Assassin's Creed Odyssey combat is good enough.
Cultural thing... Japan doesn't have many shooters too (if any)
Cultural thing... Japan doesn't have many shooters too (if any)
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After Sony Santa Monica/Ninja Theory, which non-Japanese dev is the next best at melee combat?
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I think it's rooted in Japan's history with fighting games. Itsuno, the director of DMC3, DMC4 and DMC5 is a FG veteran. Platinum is made of Capcom alumni. So maybe there's something there.
I need Rahni Tucker and her team to make single player action adventure game.
Guardcrush... crushed it. Streets of Fury is awesome and Streets of Rage 4 is just sublime. *chef's kiss*
FWIW I find the bat really fun to use in TLOU2. But I also enjoy it in TLOU1.
Oh yeah, for sure. The melee in the first game is super satisfying. I wouldn't exactly include it in a "best melee combat" conversation, but if we're talking about "best melee in a shooter", then it's absolutely up there.
Right. Also has to do with how much each side experiments outside of their "comfort zones", in a way?
No one would argue that the west isn't far ahead when it comes to first person shooters, but what is the last japanese FPS you've played, right? They don't even try. If they put out as many FPS as the west puts out melee action games, the comparisons would likely be even less favorable.
Yeah I get that angle for sure. Hard to categorize lol. It's hard for me to think of it as a shooter though lol because I'm playing the first game through for the first serious time right now and I'm on survivor so guns get used as little as possible.
Hmm, you're right. I agree.
Action-stealth is a much better category for it. Action-horror would also fit when considering infected encounters, but it's not quite the aesthetic it's going for. The similarities have more to do with how much The Last of Us influenced The Evil Within than how much The Last of Us borrows from RE4.
You know I've never played The Evil Within. How does it balance shooting vs melee? Still not sure if I'd play it since like The Last of Us is about as far as I go with horror lmao, but I am curious and TEW2 is a gorgeous looking video game.
Satisfying melee combat is hard for developers in general, but yeah For Honor does a pretty good job, at least for one on one fights. Gets a little messy when there's a group fight. I think Spider-Man does a great job at incorporating a lot of fun tools and abilities to intersperse with your standard melee attack and counter, plus the level of vertical space sets it apart from regular open world action games.
The gameplay is not TEW or TEW2's strength, I'll put it that way. It doesn't get in the way like some horror games but it doesn't feel good either, especially because most of the boss fights are TERRIBLE.
It's a lot more about ambushing enemies, stealth take downs, traps and stuff. There's quite a bit of shooting, but much like in The Last of Us, you almost never want to just run into an encounter and start shooting.
It does go quite a bit further than The Last of Us with horror, and the game is not as polished either, so I wouldn't recommend to deal with something you don't like for it or anything. Especially the first game, it's really a homage to horror video games in many ways.
Comparing button mashing Arkham games with DmC combat is hilarious to say the least.
Ninja Theory is superior in every way possible in melee combat.
I did hear bad things about the bosses yeah :/
Alright. Well your description of the gameplay isn't a complete turn off. I didn't know there was a stealth component. Like assassinations and shit? Cuz that shit's really fun in TLOU.
In TEW2, most of the sections involving enemies essentially force you into stealth, yeah. Especially early in the game when you have very few tools, getting spotted by an enemy is Metal Gear Solid 1-level destructive - enemies just call for all their allies and swarm you and you get overwhelmed very quickly and either run away to regroup or die almost immediately.
You're kind of expected to avoid them, kill them with stealth takedowns, or utilize the environment to take them out without being located.
The problem is that some of the boss fights also rely on these stealth mechanics but allow the bosses to just randomly sense you as you sneak up on them, rendering the stealth takedowns more of a chore than a satisfying gameplay cycle.
Oh ew that sounds horrible. I can't think of an instance where someone made stealth work well for a boss fight.
The rest though actually sounds kinda cool though. Thanks.
Hellblade's combat was BAD and easily the worst part of that game so not sure why you think Ninja Theory do some of the best combat..
SSM, Rocksteady and Insomniac are up there, as well as Team Cherry.
SSM, Rocksteady and Insomniac are up there, as well as Team Cherry.
