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Adam Silver rejected China's demand to fire Daryl Morey
- Thread starter Squarehard
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I think there is a good chance that would have happened even without this debacle.
The Russ trade was kind of a Hail Mary for them...maybe you cracked the case, Morey orchestrated this whole thing so that he can't get fired at the end of the year without it looking like China's fault. I knew Morey was smart but this is next level lol.
I want to agree but every other international business is bowing to the dollar.
I don't think he deserves praise. I think the NBA is protecting their interest. If they fire someone for an innocuous comment about HK they'd have the US government up their ass, and none of the owners would want that. At the end of the day, they're still a US company and I really don't think they'd want that sort of attention.
Yeah, but he didn't have to go the extra mile and say "We won't even discipline him." When they're demanding he be fired and Silver is like, that's not happening and in fact we're not even going to slap his wrists, that's tantamount to saying, "Fuck you, China." At least that's how I'm reading it.
Still might be a calculated business decision, but it's a pretty firm stance.
The fact that silver told them there is no chance in anything happening even discipline action makes me so damn glad.
thank you Adam silver, you understand that you have a platform that stands for freedom of speech
thank you Adam silver, you understand that you have a platform that stands for freedom of speech
Yay...I guess? No shit you don't fire or punish someone for making that tweet. They'll find a way to blackball him anyway like they did Craig Hodges back in the day.
/golfclap
Privately almost everyone in the NBA is backing him. There are reports that the NBA is overwhelming in the "fuck Morey" camp.
LeBron was in a meeting and asked Silver to punish Morey. Then they held a players meeting where the players, led by LeBron, agreed to all say silent. They're toeing the line over money, not because they were told to do so.
/golfclap
Privately almost everyone in the NBA is backing him. There are reports that the NBA is overwhelming in the "fuck Morey" camp.
LeBron was in a meeting and asked Silver to punish Morey. Then they held a players meeting where the players, led by LeBron, agreed to all say silent. They're toeing the line over money, not because they were told to do so.
Hahahahaha. Companies are doing shit like this all the time and the US government doesn't give a flying fuck.
Maybe Morey gets fired and files a civil lawsuit in whatever jurisdiction his contract allows or more likely confidential binding arbitration. Maybe he doesn't lose the counterclaim showing the loss of millions in revenue due to his actions.
The NBA took a massive hit in their biggest overseas market backing Morey and they should be praised for it. More companies need to do the same.
We don't have a team in St Louis so I've always just wanted to watch Lebron lose. Can I hop on the Pelicans bandwagon? I feel like I should support someone willing to lose money for human rights advancement.
So LeBron and Silver both did it for the money despite having different outcomes?
Amazing
Amazing
They do though. They get triggered very easily and are extremely paranoid. China cares too much.
this is a really bad look for Lebron. Even the most gracious interpretation of his reasoning as him not explicitly calling for Morey's disciplining falls apart after you read everything in context a few times.
seriously not doing himself any favors
I've never been a fan of LeBron (I was a fan of Carmelo since he played college ball here) but what the fuck is he thinking?
Outside of naming China directly, this was the only outcome Silver could do. Fire him and lawsuits begin. NBA will take a hit in the US, but also every other market that isn't a fan of China. In a year or so, Morey is gone. I wouldn't be surprised if they've worked something out with China already to prevent it from happening again and his wording is very clear he supports Morey to say what he wants, not that he supports Hong Kong. Nor do I think the NBA likes being told to fire owners, GM, etc based upon what they say on twitter by the players. I'm sure all the rest of the Owners are looking for excuses to remove his ass anyways. NBA comes out looking strong in the US, this flies over in China in a bit with no more incidents occurring and matters go back to normal. China probably doesn't want to lose the money either of what the NBA brings in. In the end, money still wins.
Basically the only real loser going forward is going to be LeBron's dumbass. Because it now discredits every past action as was he doing it for the money or because he believed in the cause. Dude should have stopped after the first comment and realized he was going in the wrong direction.
Basically the only real loser going forward is going to be LeBron's dumbass. Because it now discredits every past action as was he doing it for the money or because he believed in the cause. Dude should have stopped after the first comment and realized he was going in the wrong direction.
OH SHIT!!!!
WHAT THE FUCK LEBRON!?!?!?!?! please tell this is fake!!!!
China is a multibillion dollar market if you think he's not at risk you're insane or naive. If that statement doesn't go over well with the ownership then he and morey would be gone but lunch. He's easily risking his job by standing by morey.
"I don't know where we go from here. The financial consequences have been and may continue to be fairly dramatic."
