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Lobster Roll

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Sep 24, 2019
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Whenever a Battlefield 2042 thread rolls around you can always expect the usual posters to be there. Lobster Roll and Serpens007 playing damage control for DICEs gameplay decisions while Nateo yearns for the DICE of old and craps on current leadership.
Serpens007
Nateo

At least @ people if you're going to talk about them. And if you're going to be Randall Weems over there, you'd notice that I've acknowledged and highlighted the many ways that this game has disappointed people and that I support their disappointment. For me, it's still a hit, and there's plenty about the game that keep me coming back over and over again. It's clearly a failure to many people, but I'm not going to misrepresent my enjoyment of the product.
 

Aangster

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Oct 27, 2017
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The catalogue of bugs, including server performance degradation, has just continued to grow over and beyond the holiday break. Shit's a fucking joke.

Give out refunds EA.
 

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I feel terrible for the devs. Seems like they are really struggling to get this thing up to snuff, and every step forward brings two steps back. Not to mention the endless hostility being thrown at them online.

I hope there's not crunch going on at DICE right now, but I don't know how they could avoid it. I wish we knew the names of the executives who made the decision to push this game out early so that the vitriol could be rightfully aimed at them.
 

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Whenever a Battlefield 2042 thread rolls around you can always expect the usual posters to be there. Lobster Roll and Serpens007 playing damage control for DICEs gameplay decisions while Nateo yearns for the DICE of old and craps on current leadership.
Yeah, no. People can enjoy the game if they want. None of those posters are being unreasonable, and I think it's helpful for the broader conversation if we get a myriad of view points. Sorry that two whole posters had contrary views. If you're so miffed about reading posts from certain people, the ignore button is right there.

But you're too scared to even @ them. šŸ˜
 

ajoshi

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Sep 11, 2021
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I don't even know how this is a discussion.

When every single technical/balance/etc argument in BF is cast as whiny bad faith gamergater vs sensible devs respecter because of the BFV prerelease circus and the knockon effect on community discussion even 5 years later, becomes a lot easier for some to handwave obvious omissions and dismiss anyone posting them.
 

Xterrian

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Apr 20, 2018
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Yeah, no. People can enjoy the game if they want. None of those posters are being unreasonable, and I think it's helpful for the broader conversation if we get a myriad of view points. Sorry that two whole posters had contrary views. If you're so miffed about reading posts from certain people, the ignore button is right there.

But you're too scared to even @ them. šŸ˜
"helpful"
sure jan. calling out the VAST majority of the playerbase as "a vocal internet minority" and labeling a basic ass feature as "needless complaints" is helpful.

but i doubt you're in good faith about this. i mean you just insulted someone because they didn't at some people
 

jokkir

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still dont think the game is really that bad šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø I have a lot of issues with the game but I feel the negativity is really exaggerated

Talking about the game is getting pretty tiring though
 

MetalKhaos

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Oct 31, 2017
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I can't believe people are questioning why the scoreboard is being requested. People like to track their progress in game, likeā€¦ every other multiplayer fps game. It's not that hard to see why BF fans want to see a basic feature that has been present in every other game in the franchise included here.

Aside from the weird lack of scoreboard, the thing that really puzzles me is how the hell did they release this without any sort of voice chat between squad members?
 

Arklite

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Oct 27, 2017
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I feel terrible for the devs. Seems like they are really struggling to get this thing up to snuff, and every step forward brings two steps back. Not to mention the endless hostility being thrown at them online.

They should switch to vague Sony style 'stability' updates until they have features ready to announce. Transparency of delays is just getting them ire.
 

whistleklik

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm no scoreboard Andy, sweating in a vehicle somewhere but I liked it for seeing if there was a bunch of cheating shits in the game. The specialist need more tuning for sure as a few of them are useless. More benefits for the classes should be looked into. I think support is the only one with a base trait of revive all and faster revive. No voice chat was probably the biggest yikes.

I hope DICE is making the right decisions and avoid listening to the deranged social media clowns who want dark gritty mature battlefield. They did that with BFV and I felt like that kind of ruined what we were getting. I guess my biggest fear is they get around to these updates and no one is around to enjoy them.
 

Aangster

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm no scoreboard Andy, sweating in a vehicle somewhere but I liked it for seeing if there was a bunch of cheating shits in the game. The specialist need more tuning for sure as a few of them are useless. More benefits for the classes should be looked into. I think support is the only one with a base trait of revive all and faster revive. No voice chat was probably the biggest yikes.

I hope DICE is making the right decisions and avoid listening to the deranged social media clowns who want dark gritty mature battlefield. They did that with BFV and I felt like that kind of ruined what we were getting. I guess my biggest fear is they get around to these updates and no one is around to enjoy them.