Darksiders 2 is the best western character action game in terms of combat. So probably airship syndicate or whatever they call themselves today
Hell naw, not from what we have seen so far
DmC definitive edition combat designer didn't work on hellblade. Folk did bleeding edge.
One of the boss battles seems like they were TRYING to approximate the amazing Mr. Freeze boss battle from the Arkham games but they just didn't have the time or the patience to make it work right. The boss has way too much health to fight head on with traditional weapons (I've tried, burned all of my ammo for every gun I had and he just wouldn't go down) so it's clearly TRYING to make you fight him in stealth but his awareness is just too keen and it's almost impossible to sneak up on him after the first or second takedown.
It was the part that made me ragequit the game. I was enjoying most of it up to that point but that fight was so unbelievably frustrating and the opposite of fun that I just completely gave up. Really close to the end too, from what I heard...
Hellblade's combat is a fairly common complaint about the game. I agree with you though, I think the main combat is solid and the mixture with the audio design really elevated it. I was honestly pretty wowed by how it played out.
Ninja Theory still made Hellblade regardless. Not played Bleeding Edge.
I thought Darksiders 3 had pretty good combat. I tend to stick to Japanese games for melee combat though.
Because they have other games with good combat maybe? They didn't just make ONE game
Why? I said it to make clear that I can't comment on the quality of the combat in that one. The artstyle still looks hideous.
Vigil does it well with the darksiders game
I can't count DmC since some japanese staff helped them with the combat which explains why no other Ninja Theory game has combat as good as DmC
I can't count DmC since some japanese staff helped them with the combat which explains why no other Ninja Theory game has combat as good as DmC
Also, the older God of War games while not as deep were super stylish and fun to play. Can't say I like the 2018 game that much though
Because you're judging without playing ing it yourself, which is basically what you said to someone else. Don't judge until you've actually tried it. And artstyle has nothing to do with how it plays. Infamous never looked good me but love the power mechanics. Whereas sotc remake looks amazing but I prefer the controls of the original
what boss would that be? I can only think of one boss that was maybe like that and it was in the first 3rd of the game
also my bad if I came off as somewhat confrontational, was typing in. A hurry
Perhaps not the combat you were thinking of, but Iron Galaxy did a pretty awesome job with Killer Instinct
Big Huge Games - Kingdom of Amular combat was really fun and satisfying even if it was too easy
Virgil - Darksiders 2 especially had some really awesome combat, fast paced
The collective - I never played Buffy but Indiana Jones combat was so fun it ruined Uncharted combat for me. the variety of weapons you can use as well (cracking people over the head with chairs)
Rocksteady - Batman combat even though it is much maligned on the internet, it's very fun, easy to get into and has good depth and enemy variety if only it had better bosses
Ubisoft Quebec - they pretty much copied arkham combat in syndicate but Odyssey surprised me, they need to tighten up the dodge windows and animations and it would be up there
Double Helix - Never played killer instinct but Strider is really fun combat
Motion Twin- dead cells has very satisfying combat
Team Cherry - Hollow Knight
Virgil - Darksiders 2 especially had some really awesome combat, fast paced
The collective - I never played Buffy but Indiana Jones combat was so fun it ruined Uncharted combat for me. the variety of weapons you can use as well (cracking people over the head with chairs)
Rocksteady - Batman combat even though it is much maligned on the internet, it's very fun, easy to get into and has good depth and enemy variety if only it had better bosses
Ubisoft Quebec - they pretty much copied arkham combat in syndicate but Odyssey surprised me, they need to tighten up the dodge windows and animations and it would be up there
Double Helix - Never played killer instinct but Strider is really fun combat
Motion Twin- dead cells has very satisfying combat
Team Cherry - Hollow Knight
DmC is far behind actual DMC, but it's still better than any QTE contextual animation combat. The only western action game with better melee combat than DmC I played is GoW2018, not even the previous entries had better combat.
Now for third place... Darksiders 2!
Now for third place... Darksiders 2!
Exactly,
if you divide it by parts, every part it is at least good.
but that combat is more than the sum of it's parts
It's a fairly common opinion that combat in Batman and TW3 isn't good.