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TheClaw7667

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,704
I think this is worse.

If you compare what both studios were making I think 2042 is way worse. It shouldn't be this difficult for DICE to make a Battlefield game, they've been making them for over a decade now. At least CDPR has the excuse that it was an entirely new genre for them, and had some high ambitions they failed to meet. But there's nothing overly ambitious about 2042 and they not only failed on making that part good, but it's also full of bugs and terrible performance for a pretty ugly game.
Nah, at least this game is playable and most critical glitches were fixed before the christmas break. There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding the game's issues. It's nowhere near the absolute clusterfuck Cyberpunk was. It's not that far either just... nah

It may not be worse in your opinion but to say most critical glitches have been fixed before Christmas is a felt-out lie. Unless you are going to say the revive bug that still persists isn't a critical glitch or the aiming bug when existing vehicles or players being able to glitch into geometry and shoot players while they are unkillable isn't critical. Or the newly introduced bug of invisible players and an increase in the number of crashes. The hit detection may not be a glitch but it's pathetic that such a critical aspect of a multiplayer FPS is in the state that it's in.
 

elyetis

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,556
Which isn't a problem in a squad based game. I know what they mean: a useless complaint. There's nothing to be gained by knowing who has more kills and who has more deaths.
I like battlefield scoreboard when it shows my score, and allow me to compare my score to others, so I know how good I'm doing compared to others while it push me to fight harder to climb that ladder.
 

Doskoi Panda

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,956
They really should have delayed it the year and cancelled last gen versions. Would have given them more time and less platforms to worry about. Player count seems low enough for PC and current gen consoles. Last gen numbers are probably depressingly low.
Straight up. What a comedy of unforced errors this game is.
 

RoKKeR

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,382
Ready for that BFV relaunch, let's go!

I don't begrudge the devs for delaying things to get them right. It's just… emblematic of the problem with EA rushing this game out.
 

strikeselect

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,130
Lol. Thanks micro for releasing halo infinite when you did. Otherwise I'd be salty as fuck with my bf2042 purchase

Halo isn't in that great of a state either, even after a one year delay. BF2042 and Halo are abysmal and needed way more time in the oven.

Modern Warfare 2022 is going to obliterate both of these games' playerbases later this year.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
8,128
Chile
If you compare what both studios were making I think 2042 is way worse. It shouldn't be this difficult for DICE to make a Battlefield game, they've been making them for over a decade now. At least CDPR has the excuse that it was an entirely new genre for them, and had some high ambitions they failed to meet. But there's nothing overly ambitious about 2042 and they not only failed on making that part good, but it's also full of bugs and terrible performance for a pretty ugly game.


It may not be worse in your opinion but to say most critical glitches have been fixed before Christmas is a felt-out lie. Unless you are going to say the revive bug that still persists isn't a critical glitch or the aiming bug when existing vehicles or players being able to glitch into geometry and shoot players while they are unkillable isn't critical. Or the newly introduced bug of invisible players and an increase in the number of crashes. The hit detection may not be a glitch but it's pathetic that such a critical aspect of a multiplayer FPS is in the state that it's in.

Oh I'm not saying that there aren't glitches or anything. But right now you can at least play a couple of matches (when you can find them) and it won't be the mess that Cyberpunk was after two or three months of launch. You'll encounter glitches that absolutely need fix, but most critical issues were adressed.

I think people saying that Cyberpunk is better in that regard is just recency bias. Cyberpunk straight up ran (still maybe) at below 20 fps in last gen. Like that's completely on a different level than BF2042. 2042 is closer to the BF4 launch in this aspect (and I still think that 2042 has been a bit more stable, if not by much, probably due to anectodal experience).

My biggest technical issue is that performance leaves a lot to be desired. I can stand a glitch here and there, but if on lower end hardware it's basically impossible to run well unless you have a 6+gb card and a 6+core CPU in a game that can be run in last gen consoles, then it's really poorly optimized.

I like battlefield scoreboard when it shows my score, and allow me to compare my score to others, so I know how good I'm doing compared to others while it push me to fight harder to climb that ladder.