What? DICE heavily pushed the world collapse setting and subsequent global conflict to drive a sense of 2042 being a BF that took a dark turn. Actually turns out there was a total disconnect amongst the writers.

It's not on "deranged social media clowns", it's on them. With these delays in place, there's literally going to be close to no one around to enjoy these updates.
 

Pois0n

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Oct 10, 2021
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I think this game is second to Cyberpunk 2077 for biggest AAA launch fail. Catalogue of errors in every area.

By the time they fix everything, there might not be any players left to care.

I think this is worse.

At least Cyberpunk has the advantage of not really relying on a constant high player base to function, like if the upcoming update for it is good then the game will just be good, doesn't matter how many people are playing it. Whereas even if 2042 makes major improvements, it won't matter if no one comes back to play it, it depends on having enough people playing it to fill up servers.
 

gothmog

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Oct 28, 2017
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At this point I think they should offer refunds. I do have to laugh though when I read through Reddit threads with some of these people demanding refunds. "Worst game ever! I played 100 hours and I just can't stand it. Give me my money back!"
 

Niosai

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Oct 28, 2017
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DICE/EA could have attempted a FFXIV-style relaunch of the game in a year but I guess are instead hoping that the couple of thousand people still playing it on average will keep it alive until the summer?
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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Why are you so bitter about the scoreboard change?

Because of posts like these:

not having a scoreboard is genuinely embarrassing.
like I actually would be emberassed in not having such a standard feature.

Like, dude, there is a scoreboard. You press tab, or whatever it is on console and it pops up. Saying that there isn't is internet hyperbole, and I'm pretty damn tired of it. You may dislike it, sure. People, specially gamers, don't usually like new things.

Look, after all these months, I only have around 40 hours of play in this game. I like it, but it wasn't that great to keep me coming all that often and life's too short and there's many great titles unplayed out there. By this time, in comparison, I already had over 100 hours of BFV because I loved that one. Yeah, game has tremendous issues. But the scoreboard has been such a low hanging fruit, useless, childish complaint by the community (as well as stuff like the Santa skin or Arrgg angel does it again!, which I know is more of a meme but a lot of people didn't get that memo) that it completely exahusts me. But as I've been sucked into the internet black hole, I still can't let go of how stupid all of this is.

Like how many times in Era or Reddit or Twitter or whatever have you read people pointing how to improve maps, the specialist systems, or whatever? I've read a couple of them. They're really cool attempts by good faith people who wants things to be better. And community feedback has been an important part of improving a shitshow of a game, like what happened with BF4 and stuff like community maps and the test servers. Sadly the loud crowd who just like to vent has taken over (and I understand why, but c'mon).

The complaints about shit like the scoreboard are just a drive by. It doesn't add or take anything to the game if there is or if there isn't a traditional one, changing this is wasted resources on a game that's on life support. It's tiresome.

How come? Isn't this supposed to be some sort of hero / military shooter? I enjoy seeing how I'm doing compared with other people, I guess that's fairly standard in pretty much any competitive setting. I mean, it's kinda the point, really. I guess it is only an useful feature if you happen to use it?

What boggles the mind is how such a mundane feature, just something presenting numbers on screen (because the data is collected all the time, for sure) can be so divisive and take such a long time to be put together by what is accepted to be a top notch developer.

No, it's a squad based shooter. Does it succeed at it? I don't think so. However the scoreboard isn't what has the game on the state it is. So that's the point, it's not an useful feature only if it happens to work for me. It's that it is useless. Traditional scoreboards tells you nothing apart from individual kills and deaths. Like how many times have you gotten into, say, a CoD match, and went "whew, thank god there's a traditional scoreboard here. I don't know how I could have fun without it!". It means nothing at the end of the day.

Seriously, the one on this game even tells you if your team's ticket bleed is caused by deaths and not capture points. People always complain that medics don't revive, well you can actually know if your squad is reviving or not this time instead of just being anecdotal. That's useful information in a game like Battlefield.

Sure, the scoreboard can improve. But changing it into the old system to please a loud crowd? As a priority? In a game with this many issues? That's fucked up.

And clearly it isn't that easy to implement. If it was it would've rolled out already. So yeah, DICE is wasting resources to please a crowd that already made their minds and won't care until influencers and reddit tell them "hey you can come back now" and they keep hate-playing until the next game releases.

The real reason there's such a buzz around the scoreboard is that the rest of the game came in too hot. If the rest of the game was fine enough for most people, the scoreboard would be a minor complaint and an update around a year after release when major updates already rolled out.

"Fortunately we have a product for people who don't like team play; it's called squadboard."

But the squadboard is for people who like teamplay šŸ¤”
 
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I'm no scoreboard Andy, sweating in a vehicle somewhere but I liked it for seeing if there was a bunch of cheating shits in the game. The specialist need more tuning for sure as a few of them are useless. More benefits for the classes should be looked into. I think support is the only one with a base trait of revive all and faster revive. No voice chat was probably the biggest yikes.

