I don't think his current gimmick has to do with any of it since it was Jericho that pretty much gave it to him since he was still doing the stupid panda thing when he initially joined them.
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AEW's Sammy Guevara on podcast from 2016: I wanted to rape Sasha Banks (UP: Suspended without pay...money will be donated to local women's center)
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I don't think his current gimmick has to do with any of it since it was Jericho that pretty much gave it to him since he was still doing the stupid panda thing when he initially joined them.
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What the massive fuck. I am so incredibly disappointed. If Sammy and Hager aren't fired i am done with AEW.
I love wrestling but for the same reason i stopped supporting WWE, i can't support AEW. In fact the reason why i fell in love with AEW is that they supported minorities, were LGBT friendly and so on.
I love wrestling but for the same reason i stopped supporting WWE, i can't support AEW. In fact the reason why i fell in love with AEW is that they supported minorities, were LGBT friendly and so on.
You won't be able to escape it, the wrestling industry is pretty toxic everywhere.
The host is Kevin Scampoli, a gigantic racist sexist MAGA chud. He's the guy the YouTube wrestling community universally loathes because he's such an enormous asshole.
Joey Ryan's penis parade from All in last year(I think that's what show it was)
In the carny wrestling business, he will he supported by his employers
He puts out an "apology" but also like this tweet
I was going to say this was just stupid juvenile humor and then that ending hit...
Some ppl in the replies are saying that like is photoshopped but you never know with these fanboys tbh
More power to Sasha for even having an open discussion with Sammy. If it was me on that side, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of hearing Sammy out...at least not now.
I don't think AEW will let Sammy go but I will say they will advise him to donate to some charity that helps out women, probably takes some sensitivity classes and of course some disciplinary action.
It's been almost 20 years since I was in college, but I had two separate male friend groups. Among one, this kind of talk was common, along with homophobia and racism. Misogyny was so prevelant so as not to be even considered "taboo" like the other two. I'd like to think I never participated (I was always mocked as "sensitive" and of course the pejorative "gay"), but that's likely not true.
I suppose this was before social media and in the AIM/ICQ days, but I think most of the guys had the self awareness to not talk like this in public. But it's going to slip out for some if that's how you authentically talk.
Abby Russell told a story on the Beastcast where some of her friends got in a golf foursome and the people they were partnered with just started using racist language. I remember growing up and people figuring each other out like "is it ok if I talk like a scumbag in front of this person. Is he cool?"
If you challenge someone on this kind of thing, you can get into one of those "you don't know what's in my heart" arguments. But it's like regardless just stop fucking spreading that shit and change your abusive language. The mental backflips that people will go through (haven't even brought up religion) just so they don't have to (1) admit they're wrong and apologize and (2) change your ways is limitless.
All that said, I've been diagnosed with social anxiety but been called highly sensitive and self aware by my therapists, yet autistic by others so I don't even know whether to trust my own insights.
Sorry I don't know why this sparked something in me.
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If he liked and then unliked the tweet really quickly it's possible the like was a mistake in the first place and he accidentally tapped it while scrolling through his replies. I think if he's in apology/damage control mode he wouldn't go out intentionally liking tweets like that unless he's the world's biggest dumbass.
that sounds like a stretch, i imagine he genuinely agreed with that tweet.
Suspended without pay.
I think it's a bigger stretch to think he intentionally publicly liked something that directly contradicts his own apology minutes before posting his apology
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GOOD that Sammy was suspended. Anyone would
Be instantly gone in any other job setting, your female co workers would lose respect for you instantly, the workplace would be a minefield. A suspension needed to happen, no more " apology accepted, now grow from this because im
A fan of yours." Fuck that , good on AEW. There is no defense for dropping " rape" so casually.
GOOD that Sammy was suspended. Anyone would
Be instantly gone in any other job setting, your female co workers would lose respect for you instantly, the workplace would be a minefield. A suspension needed to happen, no more " apology accepted, now grow from this because im
A fan of yours." Fuck that , good on AEW. There is no defense for dropping " rape" so casually.
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Ok, now I can put a face/sport with this trash. What is wrong with people like this? Why would you ever say that....no matter your age?
Ok, now I can put a face/sport with this trash. What is wrong with people like this? Why would you ever say that....no matter your age?
yea , again he casually dropped " I want to rape" when refereeing to a woman. Zero benefit of the doubt. Absolute piece of shit thing to do
Holy fuck, that is about as harsh as you can get without being fired. I feel bad that I'm shocked that they done this when this suspension should be the standard. His salary going to the Women's Center of Jacksonville is also good.
I figured he was going to get suspended. AEW ends up looking bad because 1) they didn't do their research before signing him and 2) Sammy never even disclosed to them what hurtful comments he said that will bite back at him and the company.
