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Korigama

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, they were serious 99% of the time, and yes, less tropey than the ones in VLR, that in my opinion, apart fropm the still seriousness of all it, had more fun characters and routes.
I also found the puzzles less maths problem and more intuition. I know people talk better about 999 in this forum, but I didnt enjoy it very much and only got VLR becuase a friend of mine gifted me the game for the Vita and I gave it a shot.
I'll just say that I had a very negative impression of VLR's cast minus Luna, Quark, and Zero III, having even ultimately liked Clover in 999 but hated her in VLR outside of one path. Arguably the nature of the Ambidex Game contributed to this, but that alone can't be blamed for how unlikeable most of them were. VLR also had the worst character designs in the trilogy, a shame after how great Kinu Nishimura did with 999's designs. The puzzles were needlessly obtuse from my perspective, and I preferred how 999 did things (math included). The atmosphere of the moon base in VLR was also quite weak compared to 999's Titanic replica setting. Both had great soundtracks, but personally I'd say 999 used its music better (will give VLR the nod for the better downtime theme with Placidity over 999's Extreme Extrication, though). I also didn't care for how much tamer the violence and imagery were in VLR compared to 999 as a result of Spike citing JP players regarding 999 as "too scary", which led to ZTD overcorrecting once that game was targeted toward fellow Western Zero Escape fans who complained about that.

Other than that, I also preferred the more personal nature of 999's story, and didn't care for how much the scope of everything expanded in VLR.
 

SofNascimento

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Oct 28, 2017
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Reading the OP it reminds me a bit of Total War: Rome 2. CA added female generals and weeks or even months later some picture of appeared in the internet showing those generals and the game started getting review bombed.
 

Pargon

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's weird that this would happen now, seemingly out of nowhere.
Has a popular streamer played the game and recently got to it or something?

I know absolutely nothing about this game except for that scene - and it was back near the game's launch that I found out about it.
It seemed a bit forced (maybe the translation?) but I appreciate it nonetheless.
 

SPRidley

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll just say that I had a very negative impression of VLR's cast minus Luna, Quark, and Zero III, having even ultimately liked Clover in 999 but hated her in VLR. Arguably the nature of the Ambidex Game contributed to this, but that alone can't be blamed for how unlikeable most of them were. VLR also had the worst character designs in the trilogy, a shame after how great Kinu Nishimura did with 999's designs. The puzzles were needlessly obtuse from my perspective, and preferred how 999 did things (math included). The atmosphere in VLR was also quite weak compared to 999's setting. Both had great soundtracks, but personally I'd say 999 used its music better. I also didn't care for how much tamer the violence and imagery were in VLR compared to 999 as a result of Spike citing JP fans regarding 999 as "too scary", which led to ZTD overcorrecting once that game was targeted toward fellow Western Zero Escape fans who complained about that.

Other than that, I also preferred the more personal nature of 999's story, and didn't care for how much the scope of everything expanded in VLR.
While i enjoyed the setting of 999 better, and thats the only thing i enjoyed more between both games, I hated they really never did anything with such a cool premise as in "we seem to be inside a clone of the Titanic, what if it actually is the Britannic or the Olympic?" As a big fan of the history of the titanic, when the game started I was incredibly interested in that part, and then goes to fuck no where (becuase, yes, its not an important part of the story), but if thats the case, dont make me a bite and switch. At least VLR didnt do that.

About the tone, I know im not like the main fanbase of this type of games (Zero Escape and Danaganronpa for example) becuase I really enjoy the more playful lighthearted parts of them.
The character designs feel to me like the went the exact same way in both games, theres good and bad in both of them. And I really enjoyed Sigma and Phi.

yea, it's much lighter and more fun. I laughed a lot at the jokes. The English dub was also amazing.
Good to know :D
 

Exist 2 Inspire

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AI was my personal GOTY last year. If you're remotely interested in these kind of games, check it out. The story and characters are top notch.

Also fuck those losers.
 

HaremKing

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Huh, that's a pretty odd thing. If anything, I've seen far more hate from the side of the the crowd that thinks its exploitative of women because of Date's inner thoughts about the secretary (pair of very large breasts behind the desk) and of course Aiba using Date's sexual drive to enhance his reaction speed/reflex/concentration by reusing a schtick with a porno mag and even girl's underwear. So I would have assumed any such review bombing came from the crowd that doesn't appreciate that sort of thing, or at least, is combative against any such humor.

I've never seen much of any damning statement online about Mizuki's feelings on the LGBTQ community, though admittedly I don't go looking for that shit.
 

Tohsaka

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Nov 17, 2017
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It's weird that this would happen now, seemingly out of nowhere.
Has a popular streamer played the game and recently got to it or something?

I know absolutely nothing about this game except for that scene - and it was back near the game's launch that I found out about it.
It seemed a bit forced (maybe the translation?) but I appreciate it nonetheless.
The translation is accurate, I played it with Japanese voices and that's what she said in Japanese as well. I liked the game a lot, unfortunate that this is happening.
 

