Aight. Going to buy Affinity and start learning it tomorrow then. I'm cool with learning new software. I already pay you monthly for illustrator and Indesign, Adobe. You don't need anymore of my dollars.
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Adobe wants to milk you even more
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I'm so tired of this Adobe $20/1TB plan thing. It's been coming up repeatedly over the last 6-8 months, and the death of the $10 plan is always immediately debunked. I'm more than a little sure the photography rumor blogs are somehow coordinating on this, as they immediately link to other products like Luminar, Affinity, and Capture One with referral codes the moment the story breaks for the umpteenth time.
Wake me up when Adobe ACTUALLY GETS RID of the $10 a month plan. I can tell you, even as a lowly hobbyist, the LR/PS bundle for $10/month is a STEAL for me personally. PS had been relegated to the full Creative Cloud suite which was hundreds of bucks a year previously.
Wake me up when Adobe ACTUALLY GETS RID of the $10 a month plan. I can tell you, even as a lowly hobbyist, the LR/PS bundle for $10/month is a STEAL for me personally. PS had been relegated to the full Creative Cloud suite which was hundreds of bucks a year previously.
I think someone posted in here that the rumor is PS for iPad will be announced (or the release date at least) on May 9th.
If they don't change the plans at that point I don't see it happening. I wouldn't surprised with your first point about photoblogs using this to score referrals.
I'm confused here. If you pay them monthly for Illustrator and InDesign, then you're paying ~$42 a month because they don't have a bundle with both of those apps as far as I'm aware. So...if that's the case, why not just upgrade to the full suite for just $10 more?
This I can kind of agree with, in that it would be great if Adobe offered something similar to skillshare where in users paid an amount of money to get classes for the Creative Cloud which included access to the software for the duration of the course.
I'm extremely doubtful that Photoshop on iPad will have a solid release date announced next week. Maybe a release target (i.e. Q3 2019), but a hard date...I don't see it. I'm in the pre-release program for both Photoshop and Project Gemini, and that's all I can say about that.
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*Cries in Adobe CC*
I really wish Adobe would parse out plans based on what you need. $10 a month for just Photoshop and add like $5 for each additional program you need. I hate paying so much when I really only use 1-2 programs in general everyday use but then i need maybe 4 max.
I really wish Adobe would parse out plans based on what you need. $10 a month for just Photoshop and add like $5 for each additional program you need. I hate paying so much when I really only use 1-2 programs in general everyday use but then i need maybe 4 max.
If that were the case, then the 4 max programs would cost you $40 a month, in which case you could just upgrade to the full plan for an additional $12 and a lot more creative / business potential. The full CC suite is a really big value.
Because I'd rather pay the one time charge for Affinity then fork over ten more dollars to Adobe. To boot, I may start looking for alternatives for Indesign as well just to save more money.
They call it the free market, but I guess that's because we're the ones who have to pay for it
I used On1 for a while but ended up with darktable because I'm not sure wth I was paying for. darktable does what I need it to do for the most part and is free. When my camera's auto denoise profile wasn't supported initially, I just created one following their process and uploaded to their database. The same could be done with lenses.
Anyhow, every program treats pixel pipeline differently (i.e. clarity in LR may not be exactly the same as clarity in other program) so even if you export all the sidecards from Lightroom, other programs will either only support a subset of it during import or the result won't be exactly the same as it is in Lightroom. The 100% way to preserve what you did in LR is to export everything out as TIF or something lossless and use that as the new base for whatever the new program you decide to move to.
I am keeping my LR6 around for the work I have already done. Speaking of which, MAP module stopped working in that thing because Adobe's google map key expired. You would need to hack it to get it working again.
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Okay so are you using these professionally or as a hobby? I'm just trying to understand why you're forking over nearly the cost of the entire Creative Cloud for two apps, and asking for a piece meal system that would literally cost more than the entire CC subscription does at present. Like, if you're using these things professionally to make money, there is zero sense in paying for Illustrator and InDesign separately, because you get considerably increased productivity and capability in purchasing the entire suite for just $12 more.