But it tells you that. It tells you how your squad is doing, your own kills and points and how it compares to the top squads and teams as a whole.

Condescending much?
Just because you don't value the information doesn't mean it's useless for other people.

And just because the loud crowd say that "there isn't a scoreboard" doesn't mean it's true. There is one, with far more information than traditional scoreboards. They may not like it, but to say other thing it's hyperbole. It's a squad and team based game, the information that isn't there is only useful for lone wolf players.

It's a bigger issue the lack of VOIP, that the game doesn't communicate it's systems well, specialist balance and map layout. The scoreboard is the least of BF2042's problems.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
8,128
Chile
if its important to the majority of players; is it really a useless complaint?

Is it really a majority though, or is it reddit and twitter being loud? is it really a useful complaint or is it a snowball effect blowing it out of proportion considering the rest of the game's state?
 

Hero Prinny

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,192
Halo isn't in that great of a state either, even after a one year delay. BF2042 and Halo are abysmal and needed way more time in the oven.

Modern Warfare 2022 is going to obliterate both of these games' playerbases later this year.
I've had 0 issues with halo since I've uninstalled the high res textures off of steam. No hackers, no crashes, quickly get into matches. Most common issue i see raised at halo are console players whining about cross play and people whining about the battle pass, two things that have 0 effect on my enjoyment of the game.
 

Lobster Roll

signature-less, now and forever
Member
Sep 24, 2019
34,359
if its important to the majority of players; is it really a useless complaint?
The narrative when Specialists dropped was that they were antithesis to squad-based gameplay and people were beating that drum for months (and to an extend are still doing so today). It's just weird to see the same community asking for a Lone Wolf style scoreboard.
 

Kerwop

Member
Dec 15, 2017
396
I miss being able to get points for revives and healing and being able to be top of the scoreboard with like 3 kills and 3 deaths. Giving points for every action incentivized teamplay.

It's actually one of the things I miss most from previous Battlefields. The new scoreboard leads to more lone wolf style gameplay since 90% of actions aren't included.
 

MetalKhaos

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,699
The narrative when Specialists dropped was that they were antithesis to squad-based gameplay and people were beating that drum for months (and to an extend are still doing so today). It's just weird to see the same community asking for a Lone Wolf style scoreboard.

Honestly at the beginning, I was assuming that Specialists were kind of what they did with Battlefront where you can get points and select one for something a bit different while still having your core group of classes. Sadly I was wrong.
 
Jul 26, 2018
2,386
Can't believe I had to facepalm again....

Yea... I truly believe Season 1 is not going to be released this summer. Probably late Summer or Fall at this point. I've lost trust in DICE... This is just embarrassing.

Too little, too late. Game will be dead over summer time (or even before summer!) when other games releases. I don't think FTP (free to play) will save it. Sure it wil gain some numbers, but it will decline fast after most new players will find out how truly poo poo the game is...
 

Deleted member 16908

Oct 27, 2017
9,377
DICE and 343 competing hard for most embarrassingly poor post-launch support.
 

NexusCell

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
855
Whenever a Battlefield 2042 thread rolls around you can always expect the usual posters to be there. Lobster Roll and Serpens007 playing damage control for DICEs gameplay decisions while Nateo yearns for the DICE of old and craps on current leadership.
 

Harpua

Member
Oct 25, 2017
101
Let's not forget season 1 rolling out in summer can actually mean September. 10 months with no content for a GAAS with a paid battle pass. Even if it hits in June, which we know it won't, that will still be 7-8 months after launch.

I bought the gold and can't help but feel like EA stole a little bit of money out my pocket.
 

Kerwop

Member
Dec 15, 2017
396
The narrative when Specialists dropped was that they were antithesis to squad-based gameplay and people were beating that drum for months (and to an extend are still doing so today). It's just weird to see the same community asking for a Lone Wolf style scoreboard.

