.
www.thedailybeast.com
Shockingly the NYT and American media in general are war profiteers who support and propagandize our foreign involvements. Little different from official authoritarian state media.
Just to clear up a point he made. The group that the US bombed was backed by Iran, it was the group that claimed the erbil bombing that they were not sure was Iran sponsored, which is different issue all together
In what world is that a "proportionate military response", like is 1 US death = 22 Iraqi deaths the death exchange rate now?
It is a common tactic I've seen people do around here all too often.
-Democrats do something dumb or indefensible or at least hard to defend
-The left rightly criticize Democrats for doing said dumb/indefensible/hard to defend thing
-Deflect by pointing out Sanders did something similar in the past or would have done something similar if he were in the position to do so
-Use that as some universal 'gotcha'--because after all Bernie Sanders is the left's God King for some reason--against the left to get them to shut up criticizing Democrats
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It rules that US politics is a stagnant quagmire where it is impossible to effect any change that might make its own citizens' lives better, but ordering the immediate annihilation of 22 people in the Middle East is effortless and immediate. Just hit the big red button and baby, those bombs are flyin'. We simply love to see it.
Unless Biden turned out to be Superman in disguise it was never going to age well
He's no Trump but it's not like he's dove or anything
Carter preferred propping up dictators in Latin America than getting into direct action, I guess.
As a foreigner cheering for him during the elections; Biden has failed to impress me BIG TIME so far.
It's quite actually fucking crazy seeing some Liberals defend Biden's attacks. Like mind blowing.
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Cut a liberal, a fascist bleeds. Of course they'd defend.
I don't really know how to put into words how I feel on this subject every time it comes up.
Human beings sucks. When shit like this happens, we always want to point fingers at the President. But there's just never going to be any winning this fight now that humans possess the power that we do. Even if we actually got a half way decent President in America who shut all this down, it would just open up a new spot for another power hungry asshole to take their spot. Not that the bombing is justified, because it's not. It's just a battle that is so exhausting to fight, as I don't ever see an out come in the world where someone isn't an asshole.
We will all continue bombing and killing each other till we all finally drive ourselves to extinction. Maybe something like that will come before we completely ruin the Earth too, so that everything else can continue to live.
Human beings sucks. When shit like this happens, we always want to point fingers at the President. But there's just never going to be any winning this fight now that humans possess the power that we do. Even if we actually got a half way decent President in America who shut all this down, it would just open up a new spot for another power hungry asshole to take their spot. Not that the bombing is justified, because it's not. It's just a battle that is so exhausting to fight, as I don't ever see an out come in the world where someone isn't an asshole.
We will all continue bombing and killing each other till we all finally drive ourselves to extinction. Maybe something like that will come before we completely ruin the Earth too, so that everything else can continue to live.
You may feel bad about it, but this perspective isn't useful. This issue isn't of the ultimate destiny of human morality or whatever, it's of a government pursuing a policy.
Biden has been nothing but who he claimed to be, and who his supporters wanted him to be.
Cause Trump certainly didn't bomb anyone. Lotta bad actors in this thread acting like any candidate wasn't going to bomb terrorists.
This will have no impact on the next elections
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