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Adam Silver rejected China's demand to fire Daryl Morey
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It never left.
General owners are independent of the nba and most of them will kneel to China.
With the NBA it was never cut and dry. You have to identify pro China stans like Lebron from the pro freedom believers like Morey.
Fuck Lebron.
Also I don't see how the Chinese Lebron names are racist, unless there's some sort of historical context I'm missing.
Y'all make Juan/One jokes all the time and I've yet to see any claims of racism then
Edit: Just to be clear, I wasn't deciding on this post that it wasn't racist and I'm not going to decide what terms are offensive for any other minority group other than my own. Was just saying I didn't see it, and I'm willing to own up to being obtuse
Also I don't see how the Chinese Lebron names are racist, unless there's some sort of historical context I'm missing.
Y'all make Juan/One jokes all the time and I've yet to see any claims of racism then
Edit: Just to be clear, I wasn't deciding on this post that it wasn't racist and I'm not going to decide what terms are offensive for any other minority group other than my own. Was just saying I didn't see it, and I'm willing to own up to being obtuse
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Thanks for telling us Asians what is and what isn't racist.
Don't dismiss other people's claims cause you don't want to report or call people out for other racist shit.
I don't really care about the NBA or anything, but.... Good. It would have been disturbing if the NBA had capitulated to a foreign brutal totalitarian state over this.
Good for Silver. Now exactly 2 people who work for the NBA have a spine and none of them play the game.
That's the ones Im looking at. There's an entire thread about that sort of attitude regarding the Asian members of ERA and how this sort of stuff is hurting them.
Like I agree that lebron James needs to shut up and not be a Scrooge, but the comments here. Yikes!
Interesting read. Let's see if Morey sticks around.
In any case, it's a relief that the NBA didn't give in to China's demands - at least publicly/officially. Because elsewhere in the world, there are too many powers that be who toss aside sense and principles and sell out. I didn't expect this from Adam Silver. I'm not saying he was upholding some lofty morals here. But just affirming the prerogative of the NBA to make its own management decisions at the cost of losing all that money: I'm impressed.
hey man, yen isn't the currency of China.
Not wrong about choosing money over human lives? Fuck that stupid sentiment.
Just to be clear, I wasn't deciding that it wasn't racist and I'm not going to decide what terms are offensive for any other minority group other than my own. Was just saying I didn't see it, and I'm willing to own up to being obtuse
LeBron isn't sacrificing human lives to be fair. Morey's tweet didn't save anyone in HK.
Don't worry, not even every Asians have the same taste for humor. I am Asian and if He wants to bow in China in Qing Dynasty style, then he deserve to be called just that.
I disagree. Morey fucked up, plain and simple.
I may have phrased it wrong. Money is symptomatic of the problem.
He didn't say this. No one said this. Morey didn't think about the ramifications of that tweet. At the end of the day he runs a business. He fucked his business. No one is going to out right say it because of how it would look but I guarantee no one in the league is pleased about that tweet. I support the right to say it, and I agree with the sentiment. I, in his position wouldn't have said it. PR exists for a reason. I 100% support the NBA just saying fuck China. Still given that people's lives are wrapped up in it, a discussion between ownership and players needed to occur. You can't just say what you want to or feel in that type of position. Regardless of how you feel you represent an organization of multiple people. LeBron again should've kept his mouth shut, but I'm not gonna pretend I don't get it and that he's necessarily wrong. He isn't. This is about more than money imo.
Best way to put it is that the choice of words comes off as the same as me, a white person, using some ebonics like language to describe him or the word Boy, which can carry some big negative connotations for blacks here in the states.
The Juan thing can be shitty too, especially if it's being used to act like someone is lower than you.
I get the point of seeing him bowing to a dynasty, but it can also carry some f'd up connotations in there. Hell one could argue that the next step would be some asshole on another site saying that he's being put in his place by Silver, or that hes bowing to his masters.
And I even feel gross just thinking this because you know some alt rights ass is probably thinking the same thing.
For a government that likes to piss and moan endlessly about foreign interference the CCP should like to do it.
Maybe they need to get in touch with the very little things and some careful thought.
Maybe they need to get in touch with the very little things and some careful thought.
User Banned (permanent): racism, prior severe infraction
To be fair, if your little bitch wants to be Chinese, it's racially insensitive to nickname it anything other than Chinese-related. You just have to respect its choice, pet or not. Else, emotionally and spiritually many hurt... :( Poor puppy.
I wonder what Stern's NBA would do lol
it's still fuck David Stern and his dumbass basketball reasons
I've honestly been wondering where the line is when it comes to puns and jokes.
