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Actually.... What Pelosi said wasn't acceptable. Here's why you missed it...
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Era for the past few months: "STOP CALLING NANCY PELOSI A CENTRIST SHILL"
Nancy Pelosi: "all lives matter"
Nancy Pelosi: "all lives matter"
Sometimes it's a dogwhistle. Sometimes somebody is just an idiot about it. I'm going to be charitable in this case and say she's just being an idiot. That's still pretty damning, but on a different level. In the end for me, whether or not I write someone off completely boils down to intent.
She should do her best to unite the entirety of the left and make sure that conservatives don't get a chance to attack. The disingenuous baiting is completely unnecessary.
Ok so you are explicitly saying she is speaking to conservatives. When conservatives say all lives matter, do you seriously believe they don't want black people to get murdered by police at the rates they do now?
It's subtle, but it's something people don't get. All lives should matter, but black lives matter less when it comes to public criticism/internal discipline/legal consequence police face when there is an officer involved shooting. So it's more like saying, "hey, black lives matter, too." When you say "of course all lives matter" you're ignoring that black lives have mattered less for a real long time and kinda brushing away peoples concerns as being over blown. Imagine every time you spoke to someone and said, "I have a question, I have a complaint" and they shot back "hey, we've all got questions, we all have complaints." It's not constructive and it only serves to belittle someone.
It never ceases to amaze me that some people can take the notion that certain groups of people are oppressed in ways that other people aren't as a personal attack. It's such a bizarre form of selfishness.
This is Nancy Pelosi we're talking about. She's not an amateur. She's not Trump adlibbing because she can't read a teleprompter. She's being extremely fucking precise with what she's saying. It's disingenuous to say this isn't being worded a specific way for a specific reason. I'm sure you could guess why.
I've always thought this is pretty simple, based purely on the statistics: all lives should matter, and they should matter equally... But, they don't. Some lives are more valuable in the USA. That needs to be corrected, not by reducing the value placed on wealthy white people, but by bringing the value placed on everyone else up to that level. Easier said than done, of course. So, BLM doesn't mean only BLM, it means "hey, FYI, the lives of black people matter, too!"
Good OP, btw.
Good OP, btw.
User Banned (Permanent): Sexism; History of Severe Infractions
She's a 80 year old white politician with plenty of plastic surgery done. She lives in a completely different reality. A fair and important question but, anybody could see the answer come a mile away.
Mainstream Democrats are, and have always been, shit on racial issues. That's probably not going to change until what a mainstream Democrat is changes.
No, Im not.
Yes I've said it several times.
She completely fucked up uniting the entirety of the left, because a whole bunch of the left are black people. Arguably all the effective ones! If that's really your benchmark, shouldn't you be upset with her?
Again, it's funny how noone has a problem understanding what "* lives matter" means unless it's about black people.
You shouldn't, and I wish there were other options for you, but... There isn't? Don't vote, don't be a democrat, push for another party. I wish you all the best, as I am merely an outside looking in on your country and I wish you could do something else, but looking in? There doesn't appear to be. It's a terrible, horrible thing.
I agree. Abadoning the status quo and pushing for change is the only way to get something better, but, the problem is, you're currently being ruled by a monster, a monster that will move 50-60% of the population against you. He won't go anywhere unless you manage to force him out, and make changes that acknowledge your humanity. This is a long war, a long fight and one that I would sincerely hope you win, but killing your biggest advocates, even if misguided, is not going to help...
It was a garbage statement that further normalized a directly racist dog whistle and she didn't have to do it.
She needs to appeal to radicalized wound up racist blue collar people and police unions in order to have the numbers to address a razor thin gerrymandered horror show.
Both things are true as depressing as it is.
And expect it to happen again and again and yes it sucks.
She needs to appeal to radicalized wound up racist blue collar people and police unions in order to have the numbers to address a razor thin gerrymandered horror show.
Both things are true as depressing as it is.
And expect it to happen again and again and yes it sucks.
