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Air Canada has to pay $15,000 to a couple because the word 'lift' was not in French
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Yeah, I'm kinda embarrassed by this guy. BUT. I have no issues with Air Canada having to pay for this. They drop the ball on this matter all the time so fuck em too.
True, but Québec is notoriously more pushy in that regard, the most common example being that they translate every non-French movie title (eg. "Endgame", became "Phase Finale" in Québec while it kept its English name in other French-speaking countries)
Ok, but what's the problem with this? Why is this a bad thing exactly?
Something tells me the current climate in the USA doesn't point to there being no headaches. And of course, let's see how easy it would be to get help from the government if you go talk to them in Spanish instead of English.
Strange considering there are quite a bit of European countries that have strict laws around language and the usage thereof.
I didn't mean it as a bad thing, it's just that indeed, the way people act regarding their language is different in Canada vs in Europe and that it makes sense for a European to find this "mindblowing". In France, people care less about stopping English words from being used. I edited my post to make it sound less negative
Linguistic discrimination is a thing, even for speakers of a country's official languages. So I agree with them. If French has equal standing to English in Canada, that should be reflected everywhere.
While it generally does not have an effect on huge corporation films, movies and games, it can mean we in Quebec miss out on things like video game collector editions and other things because a company does not want to translate the packaging, for instance.
It also means we run into really weird cases of loopholes, since our language police try to get smaller companies and business to change their names or part of their services while big monoliths such as Best Buy can just straight up ignore them, since they create so many jobs in the region that they would just threaten to leave if the language police ever threaten them.
The illusion of protecting the language is more important to the language police than actually protecting the language. Quebec runs into these problems a lot, where they whine that they are suppressed minority within greater Canada while suppressing their own minorities that live in Quebec. See the religious symbol ban and many other examples of xenophobia across the province. The province also has issues like the historical suppression of English to the point of driving them out of the province by closing their schools and a lot of other things.
My own personal opinion is that we should be encouraging the use of French in Quebec, and there is nothing wrong with that. But removing services that used to be multilingual and making them only French and policing language just supresses minorities and pisses people off.
Getting back on the main point: Not being able to get something I want in Quebec causes Quebec businesses to lose money since in the modern era I just order it from Amazon, Best Buy or drive to Ontario to get it. So Quebec accomplishes nothing except shooting itself in the foot through some of these rules.
Probably because that's the way the law is written. Instead of the government having to do inspections to enforce the law, they rely on citizens bringing civil action to enforce the law. The monetary penalty is a deterrent to businesses and a reward for citizen enforcement.
its absolutely not when its about recognizing the value of language in a normative way regarding the origin of the company. This is not petty in any stretch of the imagination
What kind of nut sends someone death threats over their language equality suits? If it's taking this man's lawsuits to get things as basic as french language announcements on buses in Ottawa to happen, I don't see a single problem with what he's doing.
This is from 2011, so penalty should have been even higher this time by quite a bit. It appears that they haven't learned a single thing from this last suit.
No, you should listen to the safety procedures. These engravings were probably signed by CAR (Canadian Aviation Regulations) as deemed airworthy, so no. These idiots should pay 15k for their fetish of semi-nationalism. English is THE language for aviation (at least in Europe and NA, SA, parts of Asia, don't know about Africa), even in Europe, you must know imperial units, which are the units of aviation.. Take your bullshit elsewhere and fly United next time or take a bus and boat. If your desire for French is that high or you are as dumb that you don't know how to disengage the lock on seat belt, go to France.
I'm completely OK with this, as long as it is my language and not any other.
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Couple are complete clowns. Even if you think all of their complaints are valid, the fact that they should personally be compensated for it is dumb.
Yeah, except Air Canada are required by law to do what they keep getting sued (and losing) for not doing. It's a legal requirement as part of the conditions that allowed the airliner to go from being a crown corporation to a private sector company. If they're too stupid to abide by their legal requirements, they deserve being sued and losing again and again. Maybe this time they would learn and we won't be seeing a headline of how they've lost yet another lawsuit over the same thing.
That the Air Canada should pay, did not know that, thanks! : )
According to some here, since most things sold here are made in China, everything should be written in Chinese.
Fine the airline every x period until they change it, just do something else with the money. I don't think a couple should be personally compensated for this.
it doesn't eliminate a culture altogether but perhaps makes it less rich.
still, the trade off might be worth it. personally, i'd be for a single language world, or at least one with a lingua franca where other languages are learned more for leisure than necessity.
Who do you pay to do the inspections and enforcement of all media materials covered by the law? Have the offending company self report? You are skipping right to the penalty phase.
I dont think the laws work vice versa for english in Quebec. Have heard alot of horror stories of non french people not being able to register or apply for any government services because documents and customer service are only offered in french.
You don't think a couple should have their time and legal fees paid for, for paying out of pocket asking that the national airline follow national law?
Oh I agree with that. French should 100% be protected, but sometimes the implementation is a bit lacking in some cases, especially when it's done at the expense of non-Anglo communities.
That said, translating movie titles into French is at the expense of nothing. I was asking about that specifically. Era is pretty not progressive sometimes when it comes to French issues in canada, so I just wanted clarity.
Yeah, I reported this shit. I have low expectations, however.
Is there no agency or other government authority these things can be reported to?
You're now pulling an agency out of thin air for inspections and enforcement. How many staff do you assign to this task? How much money does the agency budget for inspections and enforcement of this one law?
Ironically France activelt destroyed all of theirs in favour of (parissienne) French
They tried their best with Breton. But it hangs on despite them.
Just as the anglos destroyed Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx and Cornish.
As petty and minor I feel this is it is clear their laws exist to enforce language so they are within their right to pursue this.
It's just not my style.
This is a funny comment considering Québecois is more conservative about adopting anglicisms when compared to Metropolitan French.
Also, bad take.
Quebec is a French-speaking province in a predominantly anglophone country and dwarved by a giant anglophone neighbor to the south.
If you want a European equivalent, look at how the Breton language is dying in France.
I heard Quebec-French is actually the French that European royalty historically spoke. Is that true?
Quebec separatism always seemed as much rooted in xenophobia as it is in protecting a culture. Jacques Parizeau blaming "ethnic votes" for losing the 1995 referendum says it all.