I'd like to talk about this for a bit.
What do you all think this will mean for the next CBA? Is it safe to assume that the size of contracts that have been tendered over the last off-season (the super-maxes) are going to actually come down when negotiations come back around? I would have to assume that negotiations are, in part, based on current and future growth trajectories and associated income to the league and I would think that China was envisioned to be a massive part of that growth. Well for now they aren't and those numbers go with them.
If China can not be counted on as a reliable new pillar for the NBA to be grown atop (and how can you count on growth that can be taken away with the slightest offense???), then all those financial forecasts are going to have to change. No? There's no way around that, I don't think.
I'd like to talk about this for a bit.
What do you all think this will mean for the next CBA? Is it safe to assume that the size of contracts that have been tendered over the last off-season (the super-maxes) are going to actually come down when negotiations come back around? I would have to assume that negotiations are, in part, based on current and future growth trajectories and associated income to the league and I would think that China was envisioned to be a massive part of that growth. Well for now they aren't and those numbers go with them.
If China can not be counted on as a reliable new pillar for the NBA to be grown atop (and how can you count on growth that can be taken away with the slightest offense???), then all those financial forecasts are going to have to change. No? There's no way around that, I don't think.
Good on Silver. At the same time LeBron isn't wrong. Best believe if I lost a 7 figure payday over a tweet I'd be mad too.
I think LeBron cemented his reaction based on emotion in the heat of the moment, and now he's trying to back it up intellectually, which is usually a bad idea.
I can see how you're on an overseas trip to the other side of the world, doing your job (as fun as their job is), traveling with your brothers, and the moment you land, you find out that some guy back home in the comfort of his office fired off a tweet that took him 2 seconds but that has flipped your whole trip upside down. Yes, it is about freedom and about democracy, but in that moment, the emotion is one of betrayal and separation -- someone else has decided that this trip is about to become much more tense and more difficult for you. I think everyone can understand this emotion.
Where LeBron went wrong is taking this emotion and then reverse-justifying a stance that Morey was wrong to speak out. He should realize that this is a big issue, bigger than any one man and team, and probably requires some emotional and physical distance to speak about.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but while I think he's wrong, I'm not about to claim that he values his personal finances more than other people's freedom. I think he's making a bad mistake that looks even worse considering the standard that he's set for himself as a human being.
I can see how you're on an overseas trip to the other side of the world, doing your job (as fun as their job is), traveling with your brothers, and the moment you land, you find out that some guy back home in the comfort of his office fired off a tweet that took him 2 seconds but that has flipped your whole trip upside down. Yes, it is about freedom and about democracy, but in that moment, the emotion is one of betrayal and separation -- someone else has decided that this trip is about to become much more tense and more difficult for you. I think everyone can understand this emotion.
Where LeBron went wrong is taking this emotion and then reverse-justifying a stance that Morey was wrong to speak out. He should realize that this is a big issue, bigger than any one man and team, and probably requires some emotional and physical distance to speak about.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but while I think he's wrong, I'm not about to claim that he values his personal finances more than other people's freedom. I think he's making a bad mistake that looks even worse considering the standard that he's set for himself as a human being.
But it hurts me spiritually and emotionally
tbh, for the next CBA, I wonder if they're just gonna get rid of the super max. It doesn't seem like players are willing to really stay for it outside of a handful and with the possibility of the cap decreasing with the shakiness of China, I guess it's possible that maxes and overall salaries go back down?
giannis still gonna get paid 50mil/year tho lmao
There's reports suggesting that players across the league are siding with Lebron behind closed doors and are upset with Morey
Edit: They aren't necessarily siding with Lebron but according to Ethan Strauss the atmosphere is very Anti-Morey
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Wait, you think Silver decided this unilaterally without at least checking with the owners?
Please don't do this guys.
Not surprising. Imagine someone at your job saying something that pisses off a client and then your salary suddenly gets cut by 20-30%. I have no problem with what Morey said, but given the personal relationship that the Rockets of all teams has with China, he probably should've seen this coming. Either that or he thought he was logged in to an alt account and wasn't. Oops.
User Banned (permanent): racism, prior severe infraction
Yikes, that's embarrassing. I meant 'Qing James,' not 'Qing Lebron.' Qing Lebron makes no sense.
Christ, guys! Knock it off with the racial mocking! You can tell Lebron to fuck himself without using incinderary terms like this. Your sounding like the assholes who were using racial slurs against Kaepernick. seriously I thought Era was better than this bullshit.