Ugh the video was painful to watch. The poor girls expression, the "ALM" and throwing all other groups in there... smh.
No and I'm rather confused at the outrage. To me this seems like Kanye level tin foilery.
I saw this question and answer live and literally cringed. What people also don't mention is that she launched right back into "all lives matter" type rhetoric to conclude her comments with things like "we also need to focus on women, immigrants, other communities".
I was pretty shocked to see people in the other thread dismiss it away. It was a terrible response. She can use some of the criticism as an opportunity to actually listen to members of BLM and make changes in both her rhetoric and policy to address the many issues being raised within the black community.
But the would take a political risk that she's clearly not willing to take, otherwise her answer would have been a hard yes with actual content to back it up.
I was pretty shocked to see people in the other thread dismiss it away. It was a terrible response. She can use some of the criticism as an opportunity to actually listen to members of BLM and make changes in both her rhetoric and policy to address the many issues being raised within the black community.
But the would take a political risk that she's clearly not willing to take, otherwise her answer would have been a hard yes with actual content to back it up.
Yup. Ain't no argument from me. Its shitty plain and simple. The irony here is its always black folks that get out and vote and put these people in office. If it weren't for the black vote Democrats would have a MUCH harder time winning fucking anything.
I'm still rooting for her speakership, but I hope we can move onto someone less old and out of touch in 2020. She's too prone to shit like this.
weak. it's sad that even a supportive response needs to have a performative 'no worries white people - we still support you too' attached to it because dealing with minority issues alone is too """divisive""".
Her old person brain obviously went immediately to an image of a white boomer sitting in front their TV fuming at the idea of her voicing support for a movement that white people are not included in. It's the same bullshit ingrained thinking that makes Bernie say diet racist shit on occasion.
This is legitimately not just bullshit but ignorant bullshit.
The number one danger to people of color in America isn't Trump himself. It's the potential shift in the Overton window that Trump represents. My biggest fear is not what Trump will do, it's the possibility that the Democrats will respond by also normalizing and accepting white supremacy -- because that's what will really make it conventional.
So holding progressives responsible is a major aspect of protecting people of color in America. The willingness of lots of people to just not do that because they trust that Nancy really means well is legitimately upsetting. And if Nancy Pelosi doesn't understand why "all lives matter" is a dumb thing to say she is not in any sense our "biggest advocate."
So...do you not give a shit about uniting the left, then? I'm confused as to your position here. You said that's something you want her to do, but in practice, it seems like you just want the left to shut up.
"All Lives Matter" is such bullshit and needs to be called out. It would be NICE if all lives matter, BUT, All Lives DON'T Matter UNTIL Black Lives DO Matter! That's the point. Some White folk (Republicans AND Democrats) act like "Black Lives Matter" means "ONLY Black Lives Matter", and get offended at BLM as it was such. They are also injecting their own worth into the equation, when nobody is debating if Whites Matter. Whites matter by default because THAT is how imbalanced our society is regarding race and oppression. That some get to matter, simply by being "born to matter" while others have to fight for the right to matter, fight for the right to exist on the same level as everybody else.
This is pure bullshit. The fact that you go in this direction in regards to someone disenchanted with the Democratic Party is gross.
Really? I'm glad someone's allowed to point it out without getting ripped apart by YASS QUEEN GAWD SLAY fans accusing you of not being progressive against their All Lives Matter progessive GAWD QUEEN.
As the OP noted, it's not just that she invoked "all lives matter" in a question about supporting black lives matter, but her explanation also invoked that they need to address "past grievances." Taken together, this is a pretty blatant disregard of what BLM actually is, a cry out against systemic racial injustice that currently exists, and signals that she doesn't actually support it. You can't choose the words she chose and still maintain that she supports BLM in any meaningful way. She only supports saying the phrase black lives matter in conjunction with talking about all lives.
All lives matter is a dog whistle until the white liberals use it then its "a peaceful way to tie both movements together".