If you're creating documents in InDesign for a client, then the CC allows you to send them digital proofs via Adobe Document Cloud where they can comment and review without having to download any Software, and you have the ability to manipulate photos as needed (converting to RGB, CMYK, etc)...I guess I just need clarification on what you personally use those apps for, because it sounds a lot like you're paying more money for less functionality, when $12 would net you considerably more efficiency as well potential profitability.
I'm all for hobbyists saving money and using alternative programs, I think that's a great solution to still have your creative outlet. It just doesn't sound like you're in this as a hobby (not many hobbies revolve around editorial layout or vector illustration) so I'm trying to piece together your situation.
Get the student discount, is super easy and straightforward to get, it will cost you $20 monthly the first year, and $30 after that, but gives you access to the whole suite, and also don't underestimate that also you get access to thousands of fonts and tutorials
What the fuck is this?
"It's already more than I'd like to spend, if they raise the price I'm going to look for alternatives."
WHY NOT sPenD EveN mORE MOneY? iT'S bEttEr VaLUE!!
I don't know if it's a complete lack of self awareness on your part, but this is how you come across any time the Adobe subscriptions are brought up on this forum:
Is your real job being an Adobe sales person?
Yep.
I use Illustrator, Photoshop, and After Effects. No way I'm subbing. CC 2014 still going very strong on my 2015 iMac.
Other than AE rendering speed chugging :X
Is your real hobby being a dick on the internet?
I mean you cherry picked a lot of my posts, ignored where I said "I encourage hobbyists to find alternatives" and said that professionals shouldn't be paying for programs ala carte because it's really expensive. My bad?
I'm a full time graphic designer who built a career from literally scratch (college drop out [not by choice], no degree). So when I see other people saying they're spending $40 a month on two programs, I'm trying to encourage them to take advantage of the full suite, especially if they say they're scrapping by. There's a shit ton of money to be made out there in the design world, so if you're a professional designer (or aspiring) it makes complete sense to jump into the full suite and start learning it all. Especially at a time when literally every professional design job damn near requires you to be proficient in the entire suite (at a minimum every job I apply for asks for experience with Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, After Effects and Premiere). No one is hiring a "photoshop expert".
So why don't you maybe take a chill pill and relax before you decide to jump in someone's shit like a fucking doofus. I'm literally just offering professional advice to people who seem to apparently be professionals or aspiring professionals. The industry has changed and designers absolutely need to be multifaceted, so getting one or two programs doesn't make any sense for professionals.
Go elsewhere if you want to accuse people of astroturfing or being a shill. I'm just trying to have a discussion with people who seem to have their head in the wrong space if they want to be in the design world. No corporations or creative agencies are hiring people with "Affinity Designer experience". Those are hobbyist tools (and that's fine).
Yep, I was grinding on the student discount all through college. I've been out for 2 years now, and late last year they were like "oh we bet you have LOTS of money around after graduating" and bumped me all the way up to the $50 some a year.
I mean, I love Adobe's stuff, but the price per year is kind of sickening to me.
A hobby, but I am looking to move from my current profession to UI design. I've been learning how to use illustrator, indesign, XD, and photoshop for about four months now and once I have my portfolio done, I'll make that leap. And yeah I hear you; literally every designer I spoke to suggested I learn as much as I can in the adobe suite.
I just would like to see how Affinity measures up. If it ends up being worth while, I'll save some money. If not, I'll switch back.
I know Sketch has a free trial, and I think InVision Studio is still free.
I use Affinity Designer on my iPad and it's really fantastic, especially considering the price. It allows me to sketch up in Procreate, move over to Affinity, and then make my final changes in Illustrator before I deliver to a client. Having a mobile work flow is incredible.
Do you tune into the Adobe XD live streams? They have a ton of industry professionals on really regularly who are doing design specifically between Illustrator and XD, and seeing their workflow & tips is really enlightening. I'm trying to break into UI / UX design myself, but I know so little and have so little experience in that particular field, it's pretty tough.