How were the old scoreboards lone wolf style? You received points for teamplay such as issuing/following squad orders, healing, resupplying, spotting, etc. The new scoreboard just shows kills, deaths, and revives. It's much more similar to a standard K/D ratio.

I used to enjoy hanging in the back of a big firefight racking up points with healing, revives, resupplies and being at the top of the scoreboard. I'd end most matches with a few kills and still have a blast because of the points I got for teamplay.
 

SirKai

Member
Dec 28, 2017
7,375
Washington
How were the old scoreboards lone wolf style? You received points for teamplay such as issuing/following squad orders, healing, resupplying, spotting, etc. The new scoreboard just shows kills, deaths, and revives. It's much more similar to a standard K/D ratio.

I used to enjoy hanging in the back of a big firefight racking up points with healing, revives, resupplies and being at the top of the scoreboard. I'd end most matches with a few kills and still have a blast because of the points I got for teamplay.

This was where most of my enjoyment from Bad Company 2 blossomed. Team Fortress 2 was the first online shooter I got really into (though I had played some Halo 2 and 3), and natural team play and the way the scoring system rewarded well beyond just kills was extremely satisfying. Seeing that kind of gameplay reflected in BC2, even though it was much more of a straight up FPS across all roles, was so satisfying. I loved playing Medic in BC2 and racking up high scores in a match.
 

elyetis

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,556
But it tells you that. It tells you how your squad is doing, your own kills and points and how it compares to the top squads and teams as a whole.
I don't mind seeing how my squad is doing, even if without a premade I don't see any use to it, people don't play as a squad so the aggregation of it's players performance mean little to me.
But it does not tell me how me how I am doing compared to other individual players, with a score system which properly reward me both for """"lonewolf"""" action like kills, but also teamplay action like resupply, heals, repairs.. closest thing to it being the xp system.
 

dusan

Member
Aug 2, 2020
5,397
Screw this game, seriously. I'm not gonna touch again until summer.

I'm so glad we have tons of new games to play.
 

ManOfWar

Member
Jan 6, 2020
2,472
Brazil
Which isn't a problem in a squad based game. I know what they mean: a useless complaint. There's nothing to be gained by knowing who has more kills and who has more deaths.

How come? Isn't this supposed to be some sort of hero / military shooter? I enjoy seeing how I'm doing compared with other people, I guess that's fairly standard in pretty much any competitive setting. I mean, it's kinda the point, really. I guess it is only an useful feature if you happen to use it?

What boggles the mind is how such a mundane feature, just something presenting numbers on screen (because the data is collected all the time, for sure) can be so divisive and take such a long time to be put together by what is accepted to be a top notch developer.
 

Legacy

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
15,704
I can't believe people are questioning why the scoreboard is being requested. People like to track their progress in game, like… every other multiplayer fps game. It's not that hard to see why BF fans want to see a basic feature that has been present in every other game in the franchise included here.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,960
What boggles the mind is how such a mundane feature, just something presenting numbers on screen (because the data is collected all the time, for sure) can be so divisive and take such a long time to be put together by what is accepted to be a top notch developer.

I don't even know how this is a discussion.

DICE successfully convinced some community members to go at each other like it is some kind of zero-sum game where you can only have 30% of the features other games have. Or if DICE has to modify the scoreboard, it means the development resources are going to reworking this feature impeding the progress on others. It is DICE who are consintently removing or degrading features every game, and it is DICE presenting the literal patch footnote task as a multi-month spotlight project.
 

Soap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,186
I mean U actually enjoyed the core game and couldn't rightfully adk for a refund, but if the season 1 stuff is delayed, truncated and a new game is rushed out then I want at least a coupon or something for 50% off. Obviously never going to happen, but Dice diehards got seriously fucked on this.
 

RoKKeR

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,382
I miss being able to get points for revives and healing and being able to be top of the scoreboard with like 3 kills and 3 deaths. Giving points for every action incentivized teamplay.

It's actually one of the things I miss most from previous Battlefields. The new scoreboard leads to more lone wolf style gameplay since 90% of actions aren't included.
That and many of the fundamental elements of the game. (specialists, lack of coherent squad play, etc.)
 