I keep telling people the black race has no ally in America.
No, she doesn't! We just won a landslide premised on this question! You know better than this!
Yeah she spit out a WHOLE mouthful of words on something you would think would be an easy softball question.
Do you support BLM?
Yes.
Just an unequivocal 'yes' is all that she needed to say. The fact she had to throw in an all lives matter in her clarifying statement is just utterly disappointing. Why is this so difficult for politicians? Hope she has people around her and colleagues who will school her ass in private on this so she understands why her answer was so harmful.
Do you support BLM?
Yes.
Just an unequivocal 'yes' is all that she needed to say. The fact she had to throw in an all lives matter in her clarifying statement is just utterly disappointing. Why is this so difficult for politicians? Hope she has people around her and colleagues who will school her ass in private on this so she understands why her answer was so harmful.
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Blame conservatives. I have no idea why people get mad that she has to preempt attacks from the right. Its easy to just say outrage culture but something seems to seriously be wrong with people.
Saying BLM for a lot of politicians is like saying socialism or health care. Like, they know what these things are, but to explain, "hey police, fire, libraries etc. are socialised," or "we have health care for seniors, for military (in theory)," it's like to speak an extra sentence to explain any context and people are out to fucking lunch. I swear, calling it "global warming" set back environmentalism a century. Even after the switch to "climate change" there are still mother-fucking elected elderly men bringing snowballs into congress saying "where's global warming?!"
There's a certain percentage of Americans who hear "black lives matter" and their brains just shut off, "hey, I'm not black -does my life matter?" It's so stupid and frustrating.
There's a certain percentage of Americans who hear "black lives matter" and their brains just shut off, "hey, I'm not black -does my life matter?" It's so stupid and frustrating.
From a pure branding standpoint, the movement may have been better served having been called "Black Lives Matter Too" because "All Lives Matter" was always the logical response. I get that ALM is used by racists to counter BLM but all lives do matter and having to always explain "yes, but" isn't helping (if you're explaining you're losing etc).
Man, I dunno. "All Lives Matter" in itself is everything you paint it to be, but in the context of what she said, it came off as an acknowledgement that this country has failed to include black lives as a part of that "all" and that that needs to be changed. She certainly could have phrased it better, especially with how loaded a term like ALM is. In any case, it's been like 48 hours since the democrats took the house; we shouldn't be this eager to eat one another already.
Because you tout the false notion that BLM means black lives first or black supremacy or some other bullshit when it actually just means that black lives and issues matter too. Placing a spotlight on black issues doesn't stop Asian Americans, for example, from pushing their agenda forward either. And you hide behind the 'other minorities' argument which is sad cause you and other PoC who believe that shit are just falling for conservative tactics to divide and pit races against each other. When in reality we should build each other up and work together to actually build a better society. Hope this helps your confusion.
You don't actually have to explain it because it's super obvious to everybody except people who want to pretend to be stupid to cover up their racism
I didn't. I've said many times that this is a conservative talking point but its a common talking point non the less and pretending it isn't for the sake of outrage helps no one but conservatives.
Especially considering that Conservatives attack her for just breathing. Of all the people who shouldn't give two fucks what Conservative do, it's Nancy Pelosi. Shame she made a statement like this. She needs to respond by unequivocally stating Black Lives Matter with no strings attached.
You must have a very specific reason then to keep peddling this as a reasonable stance to take when it isn't.
By saying all lives matters, she is telling conservative people that their agenda to keep on murdering black folk disproportionately is going to be tolerated. Enabling an imbalance within the justice system is terrible position to take.
By saying all lives matter, she is telling white democrats it's ok to put off taking this judicial imbalance seriously. The democrats has racists in the party but the majority isn't tolerant of racist ideology. But as long as the leadership continues to not address it they won't have any guidance on how to deal with this problem collectively as a group.
And fuck those people. I'm as white as can be and I can tell the difference. She just became speaker. Speak the FUCK up.
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