I'd definitely recommend Affinity Designer as a cheap alternative in the mean time. I'm not sure how experienced you are, but the pen tool is effectively the exact same, so getting used to manipulating those bezier curves is clutch. You should jump into the Graphic Design thread if you aren't already following it so you can keep us posted or ask for some portfolio reviews. They're incredibly helpful.
Oh god, I hate the pen tool. Like really, really, hate it. hah. I do need to get better at it though, so I'm glad it'll at least be same. And no, I don't look at the live streams. But I will definitely start... I just need to make the time for it.
And I am new to the field, so I'll be starting at the bottom again but that's okay. I spend a good amount time after work sketching wireframes and putting together art boards that I think it can be worth the look. I wouldn't be doing this if I couldn't prove to myself that I have a passion for it and I just don't have the same passion with what I am doing now.
You'll love this resource, it can help quite a bit for mastering the pen tool (and it's kind of fun): https://bezier.method.ac/
Adobe's Creative Cloud YouTube channel, or via Behance.net/live (I usually watch through YouTube, but I believe they only take questions through the Behance chat).
This is their general Creative Cloud channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/AdobeCreativeCloud
For Character Animator, I'd follow Okay Samurai, he's the "face" of the program and has a TON of resources on his YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/okaysamurai/videos
Good luck!
It's my pleasure. Really, I was in your exact same shoes 4 years ago, for the most part. With some time & hunger for knowledge, learning most of the Creative Cloud is fucking easy (mostly because all of the resources you need to do so are readily available online for free). The "creative" part is what's really hard, haha. Utilizing the software though, that just takes time. Again, good luck, and feel free to reach out if you ever need some more resources or something similar. I can't promise I can help, but I can probably help find what you need.
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Time to pirate, already gonna torrent Maya when my student trial runs out
Subscriptions are evil so i actually view doing this as morally good, its like robin hood or some shit
Subscriptions are evil so i actually view doing this as morally good, its like robin hood or some shit
Oh I will if I have any other questions. Like seriously, you just cleared my Sunday afternoon. I am going to be spending hours on this. And I will be posting my portfolio once I am done in the graphics thread. I just need to figure out what I am going to put in it first. Thanks again.
I used to use Jasc PSP to make sports wallpapers back in the early 2000s. All my friends were on Photoshop, but there I was on PSP trying to keep up. Fun times.
Yes, Robin Hood. He who stole from the rich, and kept for his own personal gain.
Maybe if you can't afford it or don't make money on it, instead of stealing, just get a cheaper or free alternative. There are plenty available. You know, as an alternative to publicly announcing to everyone that you're engaging in illegal behavior. :P
Blender might be a good start.
I know you mean Paint Shop, but you just made me nostalgic lol, I started, hmmm, using "alternative" methods to get Photoshop back in 2007 just because I wanted to make my own wallpapers for the PSP, I got frustrated for months because I had no idea what I was doing but eventually learned
Their software improvements are okay at best and honestly there are TIERS to professional artists and users. The vast majority of highly talented, professional , artists and photographers only use a good 15% of what Photoshop offers for 90% of the work. This includes companies where they hire Illustrators and Graphic Designers to simply be really good at Paint, Lasso, Clone and Pen tools.
Very few artists and studios comparatively are the ride or die Adobe Suite users and you know that.
Adobe credits its household name and brand power on the backs of single users and simple companies passing the word around.
The fact that the price hikes are causing increasing anger and controversy is clear that Adobe doesnt do nearly enough for the Cloud money their users are paying. Plugging your ears and dismissing this as hobbyists and low tier ramen artists not wanting to 'pay a fair price'is typical of the average Adobe die-hard.
Maybe they should save that money to actually make features and improvements the average user gives a shit about instead of buying up companies to gut and kill 2 years later.
Not sure about what you mean by horizontal flipping, cos PS can also flip canvas regardless of size? I just put a shortcut on flipping canvas horizontally.