JigglesBunny

Prophet of Truth
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
31,119
Chicago
I know the game is out and sitting on my hard drive right now, but uh… can we cancel Battlefield 2042?
 
Jul 26, 2018
2,386
I can't believe people are questioning why the scoreboard is being requested. People like to track their progress in game, like… every other multiplayer fps game. It's not that hard to see why BF fans want to see a basic feature that has been present in every other game in the franchise included here.
This 100%.

Not sure this is a best comparison.. but removing scoreboards from BF is like removing the actual scoreboard from sports games....

Literally just shows how good/bad your performance is and your team is doing. This is a MUST feature. And if you're questioning this important feature, lmao......
 

That1GoodHunter

My ass legally belongs to Ted Price
Member
Oct 17, 2019
10,863
Just throw it in the bin

There won't be a redemption arc for this game. There isn't a great gem hidden behind a bunch of muck, like with Battlefront 2 or Battlefield V. Start from scratch.
 

Swiggins

was promised a tag
Member
Apr 10, 2018
11,448
I think this game is second to Cyberpunk 2077 for biggest AAA launch fail. Catalogue of errors in every area.

By the time they fix everything, there might not be any players left to care.
Wait a minute...

Battlefield 2042

Fallout 2076

Cyberpunk 2077

I'm starting to see a pattern here...
 

Buzz

Member
Oct 28, 2017
311
How come EA/Dice never learn. They keep churning out unfinished multiplayer games. How is it that no one saw this coming at EA? Just baffling.
 

DoradoWinston

Member
Apr 9, 2019
6,122
Is it really a majority though, or is it reddit and twitter being loud? is it really a useful complaint or is it a snowball effect blowing it out of proportion considering the rest of the game's state?
not having a scoreboard is genuinely embarrassing.
like I actually would be emberassed in not having such a standard feature.

Dunno who's gonna buy the next DICE game tho. I ain't, thats for sure
I want to be there day one...but it really looks like Dice doesnt want me to be :(
I really hope the team (which is at this point pretty much new to the studio) really learns from this release and just goes heads down, fixes it up and carries on all that
experience into a BF title that actually deserves to be part of the same franchise in both quality and actual gameplay ie no operators....please for the love of god dont make the next one
a hero shooter.
 

regenhuber

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,213
In a game where kill people and get killed 90%+ of the time, wanting to see your K/D ratio on the scoreboard is just entitled gamers going crazy ok.

As far as the CP2077 comparisons go… BF2042 is a much much bigger fail.
It's not even close. DICE has made plenty of BF games before and had plenty of time to adjust to remote work. Covid isn't an excuse anymore in 2021-2022 software development.

All sympathy belongs to the people who spent their hard earned money on this trash game.
 

Rolodzeo

Member
Nov 10, 2017
3,482
Spain, EU
I have no interest in this game at all, but I have been kinda following the disaster its release has been up until now aaaaaaand... it's just incredible. Honestly, it's beyond explanation. I'm really looking forward to the What Happun? episode covering this mess.
 
Jul 26, 2018
2,386
Wait a minute...

Battlefield 2042

Fallout 2076

Cyberpunk 2077

I'm starting to see a pattern here...
hahahaha
I think this game is second to Cyberpunk 2077 for biggest AAA launch fail. Catalogue of errors in every area.

By the time they fix everything, there might not be any players left to care.
I think 2042 takes the cake for being the worse launch out of those 3 imo. This is coming from a guy who spent over $300 on Cyberpunk Collectors Edition and Battlefield 2042 Ultimate Edition..

Massive L I've taken for the past 2 years... :(
 
Jul 26, 2018
2,386
Whenever a Battlefield 2042 thread rolls around you can always expect the usual posters to be there. Lobster Roll and Serpens007 playing damage control for DICEs gameplay decisions while Nateo yearns for the DICE of old and craps on current leadership.
One of them and a few others thought my rant from the other thread was a copy pasta/joke...

That made me a bit triggered tbh.... ngl...