Exist 2 Inspire

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Huh, that's a pretty odd thing. If anything, I've seen far more hate from the side of the the crowd that thinks its exploitative of women because of Date's inner thoughts about the secretary (pair of very large breasts behind the desk) and of course Aiba using Date's sexual drive to enhance his reaction speed/reflex/concentration by reusing a schtick with a porno mag and even girl's underwear.

I've never seen much of any damning statement online about Mizuki's feelings on the LGBTQ community.

I definitely saw some video essays on Youtube that claimed AI bombed sales wise because it went "woke" because of that single scene with Mizuki. Which is a insane statement when you look at the sex jokes, etc.
 

Naga

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Weird.
I wonder which alt-right asshole (or similar) suddenly boosted this scene to lead to the review bombing. Is there no language at least?
Like last time which was due to a spanish youtuber leading to review bombing on some exclusive.
 

Korigama

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While i enjoyed the setting of 999 better, and thats the only thing i enjoyed more between both games, I hated they really never did anything with such a cool premise as in "we seem to be inside a clone of the Titanic, what if it actually is the Britannic or the Olympic?" As a big fan of the history of the titanic, when the game started I was incredibly interested in that part, and then goes to fuck no where (becuase, yes, its not an important part of the story), but if thats the case, dont make me a bite and switch. At least VLR didnt do that.

About the tone, I know im not like the main fanbase of this type of games (Zero Escape and Danaganronpa for example) becuase I really enjoy the more playful lighthearted parts of them.
The character designs feel to me like the went the exact same way in both games, theres good and bad in both of them. And I really enjoyed Sigma and Phi.
Personally, I felt that the twist with Sigma in VLR was handled worse, more of a case of the plausibility of it relative to what the character himself would've noticed.

Also, I consider the lighter moments one of the best things about 999 (as well as ZE and other VNs), with those moments while exploring the rooms being some of the best material in the game. I never got the impression that anyone in the ZE fanbase disliked those qualities, and it's definitely part of why I'm looking forward to the full game with AI after the demo.
 
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milkyway

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May 17, 2018
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Cool gonna buy this, wouldn't have thought about it if not for this thread. Reviews do matter!
 

Crono

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Oct 25, 2017
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Got this over holidays for 20 bucks and I enjoyed the game. Wasnt my favorite from his but a solid 7. People are weird
 

RochHoch

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May 22, 2018
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It's a pretty okay game. Nothing amazing, but not bad at all. Shame it's getting review bombed.
 

Damn Silly

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Oct 25, 2017
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I blame myself for starting it up last night.

But aye, daft shite like this is why I canna be bothered with user reviews the majority of the time.
 

Scottoest

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"User Reviews" on Metacritic, Steam, and elsewhere, just shouldn't be a thing. They are worthless, in our bleak internet culture where everything is either awesome or trash; a ten or a zero.

And even that assumes people are even giving the score based on what they though of the game, versus giving a zero as some sort of protest of something in particular, or giving a 10 to "counter" the zeroes.

Either way, the end result is a system that adds no value.
 

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So I'm guessing some chud decided to play through the game, found the message and started a campaign to review bomb it? That's the only thing I can think of because this is really a random thing to do right now.
 

Deleted member 925

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The game is full of sexual stuff for straight white men. But the LGBT community having some characters and a minute of screen time is too much?
How sad.

Straight white men simply couldn't handle this much truth in this single scene.

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Kitty Paws

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Oct 21, 2019
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Weird that this is happening now when the game came out months ago.

This is a good adventure game and I hope the review bombing has the opposite effect of what whoever did it was hoping for - that is, instead of being dissuaded to try it out, people who are taking notice of the game because of this will realize it's worth playing and give it a shot.

Also can I just mention that the true ending is amazing.
 

Dany1899

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Dec 23, 2017
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I cannot understand how people have fun in doing such review bombings. In this case it is even more astounding because it happened months ago after the release. Metacritic should try to make some actions with respect to this problem. Some developers or buyers don't care, others instead coould be seriously affected.

Really want to play this. 60 euros a bit too steep, but once it drops a bit I'm in.



On the Nintendo eShop there is a 40% discount.
I really suggest to everyone (especially people liking visual novels or investigative games) to buy it, story and characters are amazing, you won't regret your purchase for sure.
 

NinjaBoiX

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's great that this game has a positive message about the LGBT community, it's an important message to send, good on them. But that scene is kind of laying it on a bit thick no?

"Everyone in that community is super awesome and an incredible human being displaying all the agreeable character traits. Also, they have basically no flaws and deserve your respect."

You could've told me that was parody and I'd have no trouble believing it. Worthy and noble message, really poorly delivered.
 

Zacmortar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good game? I keep giving this a pass over but with this pro LGBTQ+ message im interested again.
Its great but keep in mind this message comes from the little girl talking to the walking shitty drag stereotype who is constantly referred to as a monster.

The game is great but whoof does it undermine its own progressive message as it says it.
 

pezzie

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'll buy this game to show support. Do I need to play any of the previous games before this one or is it stand alone?
 