I hope DICE is making the right decisions and avoid listening to the deranged social media clowns who want dark gritty mature battlefield. They did that with BFV and I felt like that kind of ruined what we were getting. I guess my biggest fear is they get around to these updates and no one is around to enjoy them.
HUH?!?!?

BF2042 was CLEARLY advertised to be a dark gritty mature game from the beginning...

-From the Exodus movie...
-Tons of "dark" concept arts that was released to the public
-Tons of "dark" advertisement in Social Media such as Instagram
-Keeps quoiting depressing statements from the concept art, etc. "look at the world ending.. dun dun dun.." crap like that

This was the direction they wanted the game to go to. Yet, the final product was the complete opposite.. that's one of the biggest issues with the game. It has a lost identity.

WOW ANGEL DOES IT AGAIN!
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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That's not a good enough reason to constantly dismiss everybody else's complaints about it as "useless".

In a nutshell: I have not seen a single good argument in favor of the old scoreboard and it all sounds to the usual internet hyperbole. It's just "I don't like it" disguised as "devs are obligated by law to have a traditional scoreboard".

So I'll keep thinking that it's a waste of time until I either see good arguments or I get bored of the discussion. It'll probably be the second one.
 

SirKai

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Dec 28, 2017
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In a nutshell: I have not seen a single good argument in favor of the old scoreboard and it all sounds to the usual internet hyperbole. It's just "I don't like it" disguised as "devs are obligated by law to have a traditional scoreboard".

So I'll keep thinking that it's a waste of time until I either see good arguments or I get bored of the discussion. It'll probably be the second one.

I wanna see my individual score tick upwards and be recognized for all of my healing and revives.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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I wanna see my individual score tick upwards and be recognized for all of my healing and revives.

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It tells you that. You can see how many kills, assists, captures and revive you (and your squad) have in comparison to the top 5 squads of the game. Ammount of individual kills, deaths, revives, captures, defenses, and assists you have.

The ammount of points it gives for such actions is a bigger issue than the scoreboard. This image can and should be improved, but it's nowhere near the "there isn't a scoreboard!" posts.
 

Lobster Roll

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Sep 24, 2019
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It tells you that. You can see how many kills, assists, captures and revive you (and your squad) have in comparison to the top 5 squads of the game. Ammount of individual kills, deaths, revives, captures, defenses, and assists you have.

The ammount of points it gives for such actions is a bigger issue than the scoreboard. This image can and should be improved, but it's nowhere near the "there isn't a scoreboard!" posts.
I still contend that if this was the old scoreboard and they replaced it with the detailless "kill, death, ping" scoreboard that people would be maaaaad.
 

Charcoal

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Nov 2, 2017
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In a nutshell: I have not seen a single good argument in favor of the old scoreboard and it all sounds to the usual internet hyperbole. It's just "I don't like it" disguised as "devs are obligated by law to have a traditional scoreboard".

So I'll keep thinking that it's a waste of time until I either see good arguments or I get bored of the discussion. It'll probably be the second one.
Didn't EA just have a sponsored live stream where the commenters had to manually count the kills because there was no scoreboard?
 

Kalentan

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Oct 25, 2017
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The old scoreboard is just one thing- you can't even manually select what squad your in. Once you leave it just randomly throws you into another one. Which is just lol.

But I'm sure there will be people defending that too.
 

Violater

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Nov 19, 2017
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In a world of bunny hopping space wizard and just weird character shooters, BF was a welcome breath of fresh air.
The whimsey came from the antics you could get up to in the soapbox, not the forced caricatures the specialist personalities are.

They should start by making the end game quips skippable, or just give the option to turn them off altogether.
Get squad and proximity voip working , (JFC MAG on the PS3 had voip).
Fix the scoreboard.
Allow for zooming in on the map at the spawn selection.
Fix the vehicle system, the vehicle call in and spawn system is broken.
Tanks are just useless now.
Release some of the older maps.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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Didn't EA just have a sponsored live stream where the commenters had to manually count the kills because there was no scoreboard?

I don't know honestly, I don't follow sponsored events, however I don't see how that is important for the everyday player

The old scoreboard is just one thing- you can't even manually select what squad your in. Once you leave it just randomly throws you into another one. Which is just lol.

But I'm sure there will be people defending that too.

Well that's the thing: that is an actual problem of the game that affects how people play.
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I remember as soon as this launched people were arguing that those upset or frustrated with the game were being nitpicks. But just weeks after it launched, I've heard nothing positive about this game. What happened, here?
 