All the playing on words you're seeing on Lebron's name referencing historic Chinese people, places, dynasties etc. Or altering/ blending images of Mao and their current president w Lebron's face, that cartoon comic posted where he is dressed as a Chinese soldier in Tiananmen Square...
I tried to think for example for me*, if Lebron shilled for Mexico and people came with
"LeJuan James" , " Pancho James" , made images of Lebron's face with a sombrero and mustache , etc. I personally wouldn't care, I would get it, but I would not question at all someone taking offense to it .
I think it's just too serious a topic to risk derailing discussion with jokes that are tacky at best , racist at worst.
But yea, is all of that above considered inherently racist? Actually asking , not " just asking questions"
* I am Mexican which is why I chose this example.
i don't think the image i posted of Lebron as Mao would be insensitive as the word play names
This implying Asians can't have anything but Asian names but go on with your trying to rationalize your shit behavior.
*Meant to quote ThousandEyes*
Yea that's why I'm asking where exactly the line crossing into racism is, political cartoons especially do that sort of thing all the time
Yea that's why I'm asking where exactly the line crossing into racism is, political cartoons especially do that sort of thing all the time
I'm not sure where the line is either with the nicknames and graphics. But below is where the line gets sharp and clear:
Using broken English to mock Chinese. Unequivocally racist. And casts light on the motivation of some who really really really want to use those nicknames.
edit: I'm aware of Lebron saying that people could've been harmed "physically, emotionally, spiritually." It's fair game for mockery. But twisting the syntax and grammar to sound like broken English - as a weak attempt to imitate accented English - is foul.
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Many countries and territories integrate polarization as part of the story of its identity... the enemy if you will is but perception. Things are just getting worse as everything becomes fueled by groupthink memes and black and white antagonization on both sides: East vs West, Democrats vs Republicans, America vs China. Yet reality is not so simple, and is in a way much more humorous than memes.
The words Qing and Ching are one the acceptable possible origins of the racial slur, "chink", and seeing that posted here, and given the recent events and Era's increasing anti Asian posts, just rubs me the wrong way.
I hope journalists and fans continue to ask questions about HK and China. It's easy to dunk on Donald Trump, but it's hypocritical to be ok with Chinese money.
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It's fine if you want to criticize LeBron or the Chinese government, but doing so using racist jokes, tropes, and language is, and always has been, totally unacceptable. Anyone doing so will be actioned severely.
He deleted the tweet because he was getting brigaded, threatened, and harassed by pro-Chinese government accounts to the tune of two per second.
He's the only fucking person in the entire league who has said anything pro Hong Kong, there is no such thing as too much credit where this is concerned.
It's hilarious you call him a coward when literally everyone in his business is dead silent and pissed off at him for what he tweeted. The people you claim are dealing with the fallout are the cowards.
I'm not going to give him that much credit. Rockets ownership is waiting Morey to sneeze in the wrong direction as an excuse to fire him.
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Yeah it's making me side eye a lot here. Wonder if the posters that are saying these things would be a okay with jokes based on James nationality.
I get cheering that he got shot down. but seriously yikes.
Yeah it's making me side eye a lot here. Wonder if the posters that are saying these things would be a okay with jokes based on James nationality.
I get cheering that he got shot down. but seriously yikes.
Good faith question: Why is posting pictures making LeBron look like a Chinese military member, or look like Mao not racist mocking, but making his name resemble Chinese names is racist mocking? They both don't seem to be trying to mock how Chinese people look (the pictures) or how they sound (the names.)
It's racist to use the currency in someones name to criticize them? lol
It's not. LeBron sold out and the moniker is apropos.
Would we have an issue with Donald Trum₽ or Rubli Giuliani?
I'm Chinese American and I don't find any of those Lebron Jokes racist ... but *shrug* whatever dude.
Glad he stood up against the assholes at home (Lebron) and the ones aboard(China) that wanted the NBA to bend to the Chinese will.
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Just so the mods are aware, Chinese currency is called Yuan, hence Chinese money + Lebron. I don't think it was meant to be a joke based on "lol, Chinese name".
Though with all the thinly veiled racism going on, I can see why the joke may be considered problematic.
I didn't say all Asians so no worries I was not speaking for you so whatever dude.
I mean really. Everyone giving NBA credit but a cartoon did it first and probably shamed them into it.
This right here is why we'll never get proper LGBTQ+ protections in america.
"This is a business, and we have to cater to the centrist attitudes or else we'll lose money, and it's not really up to us if these people continue to be marginalized".
This is why we are fucked for the foreseeable future.
Or Franc-N-Stein. But seriously, as someone who is Asian, I wouldn't mind someone explaining to me how "LeYuan James" is anything other than a really funny and timely joke. Who is reading that and feeling hated?