Byronic Hero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bought the Special Agent Edition a while back and have yet to crack it open due to my backlog, but knowing this, it just shot straight to the top of my to-play list.
 

Rotobit

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Oct 27, 2017
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I genuinely think at this point Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes etc. should just scrap user reviews. I don't think it's ever really benefited anyone, and I'm sure independent user aggregate sites will pop up eventually.

It could just put fear in the hearts of developers who might want to do something more progressive but perceive it as potentially damaging their bottom line. Like, imagine if Persona 5 Royal removed its homophobic elements in the localization.
 

Alent

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Oct 28, 2017
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Why after all this time? What? God, people are so useless and stupid.

I played about 3 hours of this game and i really should get back to it.
 

Ahti

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If that`s the reason: fuck these people. The game is great and you should check it out.
 

Dogui

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For a niche game like this, it's free ad imo.

Sucks that the dev got affected tho, would probably feel the same in this situation.

"User Reviews" on Metacritic, Steam, and elsewhere, just shouldn't be a thing. They are worthless, in our bleak internet culture where everything is either awesome or trash; a ten or a zero.

And even that assumes people are even giving the score based on what they though of the game, versus giving a zero as some sort of protest of something in particular, or giving a 10 to "counter" the zeroes.

Either way, the end result is a system that adds no value.

User reviews on Steam are pretty useful, assuming you read the good ones (I always read a positive and negative review with the most useful votes). Of course the % rate of positive vs negative reviews is completely useless but it's just a matter of looking at the quality instead of quantity. Steam community is full of toxic people but there's also lots of people posting good stuff.
 

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I've got problems with the game, but no game deserves to be brigaded. (Conspiracy time: could it be astroturfing to try to light up another round of interest? Almost certainly not, but fun to speculate.)
 

sinny

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Oct 28, 2017
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"User Reviews" on Metacritic, Steam, and elsewhere, just shouldn't be a thing. They are worthless, in our bleak internet culture where everything is either awesome or trash; a ten or a zero.

And even that assumes people are even giving the score based on what they though of the game, versus giving a zero as some sort of protest of something in particular, or giving a 10 to "counter" the zeroes.

Either way, the end result is a system that adds no value.

Steam works, the others not so much.

In fact Steam user reviews are more useful than professional reviewers by far.
 

Milennia

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fantastic game, if you like Ace Attorney play this
Gave me 25 hours without even realizing the time was passing
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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"User Reviews" on Metacritic, Steam, and elsewhere, just shouldn't be a thing. They are worthless, in our bleak internet culture where everything is either awesome or trash; a ten or a zero.

And even that assumes people are even giving the score based on what they though of the game, versus giving a zero as some sort of protest of something in particular, or giving a 10 to "counter" the zeroes.

Either way, the end result is a system that adds no value.

im having difficulty finding a flaw in your argument.
 

Deleted member 7948

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"User Reviews" on Metacritic, Steam, and elsewhere, just shouldn't be a thing. They are worthless, in our bleak internet culture where everything is either awesome or trash; a ten or a zero.
Steam reviews are one of the best ways to know if there is something wrong with a port.

If I see a mixed or negative reception on a game that's supposedly good by professional journalists, I'll read steam reviews to find out why.
 

MLH

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Oct 26, 2017
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Imagine being such a piece of shit that you'd hate on LGBT groups that are doing no harm, then you'd spend your time review bomb a game that has a harmless supportive message to those LGBT people.
Bunch of losers.

Game is in my back catalogue, waiting for a quiet moment to start it. Ironically if more media outlets pick this up, it might do more good for the game in terms of exposure, backfiring on those review bombers!
 

Dany1899

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Dec 23, 2017
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For a niche game like this, it's free ad imo.

On one side, the main target audience of this game is made by videogamers who carefully choose what to play, independently of user reviews on Metacritic. Visual novels are, in fact, niche and the audience itself isn't large.
On the other side, such a game is perfect for people who would like to try a visual novel for the first time, too. And those players could ask themselves: "There is this anime looking game on sale on the eShop, 40% discount, wow. Maybe I look for some opinions online", they could come to Metacritic and find several red reviews.
To sum up, in my opinion, a review bombing for a niche game can be free ad for the niche main audience, it is not for other people who may be interested in experiment this genre.
 

HylianSeven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fucking -phobic gamers. I don't get even by their standards why this niche game is worth review bombing five months after it released.

Go buy this game! Most people that hated Zero Time Dilemma still enjoyed Ai.

The lead game designer was SO SAD about this - I explained to him the phenomenon of "review bombing", and I hope he feels better.

This was honestly my GOTY for 2019, and I hope that the counterpoint of the reviewbombing is that more people will become aware of it and play it.

So uh, yeah - please play AI: The Somnium Files.
This is so sad to hear, but I hope they know that a good amount of people played the game and loved it. It was within my top 5 of 2019. I was glad to see the above monologue from Mizuki about LGBTQ+.
 
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