DoradoWinston

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Apr 9, 2019
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The complaints about shit like the scoreboard are just a drive by. It doesn't add or take anything to the game if there is or if there isn't a traditional one, changing this is wasted resources on a game that's on life support. It's tiresome.
They arent drive-by unless the only thing that person complains about that on reddit or social media. (let alone spamming devs on twitter or what not)
Its not the biggest issue in the game, not by a pacific sized margin but it does take away something that there isnt a traditional one.
doesnt change my opinion on it being kinda embarrassing that such a thing is even in the state it is tbh.

its just such an uneeded change, if anything its baffling resources were put into redoing something that has been working for years and has been proven
not only in other modern shooters but games in the same franchise. its like no one just stopped and asked why, it adds nothing and all of a sudden UI/UX designers and programmers
were tasked to come up with new shit they didnt ever needed to do on top of implementing some sort of board.

Whether resources should be put on a scoreboard redo first idk, I have no idea what their internal roadmap looks like but its a relatively easier fix than the mile long list of shit that needs to be fixed/changed.
If anything its more important resources should be put on taking time to have a decent onboarding system that gets people used to Frostbite + detailed documentation.
 

DoradoWinston

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Apr 9, 2019
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The old scoreboard is just one thing- you can't even manually select what squad your in. Once you leave it just randomly throws you into another one. Which is just lol.

But I'm sure there will be people defending that too.
i actually hate that they dont have a squad selection in the game...like whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

playing 2042, or at least when I did play it was depressing at times lol
 

Cantaim

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Stussining
All I can say as someone that followed this game from a distance. This thing definitely looks like it needed another 6+ months or maybe a year in the oven. Gives off the vibes that this thing is the multiplayer equivalent of Cyberpunk 2077.
 

Violater

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Nov 19, 2017
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All I can say as someone that followed this game from a distance. This thing definitely looks like it needed another 6+ months or maybe a year in the oven. Gives off the vibes that this thing is the multiplayer equivalent of Cyberpunk 2077.
Crashing aside, I don't think a year of dev time would fix this.
It's clear DICE made design decisions pretty early that drastically changed the formula that fans have grown to expect.
Shame considering how amazing BF3 & 4 were, the series has been on a downward spiral since.
 

Zoid

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Oct 27, 2017
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When was the last time a Battlefield game, or DICE game for that matter, didn't release as a hot mess that took months to a year to fix? Their first game that I bought was BF3 but it wasn't at launch so by the time I got it it was already working so I can't really speak about it or any game they made before but since BF4 onward this has been there MO.
 

PanzerKraken

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Nov 1, 2017
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Crashing aside, I don't think a year of dev time would fix this.
It's clear DICE made design decisions pretty early that drastically changed the formula that fans have grown to expect.
Shame considering how amazing BF3 & 4 were, the series has been on a downward spiral since.

This is why it needed more beta testing and time, to get real player feedback. These small internal betas are useless. They already were pushing lot of changes after one tiny public beta.
 

PanzerKraken

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Nov 1, 2017
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When was the last time a Battlefield game, or DICE game for that matter, didn't release as a hot mess that took months to a year to fix? Their first game that I bought was BF3 but it wasn't at launch so by the time I got it it was already working so I can't really speak about it or any game they made before but since BF4 onward this has been there MO.

Battlefield 1 was a solid launch and product.
 

Nateo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Whenever a Battlefield 2042 thread rolls around you can always expect the usual posters to be there. Lobster Roll and Serpens007 playing damage control for DICEs gameplay decisions while Nateo yearns for the DICE of old and craps on current leadership.
I mean Leadership is clearly the problem. I just want a good Battlefield game havent had that for years sadly.
 

Lightjolly

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Oct 30, 2019
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Nah, at least this game is playable and most critical glitches were fixed before the christmas break. There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding the game's issues. It's nowhere near the absolute clusterfuck Cyberpunk was. It's not that far either just... nah
Cyberpunk at least was a new ip, this is what the 8th battlefield? How do you not get it right by now?

But yeah cyberpunk was probably a bigger ooph because of the hype marketing around it
 

XR.

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Nov 22, 2018
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I have not seen a single good argument in favor of the old scoreboard
What other argument can there be other than it being fun/rewarding seeing how you're doing vs. others and how one's performance can evolve throughout a match. I don't think this is controversial, people simply like to see how they perform, improve and progress.

It's simply about showing statistics so I'm not sure what arguments you can expect, but I mean there's really no reason not to have it in a competitive game in this day and age.
 
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Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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Oct 28, 2017
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A shooter having a scoreboard is not something to throw a party over, it's just part of its default language.

Do you throw a party when you see a fighting game has a movelist? When a sports game has a scoreboard?

Your assertion that it might be taking longer due to complexity issues is pretty laughable too, seeing as every other developer finds the time to put it in their games, and DICE has worked with this engine (that they created, remember) for a very long time.