Multi layer transformation: hmmm u mean reducing sizes of stuffs in different layers? PS can also do that, just select multiple layer and transform, so im not quite sure of what you mean.
Perspective rulers: I really seldom use this, but I know PS has perspective grid/ruler feature too, except I've only seen people do it, so can't comment on it.
Screen tone controls: CSP is definitely better in this since it's geared specifically to making comics, but in PS you can always apply layer adjustment texture to an area, and the size/opacity/placement of the screen-tone(texture) can always be adjusted later. CSP provides default screentones, for PS you have to get them yourself.
Automatic panel masks: its layer shapes(masks) on a group. PS perhaps need a little more steps for adjusments, but i don't really see a problem with it since it offers more adjustments options and also if making comic, one usually don't edit their shapes that much once the drawing is laid down. But subjectively, CSP can be considered slightly better in this.
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On point, I'm so annoyed by many of the stupid reasons people gives on why Adobe shouldn't be increasing prices.
"Adobe is big corporation, so they don't need to think about profits!" like wth?!
"I don't make money out of Adobe products, so they shouldn't charge more!" like wth?! that's not Adobe's problem
"90%(or whatever percentages) of user don't pay for Adobe after all!, Now they are even going to be less ppl paying!" BS statistics from themselves. The ppl who don't pay won't pay and won't care.
"Bye Adobe, now going for this (cheaper alt) software, nobody will use Adobe anymore!" At this stage, not gonna happen, you can use whatever software as hobbyist, as a pro, ppl or companies will demand that you learn/use Adobe because it is still the best tool out there.
There's more, but you get the gist.
Adobe should certainly make it's software more accessible and cheaper from a consumer point of view, but hey, price are always a subjective issue. But the arguments some ppl make it here are really ridiculous.
Is there a better option there for Lightroom like software.
I don't want to keep supporting Adobe but Lightroom makes photoshoot editing easy when it comes to white balancing, color toning and lens calibration.
I don't want to keep supporting Adobe but Lightroom makes photoshoot editing easy when it comes to white balancing, color toning and lens calibration.
There was a post a blogger made a few months ago about all the various better (and most times free) alternative programs to use instead of Adobe Creative Suite. I really wish I'd screencapped the post because the blog is gone.
The recommended alternative usually seems to be Capture One Pro.
Honestly this makes sense. It was always weird ONE CC product subscription was $20 yet you get 2 here for $10.
That being said I don't think Adobe has given a shit about their software quality in years so it's a good thing their pricing model has shifted in a way that pushes more people towards other products. Hopefully Adobe will start to step up their game soon.
That being said I don't think Adobe has given a shit about their software quality in years so it's a good thing their pricing model has shifted in a way that pushes more people towards other products. Hopefully Adobe will start to step up their game soon.
The reason was because for all intents and purposes Lightroom was just a software template over Photoshop. It just did a few things photoshop did but had the ability to do it to multiple files at once and acted as a library.
I dunno. I felt that throwing in Lightroom in the CC was a fucked up greedy move because it's truly a separate project; its about file management as much as photo editing and doesnt fit the CC ecosystem at all. While I think its fucking bullshit to be paying a monthly fee in the first place, I have a feeling much of the pure Lightroom audience doesn't need PS and if the pull this move, they should do that.
They've gone from a 'hookup' to basically forcing you to buy a bundle
Not sure I understand. Lightroom + Photoshop together is now the price of _one_ CC program- and you can opt for only one of them at half price. This makes a lot more sense with their other CC pricing in mind. Does it suck to raise the price with no additional features? Sure. But I'm honestly surprised it didn't start out this way or wasn't changed a lot earlier.
Like deimosmasque mentioned above it for hardcore users of Lightroom PS was a nice bonus, but really just a bonus because most users who ordered the Lightroom package just needed Lightroom.
So you're effectively forcing them to buy two pieces of software now. I never used Photoshop for my photos because Lightroom had everything I had. Now you're charging me twice for it because you wont let be order it without PS