I'm sure he's not gonna get fired but yeah this was the best course of action AEW could have taken with this: suspend the guy and donate his pay to a charity.
I'm surprised but very happy to see this. I thought he'd do the apology and then try to move on.
This gives AEW the chance to investigate and find out if there are any other incidents that need to come to light before Sammy can be allowed back on TV.
If they find a pattern of comments or other actions then he'll be gone.
If nothing else comes out about Sammy and that podcast was the only thing, then I do think it is a reasonable thing to miss. If I were them though, I would immediately flag any past episodes of that asshole's podcast that anyone on the roster has been on to see what else is out there.
Something really bothered me about Sammy when one of his friends on his vlog is on camera wearing a "Hillary for prison " shirt right around the time Alonzo was rumored to be prank calling people telling them someone died.
these aren't the type of people anyone should surround themselves with. Then this comes out and, well, birds of a feather and all that. Why would anyone say that? Why even think it?
these aren't the type of people anyone should surround themselves with. Then this comes out and, well, birds of a feather and all that. Why would anyone say that? Why even think it?
Jesus. Those are disgusting comments. Surprised they suspended him, that's something
There's undoubtedly more out there. You don't say shit like this once
Dude was apparently 21 when he said he wanted to rape a woman and "your mom's black, so fuck her right". They should fire him.
There's undoubtedly more out there. You don't say shit like this once
Dude was apparently 21 when he said he wanted to rape a woman and "your mom's black, so fuck her right". They should fire him.
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He was one my favorite characters in AEW why would you even say something like that. Even if he's joking people will dig this shit up especially on a pod cast.
To me, even if he's joking it's not much better. People suicide over this type of shit.
let's please put his assholery into perspective, to remember the greater assholery in wrestling. just off the top of my head, this is an industry whose most well-known star, Hulk Hogan, was left practically unscathed by society at large after going on a racist tirade—and transformed the debate into his own successful lawsuit against Gawker.
I don't think Guevara should be excused. I also don't think the rest of the industry at large should be let off of any hook, or that Guevara should be prosecuted by wrestling fandom in a vacuum.
this shit runs deep throughout Western athletics, make no mistake.
I don't think Guevara should be excused. I also don't think the rest of the industry at large should be let off of any hook, or that Guevara should be prosecuted by wrestling fandom in a vacuum.
this shit runs deep throughout Western athletics, make no mistake.
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I remember this dude in the amateur wresting scene, Inspire Pro Wresting, in Austin Tx. He said the N-word on stage! This was a few years ago. Shit was fucked up.
I remember this dude in the amateur wresting scene, Inspire Pro Wresting, in Austin Tx. He said the N-word on stage! This was a few years ago. Shit was fucked up.
It's not just rape "jokes" with him, he's a racist piece of shit also
To be clear on the timeline of this, he liked the tweet in question hours before his apology, and unliked it shortly before posting his apology. Presumably after talking to Sasha Banks. It's extremely unlikely given that, that he hit it by accident.
why did I read the replies, I absolutely detest the majority of wrestling fans
People mature a lot in their twenties, AFAIK. Your brain hasn't finished fully developing until your mid to late twenties. As I said in the wrestling thread, 21 is plenty old enough to know better, and he should absolutely be held accountable for what he said espescially given that he hadn't previously talked about and apologized for comments like this, but if you think people are as mature as they're ever going to get at the age of 21, that just isn't the case.
If he didn't think anything of saying something like this on a podcast, there's going to be plenty of other crap out there.
If he didn't think anything of saying something like this on a podcast, there's going to be plenty of other crap out there.
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that's exactly why I referenced the racist tirades of Hulk Hogan. Guevara's 22-year-old self was likely saying hateful shit at events and in locker rooms...... as a lower-rung, non-veteran member of various promotions. you don't do that as a relative newbie and get away with it without a larger culture that fosters such assholery.
Ah, I was mistaken then, I thought he liked the tweet around the same time he posted the apology. In that case I doubt he's actually matured much.
He's a grown adult. I'm not saying people don't change or that he hasn't or won't. There should be consequences, and thankfully, there at least have been some.
Where did I ever say or suggest that people are as mature as they're ever going to get at that age? What are you reading?
Talking about brain development is irrelevant here. No excuses for racism and misogyny.
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Nowhere.
Apologies if you felt like I was putting words in your mouth. That was more of an aside. I should probably have put that bit before the quote and just left the bit agreeing with you on there almost certainly being more stuff out there after it. I'll edit the post to hopefully clarify.
Bringing up brain development at all is an excuse for this, whether that was your intention or not. It's a bad look.