its like reality versus ideals. and reality is racism and supremacy are the lead paint that covers everything.
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Actually.... What Pelosi said wasn't acceptable. Here's why you missed it...
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not to mention a proud italian american! who are these darn bernie bros going to
It's a little weak to be used as an umbrella term for BLM related protests I agree. But it's not like she's saying there are no justifiable grievances. Is it really a loaded term? Again I could be missing something.
and i see a little silhouette of a man. not particularly interested if you think the criticism is constructive or who you count to be opportunists in the discussion based on your previous comments. how do you know who is pretending to care about civil rights? Calling her words into question, in the face of her record isn't allowable, according to you.
"opportunists"
oh yeah lets strike while the iron is wet.
Kristen Gillibrand and Kamala Harris. Hope you like white male presidential nominees because we're gonna have 2 of em!
But you are just isolating 'past grievances'... she's saying we need to right the wrongs that got us here.
Black lives only matter is long as it's not inconvenient to white people. Think back a few years ago to the what I believe was Eric Garner execution in New York. Lots of media and politicians recognized the injustice of situation and seemed to understand black anger. Things changed rapidly when two Police officers were killed shortly afterwards. All of a sudden black people were not only told to shut down their protests but our fight for justice was got the officers killed. We are always in a cant win position because so many in our own party can't understand the indignities we face from law enforcement.
What does her pathetic dog whistle pandering, have to do with her sex ?
Past grievances is the part that gets to me the most. It can easily be interpreted as "racism is over" which fucks over all minorities and makes it seem like there isn't a shit ton of work to be done.
out of anyone running Biden is by far the most likely to say some racist shit but please, keep pushing your agenda
The amount of people ITT that are bending over backwards to defend her comments or to find a way to shrug them off somehow are also disappointing.
Replace Pelosi with someone else and the vast majority of the time this thread would be dragging that person. Progressives....
Replace Pelosi with someone else and the vast majority of the time this thread would be dragging that person. Progressives....
People who say Dems don't care about black people. It's both sides bullshit. Didn't we move past this nonsense? I guess no one ever learns. Get ready for both sides 2020.
How exactly would one convince you that they really care about civil rights?
Edit: okay, I saw your post. Your position is that it's literally impossible to care about civil rights while criticizing Democrats? I can think of a lot of activists who would be surprised to learn this.
Absolutely but people won't care. I mean the man is stupid racist trash and yet Obama had him as VP. Something Obama should really have to answer for. I don't think there's anyone who wants Biden to run less than Obama right now.
I think it is absolutely wrong that people are using other minorities as a tool to bring down the overall movement of equality or downplay anything. I do think there are a lot of people who don't care about Black issue, I do care, I just am saying it would be nice if everyone was equal, why is that a bad thing to say? Why can't Chinese, Middle Eastern, Indian, Hispanic people be all treated the same?
I don't think I am fighting against anyone else's rights, I just don't think it's fair that one race gets equal treatment at a time.
I didn't misinterprete the overall message, just didn't like how the OP stated his case about other minorities.
What the fuck are you talking about? What bait? You recognize my username for what? I generally stay out of these topics and have posted in a topic similar to this maybe once. Why come in here and attack others, I am having a conversation, not talking down to people. What the fuck does Blue Lives Matter have to do with having all minorities be treated as equals? I am not downplaying the struggle of any race or minority, I just want to see equal representation and treatment for everyone.
Saying Dems don't care about black people isn't criticism. It's 'both sides' nonsense that gets pushed by Russian Troll farms and Kanye West.
How many times are you going to try to derail the conversation? This thread about Pelosi's statement, not the 2020 primary or anything else.
So you're angry that black people aren't carrying water for everyone else?
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Oh this is rich
I vote blue and now I can't even criticize them for what they say after they take office?
Y'all funny, please quit it.
This is kind of what made me even think that it needed to be addressed.
People are using Pelosi's statement to say Dems don't care about black people. Trolls will use this meme to suppress black turnout in 2020. This happened in 2016 to Hillary. That's why it's relevant.
Not at all, everyone needs to fight for their rights. I just think it's crazy we live in a world where it feels like each race needs to fight for its rights. Why does it have to be one over the other? Why can't we all have a movement together is what I'm asking I guess.
Nobody's going to base their 2020 presidential vote on what Nancy Pelosi says. They're going to base their votes on what the candidates say and do.
Go start one. Black people started one organically by themselves since they keep 0getimting murdered by cops.
It has nothing to do with "one over the other".
I don't even go to church but goddammit I said Amen.
this dude has the nerve to concern troll about concern trolling while also being a genuine concern troll.
Ideally yes, but black people have a special history of discrimination in this country. In actuality they HAVE to focus on their own advocacy.
People are using Pelosi's statement to say Dems don't care about black people because it's more evidence that Dems don't care about black people.
This happened in 2016 to Hillary because her husband and Joe Biden helped craft one of the most apocalyptically damaging crime bills in the history of the nation and she supported it by calling black children super predators
Democrats don't care about black people, bud
As a black person, did this supposed meme affect you voting for Hilary?
So then you disagree with BLM?
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You're naive as fuck. Pelosi meant what she said, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn't say "progressives" care very much about BLM in general tbh
Pretty much all you can do is continue voting people like AOC (just as an example) in.
Because at the end of the day, non-voting or going full Kayne is still going to hurt POCs way, WAY worse in the long run as opposed to putting up with shit like this that is, admittedly, still bullshit and unfair.
This thread has been a rollercoaster. How the fuck do black people put up with this shit.
It's important to understand this.
From establishment Democrats wringing their hands about BLM to Chapo Trap House's constant minimization of race-related issues, no one really cares about black people except black people.
Democrats and progressives will vote for legislation that helps African Americans and other minorities, but they won't fight for them.
Lmao just had to throw that little jab in there to both sides it huh?
Exactly. It's useless to catastrophize Dems losing in 2020 because some people dislike what Pelosi said in early 2019. Unless they just wanna use that to prop up ill-conceived arguments why Pelosi's statements are untouchable and should never be criticized.
Imagine thinking that's why people aren't bothered by her remarks lmao.
Nothing about what the OP says is "woke". It's patronising. "SAYING YOU WANT MORE BLACK PEOPLE IN CONGRESS TO INFLUENCE POLICY IS SECRETLY RACIST LUL ULULULUL".
Give me a break.
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